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  1. Thanks mate. I used an asymettrical midfield to use DMS in front of the defence to clog up space there like a normal cmd but I also wanted him to extend his passing range and risk to unlock the sides more quickly or be a deep passing option and play like a dlp to change the point of attacks. You can't properly do these with a defend-duty player. Furthermore, I also instructed DMS to close down more to have a more compact pressing in front of the defensive line. It works perfectly for me as long as I have a player with good Bravery, Passing, Decisions, Positioning, Vision, Work Rate and some Acceleration(to track back quickly in case of a counterattack). However, I made a couple of changes to the system to get the best out of my poacher-the focal point of the attack: DLFA PA Here's the same setup. WMS CMA WMS DMS All of these are at least hardworking creative passers. Firstly, WMS sometimes cuts inside to half-space or support attacking fullback or whips early crosses or assists with through balls. DMS, I already covered what I expected from him. The reason why I use a CMA is presses a bit higher than the rest of the roles and sometimes intercepts balls played to the centre and start our deadly fast transitions with direct runs or quick through balls to the striker duo to strike them hard before they understand what's happening. The right WMS is now supporting play on the right flank with early crosses or through balls if he can sense there's space behind the defensive line and stays wider to open up more space for the marauding CMA and stretch the opposition a bit better but still he can also cut in if he sees fit to occupy the right half-space, which is fine by me. FBA CDD CDD FBS The only changes here are changing duties of the fullbacks. The FBA goes high earlier and whips early crosses to the striker duo while keeping the width thus stretching the opposition or plays direct balls to DLFA or -if there's space- balls over the top to either of the strikers while FBS covers CMA's risky play by staying behind or becoming a backward passing option but still you can see him high up the pitch due to Positive mentality when we can control possession in the final third.
  2. Looks pretty logical in terms of TIs and some roles but I have a few questions to understand the system better: How do you find the interaction between WA,WBS and DLFS on the right flank? Don't WA and WBS occupy the same space. How does that help you move your opponent? Doesn't using a defend duty midfielder slow down your fast transitions or do you find you lack passing options on the left flank?
  3. That's great to hear that even amateur clubs try to behave like professional ones to give themselves the upper hand against opposition but eventually I believe money should be the limiting factor when it comes to going beyond your boundaries. By the way, I'm interested in your 442. Can you share your system and give us some info about how you set them up because 442 is also a relatively flexible shape to get what you want in terms of tactical philosophy?
  4. Honestly, I never saw it increase and I didn't need such players because when it's combined with dirtiness it could sometimes mean trouble on the pitch, which is something I don't want.
  5. Have a large squad for rotation and a moderately intense tactical system. Personally speaking, I never care about training when I manage part-timers-it isn't worth time and effort.
  6. It's trained in Programs-->Technical-->Transition-Press. On the other hand, it can also be reduced when you punish a player for a violent behaviour on the pitch.
  7. I couldn't agree more. I am in favour of interacting with players proactively and individually.. It lets me keep them happy and mentally sharp. As you know morale is one of the most important factors in FM with regard to player performance. Everyone capable of playing in the first squad should take their fair share in matches(only six players aren't match-fit). This reduces injury risk dramatically and allows you to play key players in important and tough matches. 23 different players played in the matches and only two players in the first team have picked up serious injuries so far, which is a result of reasonable rotation policy, recruiting less injury-prone players, manageable individual training workloads and moderately intense playing system. P.S: You are a professional irl? That's awesome!
  8. These are the stats with the new tactic against a deep 4-2-3-1 in a European cup match. I have to say it's impressive and looks promising for the future of the club. 11 shots on target out of 20(one of them is a penalty kick) Nearly none of them are from long range despite the fact that we don't have Work Ball into Box active. We limited their chances successfully to a single header- a natural result of a deep block. Sometimes you have to accept it.
