Lucentio Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 "This is ridiculous!", "I have tried everything!", "How has that happened!", "Stupid bloody game!" Like me I'm sure many of you have experienced these sorts of sayings since FM16 was released. Having thought I had cracked it first time on a Network game getting Basingstoke promoted through the play-offs. I gloated with a huge smug grin to my brother and mates as they were sacked or had to settle for mid-table mediocrity in the Vanarama National South. Only to have smug turn to despair in the space of 2 months as I was sacked with just 5 points to my name at the bottom of the table. Exasperated I scoured these forums for help only to struggle to settle on anything decent. Meanwhile on the game after a few months out of work I was offered the Altrincham job. 1 win from my first 6 again had me frustrated as they were 6th in the league when I took over. You may not be surprised to know that win came over, yep you guessed it, Basingstoke sat at the bottom of the league still! So I vowed to find the answer. I decided to test out 5 of the main tactics being touted in the forum as a possible answer to the most riddl-y of riddles. As I needed an answer for Lower League I decided to take on AFC Telford and take them on with no transfers to make it more of a fair test. Of course injuries and form make a difference but the tactic and its success would play a role in them. The test period ended up being over 17 games. I didn't play the cup games so in some you may see that there were a few more cup games than others. I tested them in the following order and shall report and include screenshots in the following order: Goalazo (Credit: ady911) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/439605-FM16-Beta-Goalazo-4-3-3 Testudo (Credit: Mr U Rosler) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/445193-TESTUDO-for-FM16 4-3-3 Bayern Style (Credit: burnum) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444768-4-3-3-Bayern-Style-High-Possession-amp-Pressing Dawnbringer - 4-5-1 Version (Credit: Mr U Rosler) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/443300-DAWNBRINGER-for-FM16 USV 4-3-3 (Credit: Statistical Approach) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444860-FM16-USV-4-3-3-Tactic ***Added 06/12/2015*** Bulgarian Honeymoon v2 (Credit: Pompeyboyz) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444361-FM16-Bulgarian-Honeymoon ***Added 14/12/2015*** Bulgarian Honeymoon v1 (Credit: Pompeyboyz) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444361-FM16-Bulgarian-Honeymoon ***Added 15/12/2015*** Press & Pass v2 (Credit: ipswichjon2) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/440523-FM2016-Press-amp-Pass-Tactic DISCLAIMER Now before you read on to the reports please remember this. At no point am I suggesting any of these are 'good' or 'bad' tactics. I have no doubt that they can be made to work in certain situations with the right tools etc. I am simply reporting the facts that I found. All tactics creators should be given significant credit for creating tactics, testing them and then sharing them with what can be a rather hostile and grabby community at times. For that I say thank you to all of those that have created and shared tactics over the years. You make the FM experience that little easier for many. Finally I do not claim that I have found the best tactic for Football Manager or that I am trying to plug any as such. I am simply reporting the findings of my little test. Now to the results. According to the final table (as this apparently never lies) the tactics ranked in the following order: 1st - USV 4-3-3 - 4th, 31 points, 5 GD 2nd - Testudo - 6th, 26 points, 5 GD 3rd - Press & Pass - 10th, 25 points, 7 GD 4th - 4-3-3 Bayern - 15th, 21 points, -4 GD 5th - Bulgarian Honeymoon V1 - 17th, 20 points, -3 GD 6th - Bulgarian Honeymoon V2 - 18th, 20 points, -3 GD 7th - Goalazo - 18th, 20 points, -6 GD 8th - Dawnbringer 4-5-1 - 18th, 18 points, 0 GD Congrats Statistical Approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 GOALAZO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Testudo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 4-3-3 Bayern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Dawnbringer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 USV 4-3-3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 You didn't try mine which is finding very strong lower league performance so feel the test invalid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 You didn't try mine which is finding very strong lower league performance so feel the test invalid Post a link and I will gladly add it to the trial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444361-FM16-Bulgarian-Honeymoon There you go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444361-FM16-Bulgarian-HoneymoonThere you go I will start testing next time I get a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnum Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I appreciate the work you put into testing our tactics but honestly, I don't think the results say anything about the quality of the tactics, aside from what works well with YOUR TEAM and YOUR PLAYERS in the league you're playing at. Every team is built different and while something may work with a lower league team it may not work for a Premiership team (and vice versa). Also, a 17 game test run is quite short as it can be heavily influenced by things like injuries, morale, tactical fluidity or form. To have valid tests it would probably a lot of effort as each tactic should be tested with different teams on different levels (maybe even in different countries) for at least a full season. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you testing our tactics, I just don't think the results can be seen as anything else than what works in your specific conditions (players, team, league). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 I appreciate the work you put into testing our tactics but honestly, I don't think the results say anything about the quality of the tactics, aside from what works well with YOUR TEAM and YOUR PLAYERS in the league you're playing at. Every team is built different and while something may work with a lower league team it may not work for a Premiership team (and vice versa). Also, a 17 game test run is quite short as it can be heavily influenced by things like injuries, morale, tactical fluidity or form.To have valid tests it would probably a lot of effort as each tactic should be tested with different teams on different levels (maybe even in different countries) for at least a full season. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you testing our tactics, I just don't think the results can be seen as anything else than what works in your specific conditions (players, team, league). I agree burnum. I put that in the first post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 To be fair, none of them look that great in terms of shape/roles or instructions anyway. Dawnbringer amuses me, it lacks a midfield completely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 To be fair, none of them look that great in terms of shape/roles or instructions anyway. Dawnbringer amuses me, it lacks a midfield completely! Fair enough. Although on past FM's some of the odd Asymmetrical tactics and the like have been very successful. The Dawnbringer tactic is the 4-5-1 version so has a very heavy midfield! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 You didn't try mine which is finding very strong lower league performance so feel the test invalid Bulgarian Honeymoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Fair enough. Although on past FM's some of the odd Asymmetrical tactics and the like have been very successful. The Dawnbringer tactic is the 4-5-1 version so has a very heavy midfield! But it doesn't... 1 striker, 2 AMC's who will be positioned high and thus have to track back into midfield. The two genuine midfielders are both ball winners who basically go missing. I'd go exploit right flank, direct passing and just bypass the lot (plus the FB on attack) for a simple cross to win. >_> In theory anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Fair enough. This was the updated tactic I used for the DAWNBRINGER thread just in case there is a little confusion with the tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just to clear this up, the above is my most recent tactic, Testudo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just as a matter of interest, can you rerun mine with V1 of the tactic http://www.mediafire.com/download/n3x49i2ixga2tt2/Bulgarian_Honeymoon_3AD95252-612C-4FE1-97F9-FBFD1F1D0581.fmf just interested to see as V2 is what I am using in the Championship and V1 might be better suited lower down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just as a matter of interest, can you rerun mine with V1 of the tactichttp://www.mediafire.com/download/n3x49i2ixga2tt2/Bulgarian_Honeymoon_3AD95252-612C-4FE1-97F9-FBFD1F1D0581.fmf just interested to see as V2 is what I am using in the Championship and V1 might be better suited lower down Why not! I will do it at the weekend when I get a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipswichjon2 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I was wondering if youd fancy testing my press and pass V2 that's seen Ipswich into the top 6 of the prem? http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/440523-FM2016-Press-amp-Pass-Tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Gladly. I will add it to the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosEsDios Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Thanks for taking the time to try these tactics and provide more information for people looking for tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdanbartlett Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yes thanks for this thread, most appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Just as a matter of interest, can you rerun mine with V1 of the tactichttp://www.mediafire.com/download/n3x49i2ixga2tt2/Bulgarian_Honeymoon_3AD95252-612C-4FE1-97F9-FBFD1F1D0581.fmf just interested to see as V2 is what I am using in the Championship and V1 might be better suited lower down Very unlucky not to come higher. The last few games should have been won comfortably only for some bad luck. Especially in a number of totally random own goals that cost points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentio Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 I was wondering if youd fancy testing my press and pass V2 that's seen Ipswich into the top 6 of the prem?http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/440523-FM2016-Press-amp-Pass-Tactic Press & Pass - Pretty good. The most goals scored out of all the tests and the best goal difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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