Ajax System for FM2011 onwards “AFC Ajax“ 1990s (Discussion)

[Marz]

not sure how to upload

I will write up a step by step guide by tuesday (24.11 of this year ); sorry a bit busy at the moment.

[Marz]

Just a quick update, the next download will have the Wingers playing from AML & AMR. If your Wingers are already natural for those positions you could retrain them for the striker position (so they become atleast accomplished).

[Wijnand fens]

Ajax System FM10 version 1.1

Really basic tweaking that has to be done, apart from opponents instructions are:-

Current team mentality is set to the highest normal, with the striker (#9) given an individual mentality which is the first attacking mentality.

The Ajax system is an attacking system, so I would not recommend setting the team mentality lower than 10 (unless the opponents are pushing a lot of players forward in the last minutes to score etc). The #9 mentality is set to the first attacking notch, as he should not be tracking back. If you do set the team mentality lower than the current preset (which I think is 14 think) then you might have to get the #9 to hold up the ball.

If the team needs to be more attacking (mentality sliders set into the attacking notches), then disable the strikers’ (#9) individual mentality. And also set RFD (runs from deep) too rarely, set to sometimes when the team mentality is in normal, to exploit the space behind the opponent.

The (#11&7) wingers’ RFD (runs from deep) should be set on rarely at all times, as their task is to keep the field wide/provide wide options at all times. Since they play as wide Strikers they should look for through balls anyway; a bit like a central striker not needing RFD on often (unless it is Inzaghi).

The #10 RFD should be set to often at all times, and if possible play a player who has “Gets forward whenever possible” as a preferred move.

The three settings below need to be tweak (from sometimes to often) according to the players available (and opposition) for positions #8,10,6:-

Try through balls (TTB) – a must for the player in the #10 position

Try long shoots (TLS)

Run with ball (RWB) – I try to have players in these positions, #8 & 6 who are capable often RWB

RFD for positions #8 & 6 should be set to sometimes, as they play controlling roles within the system.

#4 passing could be decreased if the player available for this position does not have high creativity (vision); same goes for the #3.

he marz can you upload it to another website? thanks

[Marz]

he marz can you upload it to another website? thanks

Never mind just checked, going to try to find some alternatives to Rapidshare. I have deleted the current download as a new and improved version is just around the corner.

[Marz]

I will write up a step by step guide by tuesday (24.11 of this year ); sorry a bit busy at the moment.

-Go to your fixtures

-Hover your mouse curser of the score of the match you want to upload

-Then click on the score (this should take you to the match)

-Underneath the score of the match you should have the tab of information

-Underneath that you should have Overview, Formation, Report

-On the same level of Overview but on the left there should be Match Control

-Click on Match control and then click on save

-It will come up with a window called “Choose a new file”

-The game should automatically find the “matches” folder

-But before you press save follow the steps below (unless you know where your matches folder is located), also remember what the file/match is saved as.

On the right hand side of the “Choose a new file” window, it should state “Location:” to the right of that is a tab called “matches”

If you click on that a tree menu will open something like:-

D:

Program Files (86x)

Sports Interactive

Data Folder 10 temp files

Matches

(If something else comes up do not worry, the main thing is to know where your matches folder is located)

-Write down the above location or save and then go back into “Match control tab” and then “save tab”

-Start your internet browser and go to www.rapidshare.com

-On that page look for “Browse”, should be to the right of an empty space.

-Then click on “Browse”, it should open a window

-On the left (could be right) of that window look for “My computer” or “Computer” or even better the letter “C:” or “D:”

If you cannot see any of those look for “Desktop”, click on that and then again look for “My computer” or “Computer”

-When you have found “My computer” or “Computer” double click on the icon, the window should change to a screen which shows your hard drives e.g. “C:” or in my case “D:”

-From here you follow (click your way through) the location path/tree menu which FM10 gave you (in my case):-

D:

Program Files (86x)

Sports Interactive

Data Folder 10 temp files

Matches

-When you get to the Matches folder double click on the saved match (or click on match and then click on “Open”).

