batsy23

Perfect talk but in the game it doesn't work. My experience unfortunately says you can't control anything, just press everywhere and run. That's it, that's fm24 unfortunately.

This is just my experience: Game always dictates one style. When i'm avoiding this style, i can't even see just one beautiful attack or transition. When i make some changes, i see i'm using this "style". What is this style? Attacking & high tempo. Let's say i want to use my target forward to create some link ups. I think i need a mezzala with support role for carrying the ball and i think i need an another midfielder with attacking role. Central Midfielder with attack role suits for this. But with this, i lost the midfield, what can i do? I need to use inverted fullback for the midfield. Good idea, huh? And other side of the field, i think i need a inverted fullback. 3 defenders, 2 midfielders (for rebounds and playmaking) and 5 players for attack. Like guardiola's 3-2-5 but different. And i don't wanna manage elite teams first, so i can't use libero and finding good pressing forwards are easy then finding good advanced forwards. Some think using target forward without wingbacks is silly but i easily change it with deep lying forward or f9. Short passes, starting with normal tempo, using corners and free kicks cleverly and most most most importantly, trying to play realistically with dynamo dresden or galatasaray or santa clara. this is my ambition. but in my experience, you can't do this. the game always discourages me. it's not about winning or losing everything. this is a single player game, i'm not interested in that. what bothers me is that I feel like i'm being confined to one style. I just need a football manager experience but this games is, in my experience, a "find the meta manager". i stopped playing many times and came back again and again like a fool, hoping for something different. so, it doesn't worth. i miss my narrow 4-2-3-1 in fm12 with my amazing regen brazillian tchibo and i miss the younger friend, fm19 too.

Thanks! I also think we need to re-think this ca/pa thing. Let's think of a football player. This football player may be very strong or fast compared to the Croatian league. However, it makes me think that when a Premier League team transfers this player, the player's stats remain the same. Should the player with 17 pace points in the Croatian league be the same as the player with 17 pace points in the English Premier league? It is debatable. Some stats need to be variable. When this player is transferred, his stats(especially physical ones) must rise or fall according to the level of the league. This is what I'm trying to say. Very attacking, double mezzala, too many attacking roles. This is not football. Thank you for what you showed. We're all tired of hearing this, right? All the time they want proof but they don't think this: We're tired. We are tired of witnessing the state of something we love and care about. If you want proof, don't ask us. Because we know what's the situation, and for God's sake, you guys know too. No pkm, no bug report, no proof. We're customers, we have a complaint. And make no mistake, you have to do your job well because you have no alternative.

You're right and this is the root problem. We just want this: If i have right players, every realistic style needs to work. Sometimes we may fail due to morale or injuries, it's ok. Our style of play may be incompatible with the league, it's ok too. Moreover, these are things that should happen. I don't wanna say: "Things don't work, let's all of us go attacking". That's boring and immersion killer. And of course that's not football or football manager. That's not football manager because in the past days, football manager gives us more realistic football simulation experience. You're right with risk/reward issue.

Don't take it personally but for football manager, your tactics are most dissapointing things for me. And i can't agree with you. This. We can't say you can't run everywhere with man city. We say you cannot run everywhere & go attacking like there is no tomorrow with every team. There is no balance in this game.

I read all comments but still i'm on the same page. I still think this game unfortunately follows Fifa or eafc's way. It's a shame. Recently I saw a tactic where the inverted full-backs came forward. With defend duty... I think it is necessary to completely reset the team instructions and create them again in a descriptive way. And of course, every instruction will work with the right players and tactics. If you have right players, okay, play with sitting deep & wait. But no, you need to run, that makes me unhappy.

And usually, whenever you show your tactics, they criticize based on the match engine, not the football. This is my question, is it find-the-meta/play like match engine wants or football manager? I show my tactic on the first post, i have right personal and this is a good tactic for me. It's frustrating that the criticism is about the match engine, not football.

I doubt about their willingness to do this. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who likes to say "it's your tactics". Secondly, they are always looking for proof of the obvious. I guarantee you, I would happily deal with this if I knew there would be a solution. But in the end, generally they say "there's nothing wrong".

There is no problem in the fact that it is easier to set up 4-3-3. Of course finding a dm is easier than finding a raumdeuter or maybe defensive winger. You can easily set up a solid 4-3-3. And after this, you upgrade some players, maybe some tweaks and in-game changes. That is football manager. And of course you keep the morale high with the tactical stuff. But in fm, some one libero all amc formation can destroy your tactic with high tempo, attacking mentality, attacking duties and high press. Why? Because game dictates this. I cannot understand this. I cannot accept this.

