FM10 New Tactic: The Return of Typhon

FM10 New Tactic: The Return of Typhon

Some of you may know of the Typhon tactic from FM09, Some of you may even have used it, and some of you will know doubt have no idea what on earth I am going on about,

Typhon was a 442/424 based tactic that I developed with great success (Although that may be a somewhat biased view) on FM09, it worked at all levels and produced fast, free flowing football that was a joy to watch.

Feedback and Discussion on the original tactic can be found here (if anyone is interested in the origins and past history/success of the tactic)

Since the launch of FM10 I have been trying, and Failing to recreate this tactic and the free flowing football I enjoyed so much on FM09,

Failing that is, Until Now!!!!!

I have so far only tested this tactic on 10.2 with my Long Term Spurs Save, I have just completed season 2013/14,

The results I have seen this season have been awesome, A clean sweep of all trophies, Football from the top drawer and for the first time in what seems like forever (well since FM09 was carefully placed back in its box), I was Loving FM again.

Screen Shots – Fixtures, Tables, Player Ratings & Some Match Stats

(I have been having a few issues getting the Thumbnails to work so apologies but please click on the links for info around results, league tables etc, I will update to thumbnails as and when i can)

League Table

Achievements

Team Stats

Fixtures 1, Fixtures 2, Fixtures 3

Some Results

FA Cup Final v’s Man City

Champions League Final v’s FC Bayern

League Cup Final v’s Sunderland

The Humiliations of Man Utd – 4 -1, 5 – 1, 4 – 0

Champions League Semi-Final v’s Barcelona

Premier league v’s Middlesbrough

This Tactic will have your forwards banging in the goals from all angles; my front two had the time of their lives feeding off the supply they received from the rest of the team.

Between them they helped themselves to 104 goals and 52 Assists, Dzeko with 42 in 55 games plus 26 assists and Sobis with 62 in 66 plus 26 assists, which is a phenomenal return from 2 players.

It also saw the team score 4 or more goals on 17 occasions through the season

This Tactic will not however make you unbeatable, defeats come with the territory and often arrive when they are least expected, as I found to my cost Away at Stoke and Everton

And whilst it is a free flowing tactic, I have been trying to shore up at the back as well, however this has seemed to be a difficult balance to strike, I have tried to Implement the principles of the NIKE Defence (Courtesy of Justified’s Park The Tank Thread) into the tactic with varying success, ranging from conceding only 2 goals in around 17 games, but that being quickly followed by conceding 14 in the next 10, so any help or feedback on the defensive set up that could help to improve it would be useful.

My Spurs Team in 2013/14 is pretty strong and therefore I am not sure how this tactic would fair with lower/mid table teams, although I am going to do some testing and maybe tweak a version for lower league if necessary, but any feedback on this point would be very useful and gratefully received.

On FM09 Typhon was one single tactic to be used in all situations, FM10 seems to be a little more complex so I have developed 2 variations.

They are in essence the same tactic but one has had minor tweaks to make it a little more solid.

The two Tactics

Typhon – Home

And

Typhon – Away

A link for Both is Available at the end of this Post

I hope that my Strategy is clear from the tactic names, and it is a fairly straight forward one, I use the Home formation at Home until I need to close out the game and then I switch to the Away version and vice versa for away games, I use the Away tactic to begin with and change to the Home version if I have to chase a goal

The only in game tweak to tactics that I ever make is in the away version, you need to make sure that your 2 DM/CM’s are in contact with the opposition DM/CM’s, you can usually tell if this is the case by the possession, if the 2 DM’s are in the right place you should be bossing possession at around the 58-60% level, if your DM/CM’s are not in contact with their opposite numbers then you could be on the opposite end of the possession stats, the only tweak here is to push them from the DM position to the MC position and add a Barrow to both, you should quickly see the possession turn in your favour.