-The window then closes; bring you back to your internet browser and in the empty space you should have something like:-

D:\Program Files (x86)\Sports Interactive\Data Folder 10 temp files\matches\PSV v Ajax.pkm

-Then click on “Upload”, which should be just below

-The saved match (file) will then be uploaded; this should only take a few seconds

-The internet browser will then change to a screen called “Upload|Download Link”

-Write down the download link e.g. http://rapidshare.com/files/311586138/PSV_v_Ajax.pkm.html

Or

Hover the mouse curser over the “Click here to download file” link.

Then right click your mouse, it should come up with different options.

In those options look for “Copy Link” or “Copy Link Location” click on that.

Then make a post reply in this thread. In the space where you normally type right click and look for “paste”, click on that and it should add the rapidshare link into your post.

[crazyscotsman]

Marz

thanks for the write up: I use a MAC but the walkthrough below will help me upload the game

-Go to your fixtures

-Hover your mouse curser of the score of the match you want to upload

-Then click on the score (this should take you to the match)

-Underneath the score of the match you should have the tab of information

-Underneath that you should have Overview, Formation, Report

-On the same level of Overview but on the left there should be Match Control

-Click on Match control and then click on save

-It will come up with a window called “Choose a new file”

-The game should automatically find the “matches” folder

-But before you press save follow the steps below (unless you know where your matches folder is located), also remember what the file/match is saved as.

On the right hand side of the “Choose a new file” window, it should state “Location:” to the right of that is a tab called “matches”

If you click on that a tree menu will open something like:-

D:

Program Files (86x)

Sports Interactive

Data Folder 10 temp files

Matches

(If something else comes up do not worry, the main thing is to know where your matches folder is located)

-Write down the above location or save and then go back into “Match control tab” and then “save tab”

-Start your internet browser and go to www.rapidshare.com

-On that page look for “Browse”, should be to the right of an empty space.

-Then click on “Browse”, it should open a window

-On the left (could be right) of that window look for “My computer” or “Computer” or even better the letter “C:” or “D:”

If you cannot see any of those look for “Desktop”, click on that and then again look for “My computer” or “Computer”

-When you have found “My computer” or “Computer” double click on the icon, the window should change to a screen which shows your hard drives e.g. “C:” or in my case “D:”

-From here you follow (click your way through) the location path/tree menu which FM10 gave you (in my case):-

D:

Program Files (86x)

Sports Interactive

Data Folder 10 temp files

Matches

-When you get to the Matches folder double click on the saved match (or click on match and then click on “Open”).

-The window then closes; bring you back to your internet browser and in the empty space you should have something like:-

D:\Program Files (x86)\Sports Interactive\Data Folder 10 temp files\matches\PSV v Ajax.pkm

-Then click on “Upload”, which should be just below

-The saved match (file) will then be uploaded; this should only take a few seconds

-The internet browser will then change to a screen called “Upload|Download Link”

-Write down the download link e.g. http://rapidshare.com/files/311586138/PSV_v_Ajax.pkm.html

Or

Hover the mouse curser over the “Click here to download file” link.

Then right click your mouse, it should come up with different options.

In those options look for “Copy Link” or “Copy Link Location” click on that.

Then make a post reply in this thread. In the space where you normally type right click and look for “paste”, click on that and it should add the rapidshare link into your post.

[crazyscotsman]

marz:

the game I need to show you seems not to be available as it is too far back. I have sinced changed the gk rwb from 20 to 10 and this has helped> if i find another game with this issue i will post it.

[Marz]

marz:

the game I need to show you seems not to be available as it is too far back. I have sinced changed the gk rwb from 20 to 10 and this has helped> if i find another game with this issue i will post it.

Strange the RWB (run with ball) should be on rarely for the GK, in the FM10 system I uploaded. :confused:

Next version will hopefully be out by the coming monday.

[polat_dgn]

Marz , which formation do you use , 4-3-3 of Barcelona ?

[Marz]

Marz , which formation do you use , 4-3-3 of Barcelona ?

3-4-3, but as I'am having some problems with the wingers the match engine might look at it as a 3-6-1.

