mavericktangoII Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 If you want to do a North /South or East / West set-up in a division, how do you set up the boundries? By using Latitude / Longtitudue or by selecting cities near the divide - the editor doesnt give you much help on this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Go to the specific league you want to set a boundary for. You can select then up to four 'cities' that will act as the boundaries (north, south, east and/or west). Make sure you choose cities that have longitudes and latitudes set, or that you enter these values if they are missing! You can also add new cities if necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stclem Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 have you tested it amd got it to work? I cant get it to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Works fine in my file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stclem Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi, have 8 subdiv. Have boundries in one of them. Do i need to set bounderis in all the 8 div to get this to work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomDixon77 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 What happens if a division doesn't have enough teams (due to promotion and relegation) inside its boundaries? Does it take teams from other divisions on the same level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 It will do aye - it will redistribute teams as needed to keep the same number of teams in each division. To this end, I usually set the areas a little larger and allow for a little overlap, to give it more chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Didn't do anything with boundaries when I created leagues down to level 8, were the boundaries already in the editor for the northern/isthmian/southern leagues or am I going to get teams randomly put in any division, because if that's the case I may have to start my save again to edit in the boundaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I wonder if step 3 boundaries are hard coded into the game (as it appears step 2 is)? Would be great if we could get some confirmation from SI, as adding step 3 will be the most common edit made with the new competitions editor. Regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stclem Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi, downloaded your (Super Bladesman) files and looked to it. Have done the same thing ass you, but still dont work in my game. One thought than, what happens if some teams dosnt have stadium, then they havent cities, and then the team has none longitudes and latitudes set? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I wonder if step 3 boundaries are hard coded into the game (as it appears step 2 is)?Would be great if we could get some confirmation from SI, as adding step 3 will be the most common edit made with the new competitions editor. Regards, C. Just enquired for you and no they're not, so you will need to add them yourself. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Just enquired for you and no they're not, so you will need to add them yourself.Cheers. Thanks very much for the quick response Stu. Do boundaries need to be set for Step 2 (Conf N/S) as well then (as they are not set in the editor)? Many thanks, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Oh well, will have start my save again now and do these boundaries, no wonder Bishop Auckland were promoted into the ryman league lol. And if anyone needs help with boundaries, have a look at this site http://www.mikeavery.co.uk/index.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Another thing I'm interested in with the boundaries is how clearly you can define them without running into problems. In other words, do you need to set a large amount of overlap? For instance, if I defined the boundary between the Southern and Isthmian leagues as, say, Watford for both leagues (east and west setting respectively) would there be any issues in terms of organising the clubs into leagues? Would I perhaps need to use an overlap between the two leagues? Or will the game basically use the boundaries as a guide and 'try its best' within the set boundaries. Hope that makes sense. Grateful for any clarification. Regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Thanks very much for the quick response Stu. Do boundaries need to be set for Step 2 (Conf N/S) as well then (as they are not set in the editor)? Many thanks, C. I'm pretty sure they should work anyway, but it can't hurt adding them in anyway. Another thing I'm interested in with the boundaries is how clearly you can define them without running into problems. In other words, do you need to set a large amount of overlap?For instance, if I defined the boundary between the Southern and Isthmian leagues as, say, Watford for both leagues (east and west setting respectively) would there be any issues in terms of organising the clubs into leagues? Would I perhaps need to use an overlap between the two leagues? Or will the game basically use the boundaries as a guide and 'try its best' within the set boundaries. Hope that makes sense. Grateful for any clarification. Regards, C. I think it uses the 'best fit', but maybe adding the Ryman boundry as Reading for example wouldn't hurt. