Jamie543 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Welcome to the West Ham United Thread for Football Manager 2010 History West Ham United Football Club is an English football club based in Upton Park, London Borough of Newham, East London. They have played their home matches at the Boleyn Ground stadium since 1904. The club was founded as Thames Ironworks F.C. in 1895 and was later reformed, in 1900 as West Ham United. They initially competed in the Southern League and Western League before joining the full Football League in 1919 and enjoyed their first top flight season in 1923, featuring in the first FA Cup Final to be held at Wembley that year against Bolton Wanderers. The club have won the FA Cup three times: in 1964, 1975 and 1980. They have also been runners-up twice, in 1923 and 2006. In 1965, they won the European Cup Winners Cup, and in 1999 they won the Intertoto Cup. Their players are considered an important factor behind England's triumph in the 1966 World Cup, as England's captain at the time was West Ham's Bobby Moore, and both goalscorers were West Ham players. They also won the inaugural Football League War Cup in 1940. The club's best final league position is third place in the 1985–86 (old) First Division. West Ham currently compete in the Premier League, and finished in 9th position in the 2008–09 season. They have been members of the Premier League for all but three seasons since its creation in 1992, and their highest finish in the Premier League was 5th in 1998–99. Football Manager Info Nation - England Year Founded - 1895 Status - Professional Reputation - National Chairman Status - Will listen to offers Legends – Geoff Hurst, Martin Peters, Trevor Brooking, Bobby Moore, Billy Bonds Icons – Paolo Di Canio, Julian Dicks, Carlos Tevez, Frank McAvennie, Tony Cottee, Alvin Martin, Rio Ferdinand Favoured Personnel – None Fierce Rivals - Millwall, Tottenham, Chelsea Other Rivals - Arsenal, Man Utd Finances - Secure Average Ticket Price - £48 Average Season Ticket Price - £752 Season Ticket Holders - 26000 Estimated Value - £69m (Loan Debt: £71m) Continental Competition - None Media Prediction - 9th Stadium - Upton Park (London, 34980 all seater) Training Facilities - Good training facilities Youth Facilities - Excellent youth facilities + Youth Academy Expections - Top Half, Continental Qualification, Title Challenge Or Winner Transfer Budget - £0 for Top Half, £0 for Continental Qualification, £0 for Title Challenge, £0 for Winner Wage Budget - £625k for Top Half, £650k for Continental Qualification, £675k for Title Challenge, £700k for Winner (£601,201 being spent) Squad Bold indicates a player is natural in a position Italic indicates a player is capable of playing in a position Red indicates a youth player is natural in a position GK - Robert Green, Peter Kurucz, Marek Stech, Adam Street DR - Jonathan Spector, Julien Faubert, Daniel Gabbidon, Valon Behrami, James Tomkins DL - Herita Ilunga, Fabio Daprela, Manuel da Costa, Matthew Upson DC - Matthew Upson, Daniel Gabbidon, James Tomkins, Manuel da Costa, Calum Davenport, Holmar Eyjolfsson, Jonathan Spector, Herita Ilunga, Radoslav Kovac, DMC - Scott Parker, Radoslav Kovac, Mark Noble, Nigel Quashie, Holmar Eyjolfsson MR - Valon Behrami, Julien Faubert, Jack Collison, Kieron Dyer, Mark Noble, Luis Jimenez, Junior Stanislas ML - Luis Boa Morte, Jack Collison, Kieron Dyer, Valon Behrami MC - Mark Noble, Scott Parker, Kieron Dyer, Nigel Quashie, Jack Collison, Radoslav Kovac, Luis Jimenez, Junior Stanislas AMC - Luis Jimenez, Kieron Dyer, Mark Noble, Alsessandro Diamanti ST - Dean Ashton, Guillhermo Franco, Alsessandro Diamanti, Carlton Cole, Zavon Hines, Frank Nouble West Ham have no money when you start with them and with little chance of any money in January. You will need to sign a backup goal keeper as the current ones are not up to the job i would sign Henk Timmer. You might also want to sign a spare midfielder and striker on a free but remember to only offer these players 1 year contracts. Line Up Robert Green Herita Ilunga Matthew Upson Daniel Gabbidon Julien Faubert Jack Collison Mark Noble Scott Parker Valon Behrami Carlton Cole Guillhermo Franco i would rotate the strikers with Alsessandro Diamanti and Dean Ashton (when and if he gets fit) Additionaly i would train Luis Jimenez to play left midfield and i would try and give Junior Stanislas some games to help him develop Youth West Ham have a few youth players and former youth players who can turn quite well with the right guidance some players to look out for and give games to are: James Tomkins Junior Stanislas Zavon Hines Fabio Daprela Frank Nouble george moncur Conclusion This year looks to be the tougheist for the Hammers with no money and a sale looming over the club how will you do in charge? Good luck to any one taking the challenge come on you IRONS!