[crazyscotsman]

i am using an older version of one of your tactics and still playing fm2009. rwb was set at 20

Strange the RWB (run with ball) should be on rarely for the GK, in the FM10 system I uploaded. :confused:

Next version will hopefully be out by the coming monday.

[Marz]

i am using an older version of one of your tactics and still playing fm2009. rwb was set at 20

I think the setting was so high because I had Stekelenburg as GK. Can you post the version number, I could then see if that was the latest version before I moved on to FM10. If you want I could upload the last version I used in FM07.

[crazyscotsman]

Marz:

i am currently using your 3-4-3 v1.7 bet a3

[Marz]

Marz:

i am currently using your 3-4-3 v1.7 bet a3

Sorry you got me confused with the version number 1.7 beta. :confused: I wanted to upload the last FM07 system I used for you but that is on version 6.3 . While the FM10 version is on version 1.2 now. I think FM10 tactics do not work with older FM games so I could upload v6.3 if you are interested, unless you already have that.

As for people who have downloaded my FM10 v1.1 version, change the closing down instructions of the front 3 (#11, 9 & 7) to 17/18. And change the closing down of the midfield 3 (#8, 10 & 6) to team setting (team closing down), which should be around the same setting as your overall team mentality. That should fix a tactical mistake on my part.

Also remove the wide play option of the wingers and have them on normal (from hug touchline).

[larrie]

Marz have you upload version 1.2 for fm10 yet?

[crazyscotsman]

Marz:

No problems now since I have dropped the RWB - thanks

[Marz]

Marz:

No problems now since I have dropped the RWB - thanks

Ajax System 343 for FM07 to FM09 version 6.3

Going to hopefully have a v1.2 for FM10 out within the next few days.

It seems rapidshare does not like free users at the moment, I will try to make future uploads available via FM Britain.

[Guv'nor]

Interesting read. The Ajax system, always inspires the gamer. My greatest angst with producers of the more recent series of FMs, is in their failure to appreciate the wide striker. The FR/FL role is very much still in existence today. Ronaldo's record-breaking season at United was arguably as a wide striker. He had freedom to move from flank to flank and diminished defensive responsibility. In the crunch games, a more industrious midfielder was played to add extra cover on his side of the pitch, and the fullback didnt venture forward as much. What about Rijkaard's 3-4-3 that he brought to Stamford Bridge? Again, wide strikers. This shouldn't be a position alienated by the newer tactic engines. Its laziness on their part that they've made no effort with this role.

[Marz]

Interesting read. The Ajax system' date=' always inspires the gamer. My greatest angst with producers of the more recent series of FMs, is in their failure to appreciate the wide striker. The FR/FL role is very much still in existence today. Ronaldo's record-breaking season at United was arguably as a wide striker. He had freedom to move from flank to flank and diminished defensive responsibility. In the crunch games, a more industrious midfielder was played to add extra cover on his side of the pitch, and the fullback didnt venture forward as much. What about Rijkaard's 3-4-3 that he brought to Stamford Bridge? Again, wide strikers. This shouldn't be a position alienated by the newer tactic engines. Its laziness on their part that they've made no effort with this role.[/quote']

Laziness or a lack of knowledge, a worry for what the future holds.

I have noticed that my Wingers (FL & FR) are not positioning themselves correctly towards the opponents’ fullback now my team are still blending. But this default positioning is hard coded into the game so no amount of blending will solve this.

To confirm this I went back to FM07 and had a look at the defensive positions and they are identical (team has no blending problem and would die for each other). I would go as far as saying that most positions are still strongly based on the default wibble/wobble positions in the with and without ball screens we had all that way back.

The wingers position themselves like central strikers, very obvious when the opposition GK has a goal kick. In my opinion they should stand between the Striker line and midfield line. They should basically be falling back to AML and AMR (attacking midfield line). Just as AML & AMR fall back to almost ML/MR positions when the team does not have possession or there is a defensive set-piece.

Playing the wingers from AML and AMR, the wingers then fall back to the midfield line (ML and MR) as mentioned above. Which is pointless as one of the wingers’ tasks is to block/press the opposing wide defender early in build-up.

I think it is really down to the developer to change this positional mistake within the ME.

