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TheBetterHalfs Underdog/small team

The Direct Counter

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Abstract

People that have read my most in

recent years know that I have moved away form using plug & play tactic,

tactics that by tweaking sliders in a trial & error manor with the aim to

beat the match engine rather than the opponent. So this might come as a slight

surprise, being a thread where I not only upload such a tactic, but also that I

have used someone else's work as a framework ( Akash777)

The

Versions

This small set consist of 3 versions that are to be used as plug & play tactics. The first version is called "High Press", the 2nd "Lower press" and the 3rd " Patient Stretching". Playing as an underdog, the main versions are the pressing ones. If you feel that you have the ability to disturb the opponent by putting a hell of a lot more pressure on them, then use the high press and if you are more scared that you might be dragged out of position by this superior team, then use the lower press version

If playing at the top level or just under it, even as an underdog you will come across teams that you are superior

to. Then, you can use the "patient stretch" version as an alternative

The Result found in next post

Formation & Team settings

Screen to come

The flow using Underdogs

As soon as a counter attack is launched, we keep a direct

game and channel t-balls from the middle onto the flanks for our 3 attacking

players to tun onto. Our single MC keeps a restricted game but he is supported

by 2 more attacking minded DMCs that always seeks free space. When our fullbacks

get into possession deep down field, they hold on to the ball to drag the

opposition onto them.This means that if we face a tea sitting deep and defend,

our attacking players are likely to make a run forward in vain and the FBs hold

onto the ball, making these attacking players easy to mark as the opposition

simply denies us space to play these direct t-balls into. This is why this

approach is for underdogs and perhaps middle teams.

The flow using better teams/ top teams

It does work for top teams to, don't get me wrong. You

would easily win the league with Man U, Man C but the flow wont look as good as

playing a different approach and you will see more 1-0, 2-1 wins instead of 3-0.

5-1 etc. Simply put, there is no reason to use it unless you like being in agony

over those longshots

The players

All players:

Determination, Team Work, Work rate and Decision

Also notice that I have not

brought the "common sense stats" in any of the players beneath, like finishing

for the strikers or passing for all players etc.

Fullbacks

Style of play

When not launching an counter attack, they should stay back so no

ppms like " get forward" etc. These player act like holding players and when

seeing fit, they will try to beat their man

Stats

Here, we are looking for pace, anticipation, positioning, stamina and tackling. Dribbling is a huge plus

to.

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Central Defenders

Style of play

As we use loose zonal marking, make sure that they don't have the ppm " like to

tight mark"

Stats:

The normal ones: Remember that Anticipation are crucial

for any top team and that pace is needed if the opponent launches balls over the

top of the defenders. Remember that the worse concentration they have, the more

likely you are to concede late in games and when you are dominating but not

scoring yourself

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DMC´´S - Deep & Roaming Box To Box Midfielders, hardworking

Style of play

Here we use 2 deep

BBM´s that roam to seek free space. The left is the more creative with higher

flair and decision stats.

Stats

Stamina, Strength, anticipation, tackling, Concentration

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MC - The Ballwinner

Style of play

Here we use a more limited MC that is used mainly as a ballwinner.

He keeps a much shorter passing game and does not look to play a direct ball but

instead wait for the DMCs to get forward

Stats

Stamina, Strength, anticipation,

tackling, Concentration

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AMR/LWingers - Complete Wingforwards

Style of play:

As the wingers are used as both pacey Wingforwards AND defensive

hardworking wingers, its naturally COMPLETE players that will do the best of

job. But as these players are really hard to find, I crucial that they most of

all are physical classic English Wingers, that they know how to close down and

tackle. Inverted wingers ?. Well why not, the more clinical finisher the

better

Stats

Pace, off the ball,flair, crossing

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Forward - The Pacey Poacher

Style of play:

This is the main goalscorer. He

needs to be able to find space, break free from his marker by dribbling past

him. When he moves down the line into channels, its also good if he has good

team work stat so he cross the ball to a tam mate instead of taking the poor

angle. At higher level, this player can actually be a player like Tevez or

Aguero, RVP, a player that likes to come deep to get the ball

Stats:

Off the all, Flair, Agility, First touch, Technique

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Tweaks and Shouts

As its a plug & play Tactic using classic mode, I use no tweaks and shouts are enabled

Opposition instruction

I have not used any at all but feel free to

use them in a manor that suit the actual formation. ( i.e NOT showing MR/L

wingers inside if they use overlaping fullbacks

Playmaker & Target Man

None is used

Match prep

There is no focus area that i

crucial for the flow of the tactic. If you face a team that are great at set

pieces and might focus on attacking set pieces as their only chance, use

defensive set pieces. If up against a team you know are going to play really

deep and compact BUT have poor attackers, then use attacking movement. If up

against a team with really pacey and agile FCs, then use defensive positioning

etc etc. Naturally, I use Team Work on a heavy workload in preseason but

remember that when using a focus area that relates to the match plan ( like def

positioning), the workload have no impact what so ever.

Pitch Size

Looking at the tactic and the circumstance, and you will see the

following

•-Close down heavily: Meaning that the bigger pitch, in theory

the bigger area to close down. So teams with players lacking in stamina would

prefer a smaller pitch.

•Focus the play through the middle: If the pitch

is really short, there will be congestion in the middle will struggle to find

space.