  9. This is the plan I had in mind when creating the first tactic: "Have a squad of hardworking physical players and then get the ball around the first or the area close to the second third(this was why he was a CMA) and then keep sending balls to the front two against an unorganized defence due to their failed transitions to attacks and support these attacks with two more advanced players(CMA and WMA) to overwhelm a stretched defence further. It greatly worked against most of the teams and I also probably got the other things right, too, such as team talks, press conferences and individual interactions. I think these are also important when overachieving as you said. I always manage them personally no matter how boring they are. When it comes to the match schedule it only becomes a bit chaotic when the team competes in the Finnish Cup and the league(at most two matches in a week) so I don't need a large squad but every position has a backup just in case and I love playing my most promising youngsters in competitions to increase their match time. They are also in the mix now and then.
  10. It's a very direct style giving immediate support to the striker duo via the cm and right wm. However, some of the teams started to play more cautiously against me and I found my transitions weren't ideal. Most of the time until we reach the final third space becomes limited for my poacher to operate so I switched to this as I have to create space on my own when opposition sits deep. My new system born out of necessity aims to control the left flank and attack on the other side with a quite direct approach and looks promising although defensively we leaked three goals in a goal bonanza(5-3) but I'm happy with the attacking play so I'll keep it for the time being: DLFA PA WMS BBM WMA DMS WBA CDD CDD FBS GKD In short, DMS covers for the marauding wingback. FBS provides cover for that flank and a backward passing option. WMS gives support to the wing-back. WMA(by bombing forward) and DLFA(coming deeper to attract a defender from the defensive line to create more space) provides immediate support for the poacher while BBM is linking up play with attacks and use the depth my poacher creates and waits around the edge of the box and acts a runner from deep.
  11. OUR TRANSITIONS Throughout the season we played with an upperlow block and we gave up on the flanks-remember my backline is slow but tall and able to deal with most of the crosses coming into the area- and restricted them to speculative long shot opportunities. The image above shows how deep my defensive line is and ready for any balls over the top so Klinga decides to pass the ball to their advanced striker drifting wide and has no other choice to advance with the ball so he has to pass backwards to keep possession. Seconds later, their winger sends in a floated cross which Pikkarainen-my best defender- dealt with it easily. Look at the front line. It would be 2 vs 2 situation if we were able to pass direct to our forwards. Jakonen did so and luckily Viitko, their central defender, clears it short and drops back to Jakonen's feet again and he finds Espinosa with a nice through ball but he couldn't bury it home and the keeper tips it wide for a corner and the next attack ends with a nice goal by Wander Luiz. https://i.gyazo.com/1801086016f1e2f742afe826d42f8426.gif These are some of our typical attacks: https://i.gyazo.com/8a0658e00c4496b8e1518777eef5b45d.gif A great direct ball to wide and lovely cross headed in by our converted striker. Note how many players position themselves in and around the box. Jakonen picks our DLFA in time and space after he gets in front of his marker to create space for himself with his acceleration and great anticipation. https://i.gyazo.com/54cbeb4277da690e1a108172ac18db58.gif In the same match, still VPS is pressing high up the pitch so Pikkarainen knows he can't take any risk so he passes it back to our keeper and he distributes the ball to Lehtinen and he finds Virtanen unmarked thanks to our CMA and he finds Espinosa with a great ball over the top. He slots it home from the edge of the box. https://i.gyazo.com/57b244beaaea6f91b23acd57dcc7d3d8.gif Again, Lehtinen gets the ball from the keeper and sends it directly to our DLFA and after a combination passing the ball goes to wide to Virtanen, our left WMS. He passes it back to Lehtinen for an early cross to the far post which Jakonen heads it in easily. https://i.gyazo.com/0651069e9234d3d5ace8d3ea95c601cd.gif Love the simplicity of finding a goal with two or three passes. Here our back-up ex-captain right-back Rahmonen passes it to our young but very powerful striker. He flicks it to our converted striker which he scores the goal with consummate ease. https://i.gyazo.com/9b0367c48bcb1c4e0fabc03a63d28dea.gif Here again our right back finds Espinosa, our goalscoring machine with a long ball behind his marker and then he decides to power it in from some distance. So the tactic has shown it has all of the elements of a successful one. Penetration mainly comes from our striker duo and the right wide midfielder. We have two late runners into the box in the form of our left WMS and CMA. Width is provided by left WMS and right WBS. All of the players have passing options to the sides and to the back to move the ball efficiently to the final third. Creativity comes from our mentality. They are sometimes allowed to do the unexpected to surprise the opponent. Supply comes to our forwards in the form of crosses or through balls by the wide midfielders and full-backs or early direct balls to our front line either after bypassing the press or a failed transition by opponents as a result of our out-of-possession TIs. This is the shots analysis of my last match(6-2) against a strong Finnish Premier Division Side. Lots of chances in and around the box. I always look at whether they accurately shoot the ball and yes, they did in this match. This is my first tactical writing and I hope you enjoyed it!