[Guv'nor]

It is very disappointing. The wide forwards are very much a part of todays game, Arsenal's 4-3-3 for instance, Arshavin in particular. On the international scene Bielsa has made the 3-4-3 his fingerprint, look at his work with Chile. It would be defeatist on our part if we too, followed in the footsteps of the producers and settled for AML/AMR, because they were the easier option. Im currently working with a 3-4-3 ala Bielsa's Chile, using a FL and FR, the fact the AI deems them 'strikers' say it all really, but onwards one must go. Toggling with the player instructions. Mixed success thus far. The closing down and run from deep are proving very influential. Ideally the wide strikers pin the fullbacks in their own half, in order to do so, closing down all over would make sense. However, all too often the AI sends them galavanting forwards when the balls already in my half! Lol! The next option was too man-to-man mark, tightly might i add, their fullbacks. Closing down always, with a defensive mentality. Lots of running from deep and forward runs to compensate for their defensive orientation. A little more rigidity in its application, the fullbacks were checked 5-6 out of 10 times. The attacking edge did suffer slightly. Crossing from byline and direct passing was useful...the latter, useless at times. Direct passing, rather than meaning getting the ball to an advanced teammate asap, often translated as walloping the ball into open space, with not a player as far as the eye could see! Lol!

Though we're both working on different systems, we are trying to employ a similar strategy, hence the relevance. Dont concede your autonomy! The tactical battle must go on.

[Knoxy]

Really good thread, inspired me to have a try, really not sure how to implement the defensive side of the formation. normally not one to download others tactics but think i'll take a look at yours and use it as a base to have a fiddle!

GUTGW guys!

[Marz]

Though we're both working on different systems' date=' we are trying to employ a similar strategy, hence the relevance. Dont concede your autonomy! The tactical battle must go on.[/quote']

I’ am playing a system that has last been played just over 2 years ago by Ajax 1, so there is not much chance of me losing my autonomy. You are more than welcome to keep posting in this thread, as the Bielsa 3-3-1-3 is a descendant of the Ajax System.

It is very disappointing. The wide forwards are very much a part of todays game' date=' Arsenal's 4-3-3 for instance, Arshavin in particular. On the international scene Bielsa has made the 3-4-3 his fingerprint, look at his work with Chile.[/quote']

Something that should be able to be improved quickly, as it is just a positional mistake. I will make a more detailed post in the ME and 3d view forum and then link it here.

Im currently working with a 3-4-3 ala Bielsa's Chile' date=' using a FL and FR, the fact the AI deems them 'strikers' say it all really, but onwards one must go.[/quote']

Not sure how the AI is coded to deal with wide strikers. If you check your players’ positions tab, there should be information on “games played in position”. Although my wingers play as SL & SR (with runs from deep on rarely), the information I am getting is that they are playing games as AML & AMR (which is fine by me as it is pretty much a dual role).

Toggling with the player instructions. Mixed success thus far. The closing down and run from deep are proving very influential. Ideally the wide strikers pin the fullbacks in their own half' date=' in order to do so, closing down all over would make sense. However, all too often the AI sends them galavanting forwards when the balls already in my half! Lol! The next option was too man-to-man mark, tightly might i add, their fullbacks. Closing down always, with a defensive mentality. Lots of running from deep and forward runs to compensate for their defensive orientation.[/quote']

CD (closing down) at 17/18 for my front 3, to disturb the opponents’ build-up & establishment of play. This problem of the galavanting forwards is in my opinion again down to the wrong positioning. The fact that they close down/press in a line (SL S SR) and not in a curve/arce (AML S AMR). Very obvious when an opposition DC is forced to make a back pass. The S would then press the GK and the Wingers (playing from SL & SR) should block the opposition full-backs. Yet what they often do is to close down the space where the non-existent SWL & SWR would play.

I’ am also using tight marking on the whole front 3, but I like to play with a global mentality at the moment.

Do your wingers not suffer from high amount of off-sides, with RFD set to often?

Really good thread, inspired me to have a try, really not sure how to implement the defensive side of the formation. normally not one to download others tactics but think i'll take a look at yours and use it as a base to have a fiddle!

