Jah Onion Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hey guys. I've been playing PES for ~6 yrs now after playing FIFA 5 yrs before that. I love soccer, I've played FM/CM since 01/02, have been a beta tester, a researcher and love the game. I've searched for this and haven't found anything, so my apologies if it's been discussed. While playing PES recently, it just hit me: the engine is perfect! and the AI is pretty damn good. with tweaks, it could be amazing. The great thing about the PES engine is that it takes into account players' stats. A player with 60 passing is sure to miss a **** load of passes, and pass the ball much slower than one with 85. differences in passing, speed, acc, ball control, w/e...they're all very very noticeable. As a bonus, the engine is already designed to work with a lot of stats compared to, say, FIFA which uses no more than 10-12 AFAIK. PES has ~25 + special abilities like goal-scoring,dribbling, post player, side-line, one touch, outside of the boot, sliding tackle, etc. Not to mention it's designed to work with just as many player positions as FM as well as it supports players playing in multiple positions (that, is, if you play a player out of position, it will hurt his performance in-game). Possibly the biggest gripe with the PES AI stems from the fact that it's easily beat-able by a human player. Absolutely true. But who cares? we're not going to be playing. The AI puts in a good game, players run off the ball quite well and teams generally play to the best of their ability. That is, if u're fiorentina playing full strength Man Utd, if you play offensively you will get a 5-2 thrashing enough times. The goalkeepers are actually rather good, and again, if not for human player awesomeness (that is, if you'd watch AI v AI games) the goalkeepers would be pretty damn good. The football also looks good, the players' movements are mostly fluent, and more importantly the ball physics are very sound. A player who knocks the ball too far won't be able to magically get to the ball, if a player strikes a bouncing ball on the rise, it goes high, etc. I dunno, i could talk about how this engine is perfect for FM in so many ways, but i'm afraid few people will read what i've written so far I guess this probably can't/won't happen, but boy would it be amazin' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eles Gergo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Eventually Si will get to the point where we experience 3D at full glance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmobande Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Eventually Si will get to the point where we experience 3D at full glance agree each year by each year the 3D will improve ... and that a fact and seriously i think we shouldn't but pes engine in a game like FM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Onion Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 lol, why? at least provide some arguments. it will be a long time before the 3d engine gets even close to that of PES2009. It took years to get a 2d engine... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indietrash Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 imo PES have been rubbish for the last couple of years. FIFA's engine is 100% superior. but do we actually want/need that? the game would be far too complex. if it was up to me, they'd remove the 3D engine altogether and fix up the text one (it's quite inaccurate as of now). the only reason I use 3D now is because I'm forced to do so due to the regular commentary one is so broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setsuna Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Never use 3D myself. I prefer watching 2D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCCG Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I think that the arcade style games are made to be played for 10-20 minutes so everything is sped up and disproportionate, and that is why it wouldn't be good if FM were to use them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Funk Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 While playing PES recently, it just hit me: the engine is perfect! and the AI is pretty damn good. with tweaks, it could be amazing. Perfect? AI damn good?Try a Com vs Com match, and look at stats (passes and so on...), actions and so on. Than think about the pc resources needed for that. The great thing about the PES engine is that it takes into account players' stats. It's soccer game...if it doesn't do that what is it for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted October 14, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 14, 2009 You should all listen to MSCCG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymind Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The aim to have a 3D in FM is to evaluate each player easily. I know that in FM2010, the ME has been improved a lot, but I have doubt on player animations, which is important to see each player dribbling, tackling, accelerating etc.. in order to be able to compare each attribute. So if the animations are like PES or FIFA, it will be quiet easy to evaluate each attribute of a plyer during a match. So expect a FM2011 with animations as PES or FIFA or a cooperation between EA Sports or Konami and SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymind Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Ter, Don't hide behind the speed or arcade game ! FM has done an excellent ME and improved a lot the animations, so SI can do better animations than PES! Thanks You should all listen to MSCCG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The PES engine is crap nowadays. FIFA engine is a much more realistic football simulator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymind Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Please don' mix ME ( great in FM ) and animations ( still far from Fifa or PES ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutral Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 PES09 is perfect? It is the worst PES game ever (bar 08)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymind Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 This thread will become a fight FIFA VS PES ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sart Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 anyone whos ever had the misfortune to play ea manager disasters will know that good graphics are nothing without a good game which it certainly wasnt ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Onion Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 You should all listen to MSCCG You could tweak stuff ya'know... PES09 is perfect? It is the worst PES game ever (bar 08)... At least bother to read what was posted. Never did I say it was perfect :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The movement of players in PES is appalling and as has been said, it is designed to create lots of scoring opportunities in a very short space of time. In terms of AI, PES is not even close to FM. However, I think we can all agree that more animations means more visible differences in the quality of players. In that respect FM has a lot of catching up to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 At least bother to read what was posted. Never did I say it was perfect :/ Um, hate to be pedantic, but... While playing PES recently, it just hit me: the engine is perfect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The FM ME is far superior to PES. If you're talking about graphics though, then that's another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mintchip Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Um, hate to be pedantic, but... LOL. FIFA 2010 has impressed me a great deal. Best football game ever. Animations and match engine combined with extra features are magical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymind Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Yes I agree totally with this, ME of FM is exellent in FM2009 ( better in FM2010 for sure ). But the animations is quite far from what the aim of this game ( to evaluate during a match ! ). My dream is not to see the after match stats and evaluate my team and each performance only by seeing the match ( FM2011 maybe ? ). Waiting to play the demo... The FM ME is far superior to PES.If you're talking about graphics though, then that's another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt ex SEGA Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 "Hi Mr Konami, it's Miles here. You know that engine you've spent millions and millions working on for about 15 years? Can we have it please? What do you mean, no? Because we're owned by SEGA, one of Konami's biggest Japanese rivals? I don't understand? Please? I love PES and about half my team do, too. The other half? Nah, they're playing FIFA. We asked EA if we could have that, too, but they didn't reply yet." I think we can file this under "unlikely" and close it before the inevitable row - which is probably still going on in the off topic forum.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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