  12. Of course: Two strikers are told to close down more WBS: Stay Wider-someone should stretch opponents on the right flank Anyone good at playing creative passes(passing, vision, decisions, balance) are told to play more risky passes. In that season, Virtanen, Wander Luiz, Jakonen and Balic were told to do so to create our magic. I also always closed down their fullbacks/wingbacks after they enter our defensive third to win the ball there earlier and start our deadly fast transitions. Thanks, mate and please feel free to share your own systems if you don't mind and are into it
  13. Teams around the world used a number of different formations but none of them became as popular as a 4-4-2. The main reason behind this was its realtively balanced distribution of players to areas of the pitch. It lost its old glory due to the popularity of one striker formations(4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, etc.) which allowed three midfielders to control the most vital area of the pitch, the midfield after Barca's phenomenal performance in Europe and Spain's dominance during 2012 World Cup, a strikerless 4-3-3-0. However, Diego Simeone believed in the power of two strikers while still maintaining the balance of the pitch with likes of Koke and Saul and was pretty strong in the league and international tournaments like Leicester's sensational league win in 2014. Jamie Vardy stormed the arguably best league in the world with 24 goals, which still shows the fact that as long as you have the right players for your system any formation can lead you to success like in my current run with TPS(Turun Palloseura) in the Finnish First Division. In the beginning, everything was going terrible for the side and they found themselves 8th in the league and their manager was sacked and morale was terrible. The board wanted me to build a success story within two months. It was really a tough task with the players in my side. With a slow defence for a short-time remedy I went for a low block, which immediately determined my playstyle in possession: direct and relatively fast attacks with two strikers but there was just one proper striker(Espinosa): He was up to the standard other than his average anticipation and cowardice. So, he became a poacher and I expected him to spearhead attacks, stay central and score a lot of goals-actually he did(33 goals and 6 assists). However, who was going to be the second striker? I searched through the roster and found this gem: He was a natural left-footed full-back but had all of the qualities for a deep-lying striker. He is intelligent, strong, hard-working and he can tackle! I immediately retrained him to be a natural striker. So he became a DLFA and I expected him to link up with the left WM, be an advanced passing option for Espinosa and contribute both to assists and goals chart(18 goals and 8 assists). WML on Support was expected to be a source of width in addition to cutting inside for a bit more unpredictability and create goalscoring chances with through balls and crosses(7 goals(most from direct freekicks and penalties) and 7 assists)-I love this role. Jani Virtanen(32) was the guy and released him before this season due to his physical weaknesses and low workrate. WMR on Attack was meant to be another question mark for the opponents full-back to create more space for my poacher and expected some goals and assists from him by sometimes cutting inside or going wide for crosses with his risk-loving mentality(8 goals 7 assists). He dominated the right flank with his pace, intelligence and dribbling. This was the guy and he is still in my team as a backup: What about the heart of the midfield? DMS- The right-sided midfielder was expected to break up attacks, play risky balls for counterattacks or if it fails, he has to dictate the game from deep and delaying counterattacks through the central channel. So he has to be somewhat fast but intelligent and able to play intelligent passes. He played lots of key passes leading to assists. Dominik Balic was found as a free agent in the transfer market and still is the first choice in the position due to his captaincy despite his declining physicals. CMA- The left-sided midfielder was expected to do all of the tasks Balic had to do, join attacks to be a presence in the box for cutbacks and crosses and able to play direct and risky balls to the front two after a successful turnover of possession in midfield. So he had to be able to move and pass intelligently and he did!