GUTGW guys!

I think there are only 2 options:-

DM

DL DR

SW

Or

DMC

DC DC DC

The DMC DL DC DR set-up just seems to be an invitation for through balls in the current ME.

[Knoxy]

The DMC DL DC DR set-up just seems to be an invitation for through balls in the current ME

i've found that for sure. using 3 DC i get taken apart down the flanks and with DL DC DR i get overloaded in the middle, havent experimented much with a sweeper yet, can i play:

DL--DC--DR

----SW----

within the aforementioned ajax framework? or should it be a defensive diamond like in your 1st example?

[Marz]

i've found that for sure. using 3 DC i get taken apart down the flanks and with DL DC DR i get overloaded in the middle, havent experimented much with a sweeper yet, can i play:

DL--DC--DR

----SW----

within the aforementioned ajax framework? or should it be a defensive diamond like in your 1st example?

The central defender should move into the DMC position when the team has possession. That is the reason I opted for DMC, but you could try RDF (run from deep) often, maybe even free-role and/or playmaker role.

[Menz]

Marz, hows the system for FM10 coming along?

[Marz]

Marz, hows the system for FM10 coming along?

Coming along nicely in terms results:-

Amsterdam Tournament wins against AC Milan & Sevilla

Top of the Eredivisie with a game in hand (6 played 5 wins & 1 draw away to PSV)

Top of the Euro Cup group (1 played beating Athletic Bilbao away, strongest team besides Ajax in the group)

Through to the Dutch Cup 3rd round.

But there are many positional issues, like the one Guv'nor (and even a few 433 thread posters) and I have pointed out in the ME (Wing forwards defensive positioning is just plain wrong). Need to make a detailed post with pkms and screenshots for SI which will take some time.

For me the starting positions of the wingers are up in the air at the moment. It’s like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Ideally I would like the wingers to play in the real life positions of FL and FR. With a midfield of 3 MCs were the central one should position himself in the AMC position when the team is in build-up or establishing play. Here again compromises have to be made as in this sophisticated ME players only play within 1 position. Similar problems arise in defence where in theory the #4 should play from DC to DMC.

Another problem is the positioning and covering in defence. The #4 (DMC) keep sprinting/running over to close down opponents Wingers, when the winger is in an area/situation where the half-back should be dealing with the threat. He should just become the 2nd central defender or cover the area in front of the defence. With the half-back stepping out (a few meters) and position himself to deal with the threat. This could be down my settings, so still tweaking. It would be nice to hear other peoples thoughts on this issue.

So all in all it’s a mixed bag at the moment.

[crazyscotsman]

Marz:

Which team are you currently playing with as I though you only played as Ajax?

Coming along nicely in terms results:-

Amsterdam Tournament wins against AC Milan & Sevilla

Top of the Eredivisie with a game in hand (6 played 5 wins & 1 draw away to PSV)

Top of the Euro Cup group (1 played beating Athletic Bilbao away, strongest team besides Ajax in the group)

Through to the Dutch Cup 3rd round.

But there are many positional issues, like the one Guv'nor (and even a few 433 thread posters) and I have pointed out in the ME (Wing forwards defensive positioning is just plain wrong). Need to make a detailed post with pkms and screenshots for SI which will take some time.

For me the starting positions of the wingers are up in the air at the moment. It’s like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Ideally I would like the wingers to play in the real life positions of FL and FR. With a midfield of 3 MCs were the central one should position himself in the AMC position when the team is in build-up or establishing play. Here again compromises have to be made as in this sophisticated ME players only play within 1 position. Similar problems arise in defence where in theory the #4 should play from DC to DMC.

Another problem is the positioning and covering in defence. The #4 (DMC) keep sprinting/running over to close down opponents Wingers, when the winger is in an area/situation where the half-back should be dealing with the threat. He should just become the 2nd central defender or cover the area in front of the defence. With the half-back stepping out (a few meters) and position himself to deal with the threat. This is could ne down my settings, so still tweaking. It would be nice to hear other peoples thoughts on this issue.

So all in all it’s a mixed bag at the moment.