Player Types

Usually I would describe the types of players etc, but I think that this time it easier to show you the players I am using and you can use those as a template, The player types required here are the exact same as for the FM09 version of the tactic and I will paste those details below the player list (I Will Update the Player Links ASAP)

GK – Gomes

DR – Vedran Corluka

DL – Gareth Bale

DC® – Nicolas Otamendi (Cover)

DC(L) – Mamadou Sakho (Stopper)

MC ® – Luka Modric

MC (L) – Wilson Palacios

AMR – Mo Van Duijvenbode

AML – Mathias Defederico

"]FC ® – Edin Dzeko [/url]

FC (L) – Rafael Sobis

Player Types/Attributes

GK - A decent sweeper keeper will be fine,

DR/L - More Wingbacks than Full Backs, Need good Dribbling and Crossing, good Stamina and Work Rate alongside your normal defensive qualities.

DC - Nothing Spectacular here, just good solid defense (One Stopper, One Cover)

MCL - The more defensive of the 2 MC's still gets forward at times but more of a DM,

MCR - More attacking, needs to be creative and have a good engine to get up and down the pitch, good long shots would be a bonus, Top Passing is a must.

AMR/L - Wingers, but they dont cross much, they run with the ball and cut in alot causing havoc in the defense,

FCR - The stronger of the 2 FC's, drops deeper to pick up the ball and feed your pacey striker.

FCL - Plays high up the pitch and runs at the defense alot, your main goal threat,

Team Talks

I have stuck with the same team talk pattern as FM09 and it has served me pretty well, my only tweak to this would be to ensure you praise, praise and praise again in the beginning to get the morale up to Superb/Very Good and then use the template below to maintain the morale.

Kick Off

Home(fav) Nothing,

Home (u/d) - You Can Win,

Away (fav) Nothing,

Away (u/d) Wish Luck

Half Time

Winning - Nothing,

Drawing/Losing by 1 - Disappointed, I want to See More, Wheres the passion etc

Losing by 2 or more - Angry, We Must Get a Result, Letting the Team Down

Full Time (Regardless of Result)

8+ - Delighted

6.5 - 7.9 - Pleased, Well Done

6.0 - 6.5 - Disappointed

< 6 - Angry

I Do Not Use any OI’s at ALL, I find that they often counter act the tactic and make it function less effectively

For corners, Use your best right footer from the right and your best left footer from the left,

Yes we are aiming for out swingers; contrary to previous versions and the consensus that suggests in swing is the way forward.

For Free Kicks, Just use your best Free Kick specialist, footedness is not an issue here

Tactic Link For the Two Tactics is Below

Home – FileFront

Home - Rapid Share

Home - Send Space

Away – File Front

Away - Rapid Share

Away - Send Space

Please Try it out and let me know how you go, I hope it Gives you as much Success as I have had, However i can not promise anything as this forum is littered with Tactics that have done well for the creator but have not translated to other users and teams,

Any feedback very, very welcome

Nice post

Thanks Cleon, Had great success on FM09 with this and have really struggled to get it working again on FM10, but i think its just about there, Made a big difference switching to the classic system of Sliders to really get it going

I like the layout of the tactics. I'm now going to give it a try with my newly promoted Norwich team in the premiership. This should test it....

I like the layout of the tactics. I'm now going to give it a try with my newly promoted Norwich team in the premiership. This should test it....

It will certainly see how it fares at a lower level, i would maybe suggest using the away tactic a little more when underdogs as you will most likely be, may make it that bit more solid as the home tactic is quite open and attacking so may come a little unstuck against the really top teams

But will be really interested to see how you go, so keep the post updated with your progress good or bad

I shall try this in the morning and see how it goes. Have a good squad based around width so would like a tactic that allows me to play my wing backs and wingers.Will get back to you tomorrow some time with a few screen shots.