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoham Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Another thing I'm interested in with the boundaries is how clearly you can define them without running into problems. In other words, do you need to set a large amount of overlap?For instance, if I defined the boundary between the Southern and Isthmian leagues as, say, Watford for both leagues (east and west setting respectively) would there be any issues in terms of organising the clubs into leagues? Would I perhaps need to use an overlap between the two leagues? Or will the game basically use the boundaries as a guide and 'try its best' within the set boundaries. Hope that makes sense. Grateful for any clarification. Regards, C. Not sure anyone really knows at the moment, I think the game will try it's best with the boundaries you set. I'd imagine they are guidelines rather than rules. Would be interesting to find out what happens if boundaries are too small, or several boundaries are very close together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Stu, many thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions. Really very much appreciated. Perhaps one of the Editors Hideaway mods could add these questions and answers about boundaries to the FAQs. As most people will probably be adding step 3, I think it would be worth making some suggestions as well in order to ensure people can create realistic representations of the leagues at this level. Otherwise, it will only cause heartbreak when someone complains that they've played for three or four seasons and suddenly found that Boreham Wood have been moved to the Northern Premier. Regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 So I presume if its lets say the unibond prem, I only need to put in the south boundary as the others are irrelavant and I can leave the other boundaries blank, yes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 That's my understanding too Ollyh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Actually if I were you I'd add them all in, just to be on the safe side. A little bit of time might stop a lot of pain later, as I did have a previous case where I ended up with a load of North East clubs in the Isthmian league due to not filling out the boundries. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ok cheers, its already proving to be pretty difficult though, overlapping teams in the current divs don't help and not too sure what I'm going to do with the Southern Premier's South boundaries either. Ryman North and south are proving to be particularly difficult as well, there's just so many teams in and around Greater London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Thanks again Stu. For anyone interested in setting boundaries for English leagues themselves, these links should help: http://www.mikeavery.co.uk/Steps3%204.htm - this page gives you current boundaries based on teams in the leagues. http://www.thepyramid.info/sections/N.htm - while this page gives you a rough geographical coverage. C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ok cheers, its already proving to be pretty difficult though, overlapping teams in the current divs don't help and not too sure what I'm going to do with the Southern Premier's South boundaries either. Try looking at the links I posted above. Also you could try downloading SuperBladesman's working and checking his boundary settings. C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stclem Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 now when i have boundries on all the 8 subdivisions it works. (or at least almost) Some strange teams in wrong divisions when its not enogh teams, but thats ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Crouchaldinho - I need to do some work whilst at work today If you mail me a FAQ and answer for the sticky, I'll get it added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 now when i have boundries on all the 8 subdivisions it works. (or at least almost) Some strange teams in wrong divisions when its not enogh teams, but thats ok. Not that strange though are they? Not like Bishop Auckland (Durham) in the ryman league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Nik, I just tried to write it out and explain it but I'm afraid that my explanation isn't very lucid. It has come out as gobbledegook! I'll ask Jammy (Arsenal_2111) if he will add it to his guide, as his explanation might be clearer than mine. He is very good at writing guides and FAQs etc. so he might be able to help. Good luck getting on with your work. C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stclem Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Not that strange though are they? Not like Bishop Auckland (Durham) in the ryman league. im from norway, dont know much about the english league belov 7.tier. Using this to make the lover divisions in norway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Nik, I just tried to write it out and explain it but I'm afraid that my explanation isn't very lucid. It has come out as gobbledegook! I'll ask Jammy (Arsenal_2111) if he will add it to his guide, as his explanation might be clearer than mine. He is very good at writing guides and FAQs etc. so he might be able to help. Good luck getting on with your work. C. haha, same here right now I fear - that's why I asked you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Damn, simulated a season after implementing realistic borders and the game seems to have f***** up on the teams coming up from level 9. Penrith, 2 Billingham clubs and Newcastle Benfield have all been placed in the Ryman south, when last I looked they're all about 300 miles north of the north mid London border I put in. I know it's not exactly a gamebreaker but I'd obviously like the game to be as realistic as possible, anyone got any ideas what I should do? Edit: And every team from level 9 which is non-active is from Northern D1, all the teams that were relegated to step 9 have been put in that in that league as well, so now there are 9 teams from Durham in the ryman south, its bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Olly, not sure how to help. Try downloading Nik's file and check his boundary settings, that's all I can advise. C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
68_Grandad_99 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 How would you set them in America? For a regional league in the east would you set the boundries to the west?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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