(5 goals, 5 assists) This was the guy and I released him after the first season due to his rapidly declining physicals: A good midfield and attack should be supported by a proper defence and remember mine is a pretty slow one. Let's start with the fullbacks. The left full-back on Support had to intercept passes down the left channel, break up attacks, link up with DMS and left WMS and sometimes send crosses from deep for the front duo to latch onto. Sometimes I used him as WBS and took risks and it paid off against stubborn defences.(10 assists) I found him as a free agent. He did what I expected from him with his pace and diligence. Stilll he is a back-up for my left full back: I was as to my right full-back department. Both were gifted with good physicals, intelligence and diligence but I used Peraaho more. I don't know, I liked his attitude on the pitch(maybe due to Tatu's low determination): The right sided wing-back on Support was expected to join attacks more and move into the space WMA creates in the knowledge that DMS will cover him and be a backward passing option and send crosses for the strikers in the box and they did!(Varmanen: 1 goal, 5 assists; Peraaho:2 goals, 11 assists! The most important piece of the spine, my central defenders were terribly slow but tall and intelligent, which was in line with my upper low block and I used three players there. Hradecky was converted to a central defender due to his height and found as a free agent in the market. The other two was at the club when I arrived. Pikkarainen was exceptional at being at the right place at the right time despite being slow and Holma was immediatley released after first season due to being as slow as a turtle. All of them were as follows: What you need in a low block is a good tall goalkeeper who can command his area and stop inevitable longshots. Koponen is up to the task and still is my first choice: So, in short, we used this setup in this season for illustration(ignore newly-brought players): Tactical Philosophy I believe any successful tactic should be good at masking the weaknesses while benefiting from the strengths of a squad. Let's summarize them first: -intelligent and somewhat technical but relatively slow midfielders -a fast and physically strong striker duo -an all-round right-footed winger -slow but intelligent and tall central defenders -good set-piece takers in Virtanen, Wander Luiz and Balic Having both physical and intelligent players and a two-striker formation leads me to a fast-transition wing-based upper low block: -two strikers can finish an attack by themselves in case of a counterattack due to their superior speed and strength -the formation lends itself to partnerships on the flanks by nature -I can't defend higher due to my central defenders being slow but I will be as fierce as a lion and as cunning as a fox when the play is in my defensive third because I can't let my opponent gain any extra time or space for an accurate shot or header. After I get the ball I will have the chance to hit them on the counter or capitalize on setpieces thanks to my great setpiece takers. Possession would be an extra item here and usually not needed due to the set-up. However, getting these ideas across to the tactical creator is another story for us coach managers. So let's get down to it. First, I chose a forward-thinking mentality which I believe is suitable for the style I aim for. Choosing this mentality gives me this across the team: Cautious defenders aiming to play safe balls to the midfielders or full-backs or in case of a danger just let them clear it. I can't take any risks in my third. Positive full-backs will sometimes go for the risjky challenge and get the ball in the sides of my third and adopt a route-one approach to create counterattacking chances or quick crosses for the striker duo. A positive defensive midfielder will allow me to see more risky passes from deep and challenges just like a deep-lying playmaker during a transition from defence to attack and be compact in our low pressing. A very attacking winger and a central midfielder will try to dribble through their way, play more forward passes than the rest of the setup and be an advanced passing option from deep during fast transitions. The striker duo will pin the opponent's defensive line and this should let us perform more interceptions in the midfield due to reducing their passing options during their attacking transitions in our third for more fast transition aiming to get behind them at the first opportunity. When it comes to the TIs, I wanted my mentality to drive the system so kept it simple: Positive mentality already comes with slightly wider attacking width, relatively fast tempo and slightly direct passes, which are hallmarks of a wing-based fast transition style in my opinion. So I just encouraged more early crosses to hit them before they withdraw back into a deep organized defensive shape and I had three reliable runners into the box from both sides: Crosses from the left flank were targeted for the striker duo and the attacking wide midfielder while the ones from the other side allowed us to test sides for more crosses to the striker duo and cutbacks to our left wide midfielder on support and our CM on attack for long-shot opportunities. In Finland most teams utilize two striker formations so distributing the ball to full-backs was the safest option I had and I love counters in a proper low block! Remembering out-of-possession instruction shapes our attacking transitions I set up an aggressive and proactive low block which forces my opponents to play balls quickly in a very small area which leads to turnovers around my defensive third to start my fast transitions. Did the system work in the way I hoped? The first season was a success in the league after I arrived-stayed unbeaten but due to lacking suitable players in the national arena we weren't able to get promoted through the play-offs: The second season was exceptionally good, stayed again unbeaten-only two draws and we added a national trophy after snapping some players suitable for the system: Now we are in the Finnish Premier Division and the team comparison page tells me to go on with my approach. Let's see where it will take us! Happy FMs to y'all!
  14. I'm still doubtful of it especially when we consider there aren't many players who can both keep the ball efficiently and attack with guile and creativity which requires attributes like first touch, passing, composure, anticipation, off the ball, vision, teamwork, work-rate, agility, balance, acceleration +standard role requirements in the bottom tiers. Of course, playing a defensive possession style is an option but still I think keeping it simple is the best way, especially in LLM.
  15. This last sentence sums it up. Instead, I'd use a simple PFS or any other support roles who can drop deep who can combine with the roles around.
  16. How can you go direct to a target man and keep the ball at the same time? The role itself is a ball magnet so he's going to attract long balls to his head and you run the risk of losing possession due to misplaced passes from the back line or his inaccurate flick-ons etc.
  17. Mate, I'm also toying around a 442 in an LLM save(promoted to the top tier but anyway it's a lower rep league so finding any good players without a serious financial backing is really tough and I'm over my wage budget a little bit). Any way, in LLM you can't generally find total footballers. Keeping this in mind, TM and P is a standard LLM approach-a big guy and a small fast guy who can finish, good. I find wingers as a very specialised role they provide width but you should remember you only have two guys in the middle so I found going for hard-working, relatively fast wide midfielders is best for me. They sometimes cut inside combine with midfielders or stay wide to keep the width. They decide that and it helps me stay unpredictable in matches. As the formation has only two guys in the middle. They should provide all of these: ---- providing defensive cover ----bridging between attack and defence ----providing final third support ----recycling possession and switch the point of attacks with good diagonals To perform all of this tasks, imo both of them can be played in a support role. For example, an asymmetrical BBM(providing final third support, bridging between defence and attack) and DMS(providing defensive cover and keep things ticking with intelligent passes) partnership. So if I use a defend duty in the midfield. I'd try to make up for it with an IWBS for one more guy in the middle(should be fast and intelligent-could be hard to find) When it comes to your TIs, why do you try to play out of defence when you are going for a more direct approach apparent by the use of a target man upfront? I hope you find these useful and if you have any questions feel free to ask
  18. I would do that like this: PFS IWS IFS MEZA CMA DMS IWBS CDD CDD IWBS SKS IWS/IFS: Stay Wider, Hold Position------->I'd need width and occupy wide channels until the final third to open up space for free 8s. PFS/CMA: Roam from Position------------>for fluid movement Front three: Close Down More, Tackle harder-------------->to win the ball around the final third in a upper mid block for quick counterattacks
  19. Minimum requirements for me: GK: should be able to sweep balls over the top, good at one-on-ones and be comfortable with the ball at his feet CD and DM: should be able to play the high line and intelligent and fast enough to be at the right place and right time Fullbacks, midfielders and forwards should be able to work their socks off to win the ball and then keep the ball and pass the ball accurately to sustain pressure on opposition.