OK well 1st game with this tactic was against man city away. I used the away tactic and I lost 4-1 BUT dominated possession 60-40 atleast! They had 14 shots while we had 9 shots so it was fairly close. I think the difference was that their strikers were clinical in front of goal. I'l keep you updated over the next couple of days as I think I will fair better when the players are use to the tactic.

Very nice post indeed. Glad to see you around again.

Going to give this a go when I'm in the PL with leeds.

OK well 1st game with this tactic was against man city away. I used the away tactic and I lost 4-1 BUT dominated possession 60-40 atleast! They had 14 shots while we had 9 shots so it was fairly close. I think the difference was that their strikers were clinical in front of goal. I'l keep you updated over the next couple of days as I think I will fair better when the players are use to the tactic.

Sounds as though the difference was definately the finishing, and as i said i have not tested this with lower teams, but what i would say is that if you were able to dominate a team like Man City in Possession then it should give you a really good chance against some of the not so good teams in the division, did you watch the full highlights? how did you concede the goals? were they counter attacks or did they just play through you?

Going to try it with man united for fun...

new signings,

* Veloso

* Cardozo

* Delpierre

* Zapata

haha

Going to try it with man united for fun...

new signings,

* Veloso

* Cardozo

* Delpierre

* Zapata

haha

In which season are you? Please post yur results with Man Utd.

Thanks.

Great OP; This is my current favourite formation, ad I have been struggling to create my own tactic (as always, to be honest). Had a good run with Mr H's tactics on 10.1, but can't seem to get them to gel now, so very keen to try this bad boy out.

Thanks

Great OP well done.

I will test and provide feedback mate. Cheers

When I'm at home I give it a try with NEC (dutch premier division, average team)

It's look like a very solid plug and play tactic

Ok PV Entress. 1st goal was from a free kick on the edge of the area. 2nd goal was a long range effort. 3rd was a swift attack down their right hand side finished with a low cross and Adebayor finishing. 4th was them just playing around my DMF's and CD's and finishing a rebounded shot. My goal was a schorcher from the corner of the box. My thinking is they have so much creativity going forward, any team is going to struggle with man city's players. Anyway I'l carry on with this tactic and get back to you.

I shall try this in the morning and see how it goes. Have a good squad based around width so would like a tactic that allows me to play my wing backs and wingers.Will get back to you tomorrow some time with a few screen shots.

Great will be really good to get some feedback as to how it works for others, Hope its succesful for you

Very nice post indeed. Glad to see you around again.

Going to give this a go when I'm in the PL with leeds.

Thanks,

Really wanted to post it earlier, but it just was not ready, Hopw it works for you,

Make sure you keep the thread updated with any feedback

Great OP; This is my current favourite formation, ad I have been struggling to create my own tactic (as always, to be honest). Had a good run with Mr H's tactics on 10.1, but can't seem to get them to gel now, so very keen to try this bad boy out.

Thanks

I love this formation and very rarely play anything else to be honest,

Can be tricky to get working, especially in defence with the AMR and AML pushed so far forward

Let me know how you go with it

Great OP well done.

I will test and provide feedback mate. Cheers

Great, any feedback welcome

Filefront seems to be down at the moment. Any chance of hosting the files somewhere else please?

Ok PV Entress. 1st goal was from a free kick on the edge of the area. 2nd goal was a long range effort. 3rd was a swift attack down their right hand side finished with a low cross and Adebayor finishing. 4th was them just playing around my DMF's and CD's and finishing a rebounded shot. My goal was a schorcher from the corner of the box. My thinking is they have so much creativity going forward, any team is going to struggle with man city's players. Anyway I'l carry on with this tactic and get back to you.