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laughing Man Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 THe team you start with is decent in some areas, but severely lacking in width/ decent wide players. Diamanti Cole and Ashton are all reasonable striker. Parker + Noble or Collison make a decent midfield ilunga upson tomkins behrami/faubert are a sound defence. behrami is actually a very useful player as he can provide cover in a number of positions. Green is obviously a good goalie, but no real back up. I would highly recommend selling Kieron Dyer - he is old, injury prone and a wast of wages. I would also sell gabbidon, because tomkins is ok and you need cash. I personally also got rid of Spector, Quashie and Kovac (winter transfer break), + a few reserve and youth team players to try and rustle up as much cash as possible. some good players (i signed) to look at include. Sergey krivets - decent on left or right wing - available for ~500k enyeama - decent cover goalie, with good profit making potential cost ~ 250k peter masilela decent DL - with good profit maknig potential. m.haifa ~250k Amr Zaki - cheap quality striker ~1.9mil Stephen Appiah - decent midfielder available on a free - you will be able to sell for a good profit the following summer. You need a left winger, Vicente is normally available from Valencia for under 1 mil, and Juan angel albin is available for around 4mil. I bought Buonanotte for ~ 7mil. Because I had got rid of some wages earners beforehand this was possible with a wage budget adjustment. Luis Jimenez is a good player, though i never found him very effective in the middle. I retrained him to play right wing, and he was effective in a role where i allowed him considerable freedom to cut inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 I have just got up to January on the demo here are the results: I have had a good start after 20 Premier League games im 9th in the league on 30 points with a goal difference of +7 having won 7 games drawing 6 and losing 6 im still in the Carling Cup and the FA cup 3rd round is just starting. I didnt sell any players at the start of the game nore did i brign any 1 in the demo is almost finshed but it has gave me some insight as to what to expect from the full game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kas Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Just finished the demo with west ham, and must say i don't think i have done bad at all considering this is my first go at the demo i stuck with my first set of tactics i made got to 10th after 20 games. Had a poor run towards the end with several key players injured :/ had 8 injuries at one point and quite a few were long term... but still I'm satisfied with 10th. Carlton Cole has been scoring for fun will post a few screenshots of my squad and league tables shortly. On another note only reason I'm playing west ham is because I will be having a network game with a few friends once the full game comes out and we each drew a random team(no big teams allowed), i don't think I've done too bad considering, the others have PSG. Hull City and Doncaster Rovers. Mon the Hammers!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kas Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 Kas how did you bring in the player you have with no money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kas Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Kashow did you bring in the player you have with no money? Sold a couple of players and tweaked the wage budget got dzagoev and Buonanotte on loan for the season. signed Hamann on a free but that was in December for the Jan transfer window. if i recall correctly Quashie went for £1m and Spector went for about £2.1m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laughing Man Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 love the injury list, that is SO West Ham! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwihammer Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Has anybody got a takeover yet? I have been running the demo whilst on holiday, both as West Ham manager and as unemployed. Most of the time someone takes over from the current board (but no one on the board could afford a takeover in IRL!) But last night I got an outside takeover at the end of Oct 2010 with great results: 16 million to upgrade the training facilities seems a bit steep! And a 15million pound transfer budget which I upped to 16million by reducing the wage budget. Apologies for the smallness of the screenshots Note that there is now only a 12 million pound loan. This owner is not Abramovich but it improves West Ham's position from the start! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Kiwihammer lucky you i got an internal takeover and at the end of the demo was £1m from going into the red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laughing Man Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I had a takeover - no new money though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwihammer Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Like I say, I have run the game through the 6 months about 6-7 times. Only once do I get a takeover like this. The rest are internal takeover with no money. On one the same external buyer's name (Geoffrey Robinson) came up but the talks broke down but the WH chairman said he was "still in the background" or words to that effect. So a renewed bid might have happened after the first 6 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kas Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 And a 15million pound transfer budget which I upped to 16million by reducing the wage budget. I so hope this happens on my network game when the full version comes out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Im prob going to sign Sol campbell for backup along with Henk Timmer. I will get rid of Gabbidon who isn't prem quality anymore. Will look to offload Dyer to. Good thread btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kas Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 has anyone managed to get rid of dyer in the demo? no one puts a bid in to buy him :/ best i can get is Sunderland offering 50% wages and 500k upfront and 2.7mil further buy fee for a season loan :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Adam.S i wouldnt get rid of Gabbidon in less you buy any one else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Hammer Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I was going to say Sol Campbell is not as good as gabbidon would be wrong to sell him and campbell does want quite high wages usually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 campbell will take 6k , play deep with him if he does play....gabbidon is to injury prone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 funny that he never got inured on the 6 months demo i had Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Just starting my new West Ham game will post back after the end of the transfer window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Transfers In: Henk Timmer - Free Emil Gargorov - £475k Serginho Greene - Free Transfers Out: Nigel Quashie - £1M Competitions Carling Cup - I have played 2 rounds of the Carling Cup. 2nd round of the Carling Cup i was drawn with MK Dons who i beat 4-0 with Carlton Cole scoring twice with Jack Collison scoring and the final goal came from Julien Faubert. 3rd round of the Carling Cup and im drawn against Swansea who i beat 2-1 with Guillhermo Franco and Jack Collison socring for me and Lee Trundle managed to get 1 back for them Board Take Over The board seem to be selling the club to a Consortium who say they will appoint Alan Shearer as manager if the bid gets accepted im hoping they wont replace me. As a result of this the board have now placed a transfer embargo upon the club Summary I have managed to play 8 Premier League games on FM10 and im currently 11th its been a tough start to the campaign as i have only managed 2 wins 3 draws and 3 lost. During the 1st transfer window i managed to sell Nigel Quashie for £1m to QPR the board left me with 75% of the sale so i purchased Emil Gargorov for £475k he gives me cover on the left and in the centre of midfield. I also signed Henk Timmer for a backup keeper and Serginho Greene as a backup defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 not to bad jamie. I had a good pre season , took the lads to thailand for a team bonding session and played 4 friendlys and also played 2 friendlys behind closed doors against my reserves i did not concede at all in pre season. I did not sell anyone i just bought in Timmer and i resigned Cole to a new deal. First game at home in EPL i drew 3-3 with fulham...zamora with 2 late goals . Got Man U and Everton next it wont be easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggie26 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I'm looking to buy Z.Haines for my team ... is he any good in the game ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yea i had a tough start my first 3 games was against Tottenham, Chelsea and Man City out of those games i manged a draw with Tottenham and lost to Man City and Chelsea. Almost at January i will post an update once i get to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 oggie what team are you playing as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggie26 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Man Utd, I know he is QUALITY in real life ..... also i like West Ham .......... their youth system is England of today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 well Steve Clarke gives him a 2 and a half rating on my game so i dont no if he is rated correctly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggie26 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 well Steve Clarke gives him a 2 and a half rating on my game so i dont no if he is rated correctly Well i will give it a go anyways, I like buying unwanted players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I hate how the reserves and under 18s dont play the team i chose even when selected in team settings as i want the young lads such as nouble to get a decent run. Let us know how you get on Jamie....have you been taken over yet? Im versing man u now..