MrBannystar Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Has anyone else noticed that, when you make tactical changes and return to the match screen, the opposition frequently score in the time it takes to implement these changes? For instance, when there's no evident danger, i'll make a sub and wait for it to happen on the pitch. Before any change happens, the opposition go straight up the other end and score. And then the change takes place. I've noticed this a lot more on previous versions than on FM12. But it makes me wonder - if i wasn't about to make a substitution or tactical change, would they really have scored? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Statistical probability - the reason you want to make a change is because you can feel a goal coming, there's always a chance your feeling is correct You making a substitution has no affect on the game until the current highlight is over (as that highlight was generated before you made the sub/tactical changes and hit submit). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I pause the game before any subs, rarely do i see any highlights in between me making changes and them happening. But i have cursed a few times when the opp have scored during that time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBannystar Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 Statistical probability - the reason you want to make a change is because you can feel a goal coming, there's always a chance your feeling is correct You making a substitution has no affect on the game until the current highlight is over (as that highlight was generated before you made the sub/tactical changes and hit submit). Sometimes I'm not so sure, even when the clock is ticking along with no highlight being shown and when my team doesn't seem to be under much pressure do they then go on and score at the other end whilst the change is waiting to be made. Is there a possibility that the impending change might make an effect on the following highlight before it's actually taken place? Again I've noticed that after I've made a change and am waiting for it to happen, a highlight crops up almost instantly which results in them scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 When you make a change, the tactics button greys out. The changes don't become active until that button becomes available again, so any highlight generated before that happens will not have your changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 The game needs to at least allow you to cancel or alter that sub, it happens all the time in real life when subs warming up are told to stand down and someone else comes on instead after a goal or game-changing event. FFS, I've had moments where I'm waiting for my 3rd sub to come on when a different player got a slight knock or injury -- obviously I want to change the substitution to take that player out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyt86 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I've seen this quite a bit....since then I know wait until I am dominating the possession in the last 5mins, pause the game and make the change. This has dramatically reduced the amount of times I have conceded. If a player gets injured and has to come off then you can change the substitute but I agree you should be allowed to cancel the change, I'm sure you could in a previous version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Top Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 not noticed this so much but its incredibily annoying when your awaiting a substitution and the guy your bringing off scores, there should definatly be a cancel button Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake Appeal Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Long-term, I'd like to see SI remove any pauses for tactical changes or shouts. That stuff should be seamless. As it is, the UI for the match engine feels a little bit too much like you're fighting to get your orders through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyt86 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Yeah but IRL when a manager wants to make a change they have to wait for the ball to go out of play and if they are looking to change tactically it takes a few seconds for the message to get to the relevant players etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake Appeal Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Oh sure, it can be integrated that way, so that it takes time for the instructions to actually filter through, for players to change their behaviour, and for subs to get on the field. I am talking purely the user experience of wrestling with the options and enduring obtrusive pauses. The actual physical sensations of using the match engine are pretty terrible from a UI standpoint. Imagine just selecting the list of shouts and clicking the ones you want and seeing them fade in or out as they are heard on the pitch and adopted by the team, without the game ever freezing in a way that feels artificial, gamelike, and irritating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Thing is tho, the reason that happens is because the game is re-calculating the result based on the changes, so getting rid of that would be difficult i would imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake Appeal Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Yeah, I appreciate it's a technical nightmare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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