[Marz]

Marz:

Which team are you currently playing with as I though you only played as Ajax?

Yes correct with Ajax

[crazyscotsman]

marz:

Hows the season on FM10 coming along?

[Marz]

marz:

Hows the season on FM10 coming along?

Not much has changed since my result summary. In terms of the system and tactics I’am waiting on patch 10.2 to see if the closing down (and positioning) of the half-backs and left & right midfielders (#8 & 6) too threats on the wings is more realistic.

In the short term I’ am waiting on SI to reply to the thread about the Wing Forwards.

[crazyscotsman]

marz:

who do you currently have as your attacking and defensive coaches? Just wondering as I find it very difficult to find any coach that prefers the 3-4-3?

[Marz]

marz:

who do you currently have as your attacking and defensive coaches? Just wondering as I find it very difficult to find any coach that prefers the 3-4-3?

The preferred formation/system of staff is only used when they manage teams. You can dictate the system used by your Reserve and Under 18s teams, through team settings.

[crazyscotsman]

marz:

What is your longest unbeaten run at this point? Compared other versions of FM are you scoring more or less goals?

[grimness]

Also from my experience staff, especially ass.man changes his preferred formation to yours after some time, in case you haven't changed it over the course of time.

[GingerFurballmkII]

Marz, how are you setting up your front 3?

I'm playing the demo and I'm having pretty good success with Barcelona and Arsenal, I'm trying to create an attacking 4-3-3 tactic and I'm having a lot of joy playing the wide players as FL and FR.

I've set them to be attacking inside forwards, so they're capable of cutting inside and threatening the goal themselves, or going wide and getting crosses in to my central striker.

[Marz]

marz:

What is your longest unbeaten run at this point? Compared other versions of FM are you scoring more or less goals?

In FM07 I was unbeaten for 2 seasons plus a few games in the league and domestic cup, lost a few matches in European competition. Compared to FM07 I’ am scoring less goals but the difference in squad quality has a lot to do with that.

Marz, how are you setting up your front 3?

I'm playing the demo and I'm having pretty good success with Barcelona and Arsenal, I'm trying to create an attacking 4-3-3 tactic and I'm having a lot of joy playing the wide players as FL and FR.

I've set them to be attacking inside forwards, so they're capable of cutting inside and threatening the goal themselves, or going wide and getting crosses in to my central striker.

I do not use the tactic wizard, so I cannot help you with that. The game also has an issue with wing forwards, see posts #68, 69, 70.

Believe it or not, I’ am currently playing like this against 442:-

SL S SR (sometimes playing the wingers from AML & AMR)

AMC

MC MC

DMC

DC DC

SW

GK

Ridiculous isn’t it.

Against 433/451 I drop the DMC back to DC and push the DC's out to DL & DR.

I’ am going to be on holiday till 3/4 jan 2010. So everyone have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

[ALEXANDER999]

Hi Marz,

Are you going to be releasing a tweaked tactic? Christmas is just around the corner and I was waiting for a gift !!

Speaking about gifts just went on the Ajax website and saw a great fleece training jacket ..have to get that for sure!!

had average success with a tactic I tried to make based on your suggestions ..doesn't give me the satisfaction as the one's you have made.

Looking forward to a new tweaked version ...Does the 10.2 patch solve any of the wing problems?

Cheers to everyone that has contributed to this great forum over the years and happy holidays ...and Marz Merry Christmas to you and thanks for making my Ajax saves that much more enjoyable.

All the best everyone

[Marz]

Hi Marz,

Are you going to be releasing a tweaked tactic? Christmas is just around the corner and I was waiting for a gift !!

had average success with a tactic I tried to make based on your suggestions ..doesn't give me the satisfaction as the one's you have made.

I will see if I can upload one Wednesday night, but it is looking doubtful.

Looking forward to a new tweaked version ...Does the 10.2 patch solve any of the wing problems?

A lot better than in 10.1.0 or 10.1.1, but there is still room for improvement. I’ am more concerned with the fact that a lot of compromises have to be made to get a somewhat similar looking system to real life.