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 January Update Board Take Over The planned board take over collapsed which has left the club on the market hopefully i will get a new owner sometime after january. Competitions: Carling Cup 4th round i was drawn with Newcastle who i beat 2-1 with the goals coming from Jack Collison and Carlton Cole and Andy Carroll getting Newcastles goal Quarter Finals i was up against Blackburn the game finshed 1-1 with Junior Stanislas scoring and Jason Roberts scoring for Blackburn. I won 4-2 on penaltes. Premier League After 21 games im 9th in the league on 27 points 7 wins 6 draws 8 lost Summary I very much dought i will be bringing in any new players this season due to not having new owners. My aim for the rest of this season is to try and stay above 9th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 beat them 3-1 FOREVER BLOWING BUBBLES! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 ha yea i had united was winning 2-0 they came back within 8 mins to finsh 3-2 i was cursing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Thats good Jamie , A top half finish is pretty decent first season out imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Results so far - H - 3-3 Fulham H - 3-1 Man Utd A - 1-1 Everton H - 2-0 Watford (League Cup) A - 1-0 Arsenal Happy so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 takeover collapsed to. Jamie how did Ashton go for you when he returned from injury? Diamante and Cole have been solid for me uptop and i dont have any injurys so his going to struggle to get a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 Diamante cant hit an open goal his been dire 8 games his played 0 goals Cole has scored 24 goals in 28 apps Guillhermo Franco has 10 goals in 20 apps Dean Ashton has 4 goals in 5 apps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedzo Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Decent start for me I've just signed Christian Vieri and Simon Vukcinic cos i've found the current players are really good. Sold Gabbidon and Spector, got a current budget of £4.5M. I could do with defensive cover - ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? Anyways i've made a decent enough start; 1-0 vs Blackburn, 2-2 draw with Liverpool and a 2-2 draw with City. Not bad considering the teams? About to get a new owner, just one of my director so doubt i'll get a money boost. Guillhermo Franco and Carlton Cole have been my best partnership, Zavon Hines is also impressed. Be back soon for updates, any advice tho? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 Jedzo i would sign Serginho Greene - DR - Free Emil Gargorov - ML MC - £475k these 2 have been solid for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam.S Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I find Kovac at DC has done very well. Tomkins does ok but his inconsistant which is understandable considering his age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwihammer Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I've found it hard to sell Dyer, even for 0. However, he did get upset that he was being sold. I took him off the transfer list but he asked to be transfer listed. Still couldn't sell him. Fined him for not turning up to training a couple of times. I asked for a mutual termination and he only asked for 130,000! He said he was happy to leave. So **** him off and he leaves for peanuts and frees up about 3million in transfer fees:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick-roma Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I've found it hard to sell Dyer, even for 0. However, he did get upset that he was being sold. I took him off the transfer list but he asked to be transfer listed. Still couldn't sell him. Fined him for not turning up to training a couple of times.I asked for a mutual termination and he only asked for 130,000! He said he was happy to leave. So **** him off and he leaves for peanuts and frees up about 3million in transfer fees:thup: good job ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedzo Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Cheers Jamie, i'll take a look at them 7th after 8 games, not too bad eh? Struggling to find a good partner for Cole. He's scoring just about every game so i'll keep rotating the others. Listen to this though, 20 mins into the game vs Aston Villa - Upson makes a vicious tackle and gets himself a straight red. But Collison (who's on a yellow card) is not happy! So he races up to the ref and tells him what he thinks, and gets a second bloody yellow! down to 9 men at 1-0 down , i was fuming. Never seen anything like it. Still got a 2-2 draw tho so not too much complaints.. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick-roma Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Struggling to find a good partner for Cole.Cheers Artem Milevsky ---> £8m over 48months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 End Of Season Update Board Take Over The board take over finaly happend wasnt anything that brillant was just an internal promotion from within the new Chairman is called Nicky Ritchie so far he has offerd no money so i dont see how im going to compete. Competitions Carling Cup Semi finals i was up against Middlesbrough 1st leg was played at Upton Park i won 4-1 with Mark noble scorer and Carlton Cole getting a hat trick. David Wheater pulled 1 back for Middlesbrough. 