I think you are probably right with the creative freedom, one other option to try which i have been thinking about is that the back four are all on Tight Zonal marking, One set up i had thought of using for a lower team was to switch this to Tight Man Marking for the DR, DL & DCL and Loose Man Marking for the DCR, maybe worth a try if you are finding the defense is not working as i think Zonal across the board needs top class players, but thats only my opinion, i have not tested it as yet

I love this formation and very rarely play anything else to be honest,

Can be tricky to get working, especially in defence with the AMR and AML pushed so far forward

Let me know how you go with it

How do you compensate for that. Or how do you cope against teams who control the ball in the middle of the pitch and then switch it out wide and break against you that way? Do you find the AMR/AML track back enough?

Filefront seems to be down at the moment. Any chance of hosting the files somewhere else please?

OP Updated with a Rapid Share Link for Both but is limited to 10 Downloads, any other suggestions while File Front is down?

OP Updated with a Rapid Share Link for Both but is limited to 10 Downloads, any other suggestions while File Front is down?

Thanks for that although RS says their servers are full at the moment so will try downloading it again in a bit. Another site is http://www.sendspace.com/

How do you compensate for that. Or how do you cope against teams who control the ball in the middle of the pitch and then switch it out wide and break against you that way? Do you find the AMR/AML track back enough?

To be Honest Cleon, I am not sure if i have totally managed to compensate for it as yet,

My Current Plans in this tactic have been to keep the AMR/L hugging the touch line to keep them out wide and in touch with the opposition FB's, but i have given them a High level of Closing Down, 1st Notch of Whole Pitch, This tends to bring them back the majority of the time, but often only if the attack starts from near their position,

The other tack i have taken is to work on the FB's as they to are relatively attacking, however i have them also hugging the touchline with Tight Zonal Marking to keep them in contact with the wingers, but i have limited their closing down to the lower end of Own Half.

My theory has been to try and keep the back four in shape to try and force the opposition to pass through us and shutting down the balls down the flank and so slowing down any quick attacks to allow my AMR/L to amble their way back.

The More defensive of the 2 MC's also covers alot of ground due to high closing down and because of this he covers the flanks when gaps appear, but this has on occasion left the other more attacking MC 1 v 2 in the Centre but this is a balance i am prepeared to strike for the way the tactic plays and the quick incisive breaks that can be sprung by having often 4 players ahead of the play

Would you have any Suggestions/Tips to counter this issue?

Have you tried man marking? It helps bring the wingers back to help with defensive duties.

Have you tried man marking? It helps bring the wingers back to help with defensive duties.

To be Honest that is one thing i have not really tried with them, i always felt that this would put them to close to opposition full backs when recieving the ball and therefore shutting down their options and making them easier to pick up,

But i guess if it was Loose Man Marking this may not be a problem

May well be worth a quick test

Thanks for that although RS says their servers are full at the moment so will try downloading it again in a bit. Another site is http://www.sendspace.com/

OP Now also updated with Send Space Link

can you put tac in another server filefront is out of service

can you put tac in another server filefront is out of service

There is a Rapid Share and Send Space Link in the OP as well which should be working!!

when i write it there is no snd space and rapid is premium but now THANKS!!!!!!!

Managed to download both files from send space so thanks for that.

@ciechan78: RS does have a free service but obviously premium members get priority.

Managed to download both files from send space so thanks for that.

@ciechan78: RS does have a free service but obviously premium members get priority.

Great, Let me know how you get on with it

Beautiful Tactic ... Played 6 Won 6 so far , all league games too ..

Best games were both 2-0 wins away at Swansea and Newcastle

Heres the best part , IM BLACKPOOL

Beautiful Tactic ... Played 6 Won 6 so far , all league games too ..

Best games were both 2-0 wins away at Swansea and Newcastle

Heres the best part , IM BLACKPOOL

Great to see it is working at that level, i had hoped it would, but as i said in the OP i have not tested it other than with Strong teams as i just dont have the time,

But keep me posted with your progress, hopefully it continues as its started

oh i am a strong team

Gibson on loan , Amir Zaki and Garner up top ...

still , this is a good solid (BRILLIANT)Championship tactic

oh i am a strong team

Gibson on loan , Amir Zaki and Garner up top ...

still , this is a good solid (BRILLIANT)Championship tactic

Ahh I See

But good to see it works in the Championship and not Just the Premiership,

I am just running a Fun Save with Real Madrid to see how they go with it, I am hoping for some Fireworks

a 'fun' save eh? Basically just win about everything possible?

a 'fun' save eh? Basically just win about everything possible?