•- Its a tactic for underdogs, hence opponents are likely to push

up and use the width or the field, : Here, a really wide pitch means that these

quality players will get too much space

•- The deep d-line and the balls

into channels - AS we play a deep d-line, we can actually use a long pitch and

as we play a more direct game, putting those t-balls into channels, we would

benefit from this long pitch in our attacks to. That is if our 3 attacking

players does have great pace and good stamina

So, in short, I would go

for a Longer but more narrow pitch

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The Result

First

save

Peterborough-2011/2012 CCC - 6th, promotion after beating Reading

and Forest in the playoffs

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Second save - some club hopping testing

the tactic. All clubs using a new manager with Sunday League rep.

Hudds 2011/2012 League One -1st,Easy promotion, used the hassle version mostly and at

the end of the season, the patient stretch.

1hudds.png

Walsall 2013/14 - 3rd, missed out in the

playoffs League On

Morecambe 2012/13 - 1st,

Promotion from the League Two

1mor.png

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TEST WITH A STRUGGLING POOL

Although the tactic is mainly for underdogs, I decided to use it on a struggling Liverpool side that had just sacked their manager. I took over just before the Arsenal game and obviously the results below the white line is using this tactic. The High Press version was used in all matches

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If anyone would like to betatest the same approach but within a Narrow Diamond formation, please give me a shouts and I will send you a link to the tactics

Cheers !

My first matches with this beta version ( of the Narrow Diamond), NO signings just letting the assman pick the team

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How do I chose High or Low pressing? What are the requirements?

Its in the OP. For an underdog, the naturall choice would be the lower press but if you think that your players are up for the job to hassle, then use HIGH. You simply have to look at the flow.

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Its in the OP. For an underdog, the naturall choice would be the lower press but if you think that your players are up for the job to hassle, then use HIGH. You simply have to look at the flow.
That's what I didn't get, how can you tell if they are up for it?
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That's what I didn't get, how can you tell if they are up for it?

By watching the match, seing if your players gets dragged out Of position, if they lack the stamina, if the opponent is cool enough to play their way out Of their defence or if they hoof the ball up under pressure etc etc . Naturally, pregame you have to make an assumtion about how the game is going to look. When I played with Pool, I used High press in all games, and when with Posh, I used Lower press as we where not good enough to press high.

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By watching the match, seing if your players gets dragged out Of position, if they lack the stamina, if the opponent is cool enough to play their way out Of their defence or if they hoof the ball up under pressure etc etc . Naturally, pregame you have to make an assumtion about how the game is going to look. When I played with Pool, I used High press in all games, and when with Posh, I used Lower press as we where not good enough to press high.
Thanks mate that's brilliant! I started by using high pressure with a team well out of their comfort zone, wasn't going well now with low pressure we are walking it! Great tactic thanks!

One more question, if things are going well in a match does that mean I should try high pressure?

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Hey TheBetterHalf,

Out of interest, how many goals are you scoring from corners during your test?

Regards

Shiraz

In total, just under 30 % came from set pieces if summing up all the saves so its like in real life. If you feel you score too many, feel free to change the setup. I have not though about it as such since the tactic uses Akash777's " Sumthins 4231" as the framework and I have not touches the set pieces. Although this is à plug & play, I always assume that users are going to tweak the ser pieces to suit their players( the best corner taket could be the striker or à fullback and the best freekick taker could be à DC etc.

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Sorry, this tactic does not work for me. I'm playing with Paris SG. How can I make Pastore play as DMC ? I can't... Also defence on corner is poor without tweaking it.
for psg i would recommend using the narrow diamond,and pastore as AMC..

You have to have the players to suit any tactic,and pastore imo dont fit in the 42121 tactic,unless he is pacy and can be used on one of the wings, but i dont think he will perform as good as he can on a wing

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Sorry, this tactic does not work for me. I'm playing with Paris SG. How can I make Pastore play as DMC ? I can't... Also defence on corner is poor without tweaking it.

Like Kung wrote, you pick à formation that actually suit the team.

Naturally its not à good tactic for PSG, its àn underdog tactic for teams with hardworking and defensive players and as in all tactics, you have to change the set pieces setup to suit your players. I have no idea if your DMCleft or DR is better at heading and jumping etc. I cant say that I concede much from corners though, as most about 6 or 7 every season.

EDIT: You sound almost like the tactic was recommended for PSG, did you post in the wrong thread ?

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The Result

First

save

Peterborough-2011/2012 CCC - 6th, promotion after beating Reading

and Forest in the playoffs

1posh.png

Second save - some club hopping testing

the tactic. All clubs using a new manager with Sunday League rep.

Hudds 2011/2012 League One -1st,Easy promotion, used the hassle version mostly and at

the end of the season, the patient stretch.

1hudds.png

Walsall 2013/14 - 3rd, missed out in the

playoffs League On

Morecambe 2012/13 - 1st,

Promotion from the League Two

1mor.png

With the League Two table, it should be a top seven format making the playoffs and not 4 auto promotions. smells to me

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I assume the screenshot was taken after the playoff's finished. In League 2, the top three get promoted, as well as the winner of the playoff. Bristol probably won the playoff, so it shows them in green as well. Nothing wrong with it :D

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With the League Two table, it should be a top seven format making the playoffs and not 4 auto promotions. smells to me
I assume the screenshot was taken after the playoff's finished. In League 2, the top three get promoted, as well as the winner of the playoff. Bristol probably won the playoff, so it shows them in green as well. Nothing wrong with it :D

Nohhing fishy here, MattSpurs is correct.

Naturally, I could have been cheating and not been playing with those teams at all, just like I could have been re-loading every game or using a ingame editor making all my player 200 CA. In the end, you make a choice wheher you believe me or not

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I wouldn't question TBH's integrity. I've been using her tactics on the last few versions of the game, including FM12. She is definitely one of the top tactics creators on these, or any other forums.

Agree 100%

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