2nd leg at the Riverside i drew 3-3 Carlton Cole Emil Gargorov and Alsessandro Diamanti the goal scorers and for Middlesbrough Josh Walker David Wheater and Leroy Lita. Final score 7-4 on agg The final i was up against Everton who i beat 3-1 Valon Behrami scored twice and Daniel Gabbidon finshed it off the goalscorers for Everton Van Der Vaart. FA Cup 3rd round i was drawn against Port Vale i beat them 4-0 Guillhermo Franco scored twice Leigh Mills scored an own goal and Carlton Cole completed it. 4th round up against Crystal Palace final score was 4-2 to West Ham Carlton Cole Valon Behrami Jack Collison and an own goal by Julian Speroni got our goals. Fred Sears ( yes ironic) and Johan Absalonsen got Palaces. 5th round against Derby i beat them 3-1 Guillhermo Franco scored twice and Mark Noble got our goals. Paul Green pulled 1 back for Derby. 6th round against Southampton final score 2-0 to West Ham Dean Ashton and Daniel Gaddidon got the goals. Semi Finals against Chelsea final score 1-1 West Ham win on penalties Final against Everton West Ham lost 3-0 Premier League The season has finshed and i manged to finsh 9th i qualified for Europe due to my Carling Cup win. I finshed on 65 points. Top goal scorer was Carlton Cole finshing on 37 goals ( in all comps) in 50 apps followed by Dean Ashton on 14 goals in 22 apps. Summary I am happy with my 1st season in charge of West Ham i am hoping to build on this year im going to try and trim the wages down a tad as im a bit over at the moment. The board for some reason are adding more seats which is going to cost a heafty £7M which im not to happy about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbers Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Sell Spector for 3.8mil (Sunderland) and Stanislas for 5.2mil (Man City, 4.3 up front with clauses), get rid of Quashie. Bought in Ronaldo from Corinthians for 2 mil over 48 months (the length of his contract) and Van der Vart (loan) from Real for 1.3 up front and future fee of 7 Mill but did this towards the end of the transfer window as every one else seems to have been done spending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Season 2010/2011 September Update Season Expectations I again selected a Top Half Finsh this gave me a transfer budget of £10M and a wage budget of £652,398k. Shortly after the board gave me my budget the ground upgrade was completed its now a 39980 all seater. My season tickets sales finshed at £21,269,710 up by almost £3M from the previous year The board aso increaed my transfer budget by an extra £5M due to financial improvements. So my final Transfer Budget is £15M Transfers In: Luis Jimenez - £3M Claudio Pitbull - Free Craig Cathcart - Loan 600k Martin Petrov - £1.5M Out: Luis Boa Morte - Free Oliver Lee - Loan Jordan Spence - Loan £525k Josh Payne - Loan Fred Sears - Loan Terry Dixon - Loan Manuel Da Costa - Loan £375k and 7 other players where free transferd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forzadiego Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 hello. just got the game and have to say that this year's west ham is really harder than the previous few. But nonetheless its good fun and enjoying every moment of it. JULY window In: Diego Gavilan, Independiente, 450k Peter Masilela, Maccabi Haifa, 250k Jorge Vargas, Free, Free Bruno Silva, Ajax, 1.1m Out: Quashie, Wigan, 575k Kearns, Coventry, 95k Dixon, Stanislas, Da costa out on loan. Now in Jan window, got taken over internally and requested the new board to give me more transfer budget, which they gave me a slightly healthy amount of 4m pounds. Dyer for some reason is currently the best performing player in the premier league (highest average ratings) and Franco is my top scorer. 4-1-3-2 Green Illunga-Upson-Garay(Jan signing)- Faubert Parker Behrami-Dyer-Collison Ashton-Franco currently 9th in premiership and league cup semis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Forzadiego Good going keep an eye on Stanislas as he comes out quite nicely think you could have got more for Quashie as i managed £1m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forzadiego Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 yeah. it was the last wk of the transfer window cos i was sorta waiting for the takeover to push through but when i realised it won't happen so fast i sold as much as i can and at least bought in a few backups. thks for the stanislas tip though, don't know where he will fit in in my system. Hines is turning out great for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taytaz Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Help me my tactics are terrible =O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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