If Possible ,

Although i have at least limited myself to no transfers for Season 1, and it will be interesting to see how the 'Galacticos' handle Typhon

Season one, you should win everything .. provided you use the right tactic ;D

Season one, you should win everything .. provided you use the right tactic ;D

I agree, the Tactic is the Key

Although I am not to happy with having to have Drenthe on the Wing

But we shall see

I agree, the Tactic is the Key

Although I am not to happy with having to have Drenthe on the Wing

But we shall see

How is this tactic after the first season, did you find it less effective ? How many seaons have you used the tactic for ?

How is this tactic after the first season, did you find it less effective ? How many seaons have you used the tactic for ?

I have used the tactic in this form for only 1 full season so far,

However i have never subscribed to the view that AI Cracks Tactics, or that they become less effective, Teams just choose to play against you differently as your Reputation Increases or Decreases, exactly the same as in Real Life.

A prime example would be the FA Cup this year, Man Utd played Leeds in a certain way and with a certain team choice based on current reputation, Leeds upped their Game based on Man Utd's reputation plus long standing rivalry, The fact that Leeds beat Man Utd means that i am sure Spurs will now Play a very different way and possibly a very different team against Leeds than had they met them in the 3rd round as Man Utd did, These changes will be based entirely on that game and the change in perception of the Leeds Utd Team, Vice Versa Leeds will now have to up their Game again as Spurs will know what to expect whereas Man Utd went in somewhat blind

Also i think that because there is a slight variation in formation for the Home and Away versions this keeps the AI guessing and therefore unsure as to how to play against you.

Only managed to play 1 game with it so far and that was vs Man City in the Community Shield (I'm Chelsea). Won on penalties due to it being 0-0 after 90 mins. Was a fairly even game, both sides had good opportunities to score. Since it was a neutral stadium, I used the home tactic. I'm currently in the 3rd season and did a mass clear out during the summer period so my players will probably need to "gel" first.

Only managed to play 1 game with it so far and that was vs Man City in the Community Shield (I'm Chelsea). Won on penalties due to it being 0-0 after 90 mins. Was a fairly even game, both sides had good opportunities to score. Since it was a neutral stadium, I used the home tactic. I'm currently in the 3rd season and did a mass clear out during the summer period so my players will probably need to "gel" first.

Not such a bad start then, I also use the home tactic in Neutral venues,

Let me know how you go after a few more games

The File Front Link is now working again for anyone interested in downloading the tactic

Nice tactic. Im #1 in the league at the moment with leeds. Going to post screenshots later.

Regarding your teamtalks template. What do you say to the team when you have a draw?

Best regards.

Nice tactic. Im #1 in the league at the moment with leeds. Going to post screenshots later.

Regarding your teamtalks template. What do you say to the team when you have a draw?

Best regards.

Well if it is a draw at half time it depends if i was fav or u/d at the start, if Fav i would be disappointed/I want to see more from you etc, if i was u/d i would encourage, we can win this etc

At full time i use the template in the OP regardless of the result so doesnt matter if a win a draw or a loss

This tactic is working out for me but during away games, its seems the opposition scores with their first shot in every game. For the previous 1.5 seasons I had used my own tactic and the one shot wonder goals had never occured. Any suggestions for combating this?

I'm having real trouble with the away tactic being an underdog. I've been thrashed 7-1 by Chelsea and 4-1 by Arsenal. Both of which i had more possesion. I've tried them changes you suggested with the man marking for the defence and it seemed to help but not enough.