[crazyscotsman]

Marz:

Just started playing the 2010 demo. Waiting on Xmas for the real thing. Just found out you cannot import tactics? Is this applicable to 2010 created tactics also? Do you have a list of all the settings available by player to set up the formation?

[franklin]

Hey Marz!

I`ve been a fan of the 70`s Ajax/Holland and their style of play for some time

and reading through this thread made me want to give a go at this as well!

I`m going to try a setup with the new tactic system that will be looking like this:

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This would of course mean that you need class players who are able to play in several positions...

Will be testing and updating in this thread if thats okay with you?

Cheers!

[Marz]

Hey Marz!

I`ve been a fan of the 70`s Ajax/Holland and their style of play for some time

and reading through this thread made me want to give a go at this as well!

I`m going to try a setup with the new tactic system that will be looking like this:

One question though:

Have you tried implemented the switching of positions into your tactics?

Will be testing and updating in this thread if thats okay with you?

You are more than welcome.

In terms of players switching position and this is just a suggestion. In real life they always used to do that within their line in the system/formation:-

DL, MC (left), SL

DR, MC (right), SR

SW, DC

MC (centre), S

The above screenshot is very close to how I play when faced with a front 3. Only difference is that I now play the #10 from the AMC position.

[Marz]

Marz:

Just started playing the 2010 demo. Waiting on Xmas for the real thing. Just found out you cannot import tactics? Is this applicable to 2010 created tactics also? Do you have a list of all the settings available by player to set up the formation?

You can not import FM9 (or older) tactic files, but FM10 tactics are not an issue.

[franklin]

Hey again Marz!

Tested for 20 matches now and the first setup needs major improvement!

The :

- Lots of posession. (often between 60 - 70 %.)

- Creates many clear cut chances. (very often 4-6 of them. Had a couple of matches with 8 and 9 ccc.)

- The position switching seems to work very well offensively.

- The sweeper and the central midfielder (Verthongen and Edmilson) are playing very good when switching positions.

The :

- Defending is at times TERRIBLE!! (lots of space between the central defenders and fullbacks)

- Conceedes alot of goals. (especially from set pieces/corners)

- WAY too many of my goals comes from shot outside the penalty area (all players have long shots set to rare

I do however belive that this system has alot of potential to become really good!

Will start from the beginning again and try to adjust the things that aren`t working at the moment.

By the way, are you using the offside trap in your setups?

Cheers!

[grimness]

Have you tried playing 2 and 5 as DCR and DCL with instructions to hug the touchline? Maybe that way they will play wide in attacking phase and get tight when defending, closing the channels for opposition players.

[franklin]

hey grimness.

haven`t thought about that.. trying it now.

A bit sceptical since neither emanuelson og van der wiel is suited to play DC...

Nope... didn`t work..

They just stayed in the center.. tried pushing width to maximum but no change

[franklin]

Hey again and Merry Christmas to everyone!

Been fiddling around with the tactic today and switched from 3 central midfielders to

1x DM (right/central)

1x CM (left/central)

1x AM (central)

Also removed most of the position switching.

The only players switching positions now are the 3 strikers and the DM switches with the MC.

The defensive looks much better with this setup, but it has reduced the attacking threat a little bit..

Still having alot of posession also.

All in all it works much better than the first setup,but still not completely satisfied with it...

Will be doing some more testing and see if I can improve it further.

Cheers!

[franklin]

Now we`re talking!

Beginning to see some good results after hours of tweaking.

Bought Ze Adriano,Otamendi and Bernardo.

Played 18 matches in the Eredivisie, 17 wins and 1 draw. Scored 34, conceeded 5!

13 point lead on second placed Feyenoord.

Qualified from the group stages of the EURO League too in a group with Galatasaray,Maccaba Haifa and Metalist. 4-1-1 and 11-5 in goaldifference.

Lost away to AZ in the 4th round in the AMSTEL cup...

[crazyscotsman]

marz:

Just curious how you start with your team in FM2010. I am currently set up as balanced with standard?

[crazyscotsman]

Marz:

Any chance you will be posting your current tac soon?

[crazyscotsman]

Marz:

How are things with you? Youve been MIA?