  20. Maybe I am derailing the thread but mate, I really wonder about the systems you've mentioned, do you mind sharing it with us because analyses of my tactics always indicate crosses as the most frequent source of goals(especially set pieces) in FM20(I still think central play is hard to find) although I just care about setting up a sensible system. This is the reason why I'm still on hold as to FM21. I'm looking forward to reading your feedbacks about the forthcoming update and your reviews in general.
  21. I'm also in the second tier in Finland managing TPS, a part of my Ultimate Challenge. First thing I did was going to the team comparison page. The results told me my players were a squad of physical but slow players with above average mentals and average technicals. So playing a high line was impossible. This immediately formed my type of attack, a mild tone of route one strategy, powered by a standard DL+ LOE but there was another problem. The teams would play cautiously against us as I was predicted 1st in the group. I had to send more players to my attacking transitions. Then, I looked at all of my players according to the dna attributes I determined, which were acceleration, bravery, off the ball, positioning, work rate, jumping reach. That's all. I had two mentally above average slow but towering CDs, only one natural striker, fairly slow but intelligent midfielders. I have to note I converted my natural LB to a striker(DLFA) as he had speed, strength and mentals. I wanted to use a formation with two strikers so I went for an old school 442. The system is still like this: DLFA P WMS CMA WMA DMS WBS CDD CDD WBS Positive No in-possession instructions Distribute to FBs Standard DL, Standard LOE, Defend Narrower All players apart from strikers: Close down more(I aim to compress space to make up for less-than-ideal compactness) WBSs: Stay Wider Players with good passing, vision and decisions: Play More Risky Passes I want my mentality to drive my style as it has what I want: mixed passing style with fairly high tempo focusing slightly on my flanks. Last season I started to manage this team when it was 8th in the league. Players had average morale but with a solid system we kept on winning and only defeated in the play-offs by a Premier League side (I strengthened my squad after the season) This season my team defeated two Finnish Premier League side and now on the way to quarter finals again against a Premier League side, wish me luck:)and leads in the league. I could have recruited better personnel but I can't see all of the attributes so that's expected, I guess. Although I played with a lower mid block I scored one after a setpiece, another set-piece goal and a drilled cross deflected back into the net by opposition LB during a counterattack. All chances and goals came from my converted LB(DLFA). I restricted them to long shots or quarter chances-they were always marked. They only managed to find a one-on-one during a defensive transition from an attacking corner, which shows you have to have a plan in your mind which should be in accordance with the strength and weaknesses of your team. My plan was taking pressure off my team in press conferences and team talks and then in the match, hit them hard after a failed transition and hit the ball to one of my forwards and create a chance from there and it worked nicely. As Rashidi said you don't have to play beautiful football in LLM. Edit: Added screenshots and an explanation.
  22. @sue_donymYeah, you can use a CD under a high-risk mentality with the traits you've meant if you are not comfortable with its tendency to play risky passes, too.
  23. They only try those hollywood passes when they see an opening in the opposition back line. Otherwise on higher mentalities and with right traits you can see a BPD join attacks from deeper and even go to wider areas of the pitch to stretch the opposition. That happens more frequently especially when your team camps around the final third and there is space in front of him.
  24. Watch your games and look at your players' positioning during a defensive transition. You will see opponents will feast on your flanks and this is exacerbated by having only one CB. One ball down the channel, you're in deep trouble.
  25. Iirc, there is no such trait dictating a player to use his weaker foot most of the time.
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