In this edition of fm, you can use double attacking mezzala or central midfielder with two inside forward and advanced forward. And the result is goals without consequences.

This. Because of this i delete the game because they kill the immersion for me. Novadays, i just wrote & talk about the games direction. If they wanna walk fifa's way, i don't wanna walk this road.

The problem is that there have been years when the game allowed for other styles. If you had the right players for the tactic you had in mind, or if you found the right tactic for the players you had, you could be successful with tight control. Is the opposing team attacking from the right wing? You would take extra precautions in that direction. Look at the meta tactics, the overwhelming majority say they skip the opposition instructions. This community doesn't wanna "play" "real football" in the "game." We just want this: If we have physically strong winger in our team, we just wanna use him for opponent's weak winger. But this game says no, if the opponent pressing hard, tackle hard, running everywhere, pass into space and using attack mentality, nothing is important. We want to think, create, imagine, select right tactics first and after, select right players for our dreams. We want this because football manager gave us this. We didn't wake up one morning with such a desire. In fm13, i win the bundesliga with hoffenheim. I use 3 amc because i have great personel for this. Game allows me for this. In fm23, i used low tempo for Galatasaray and it worked! Why? Because i got the right personel for this. I can give countless examples. I've been playing this game for years and have enjoyed it with many different formations and many different teams. I don't want real life. I just want to think, create, imagine and build.

Exactly. I don't wanna play this style. I want to find the tactic my team can play. I don't wanna just run everywhere.

Unfortunately, you're proving what i said again. Higher defensive line, step up more, counter press, slightly higher tempo, double mezzala. You're using double mezzala and you're southampton. if it's normal for you, ok. And don't be rude. You can't talk to anyone like that. I won't answer you until you speak in more respectful language. I think we're on the same page. I can't stand too. Did you watch galatasaray-bayern munich matches this year? galatasaray is really good, they're pressing & running 90 minutes. They're lost but they're really good. But when they returning the local league, smaller clubs plays against galatasaray in deep. And Galatasaray had difficulty opening the teams. But in fm, doesn't matter. If you use some "meta things", you'll be allright. You can use your double mezzala in the midfielder. Who's winning the ball? Your attack duty wingers/wingbacks and mezzalas. Who's in the rest defence or holding the midfield? What is holding the midfield? We're waiting another patch but it's same story always. And they will say "buy fm25". Why? How? How we can trust this company? Thank you very much. This double mezzala thing is very unrealistic. Maybe, maybe if you're an elite plus team, you can combine this with ball winning midfielder in dm + double inverted wingbacks with defend or support role. If you're desperate and elite + team, maybe. You said huge gaps in the midfield. You're right, but in fm, this huge gaps isn't important. When mezzala's on the attack & dlp is sitting deep, this gap is at least 30-40m distance. But there is no problem because higher defensive line & pressing more often solves everything.

If i made this tactic just for fun and i win, i'll close the game immediatly. This isn't true. It's wrong in every ways. People doesn't understand this: FM community is different. Most of the players got crazy ambition for football and managing. And when we see something like that, it's broke our hearts. You can use double mezzala or central midfielder with attack role, you can go to the attack like there is no tomorrow. Nobody can't touch you. Massive flanks in midfield? Not a problem, of course you can run like hell in every side of the pitch. But if you try a solid defensive midfielder with a box to box & mezzala with attack duty, no. Why? Because your box to box midfielder isn't going attack like there is no tomorrow. And of course you need to play with high tempo, attacking, high press, high line. Wingers, midfielders, striker, everybody needs to go attacking. You can't use your dlp for link up and score with your mezzala and inside forward. You need to go to the attack with your whole team.

I'm looking this knap & ridiculous one libero tactic again. gyr 433 too. Again, i cannot understand. Right now, i'm watcing real madrid-atletico madrid game. Real scores 3 minute ago. Real starts with overwhelming pressure but they do it with low tempo! When they're in possession, they're lower the tempo and using the ball. They're carrying the ball into box; sometimes with short passes, sometimes with mid-distance crosses. They're holding the midfield and they're using their right back for rest defence. I understand this football. They're using the right wing, holding the ball, run smart. How can you do this in fm24? High press, tackle harder, attacking mentality, dribble more, passes into space. Same thing. I cannot understand this. I regret using double mezzala with attack duty. This is not normal. This is not logical. And for me, this is not football. Everybody loves adel taarabt, ronaldinho & this epic skillset but nobody using them in the midfield with mezzala(a) together.

We seem to be in a dead end street. If we wanna win, The game forces us to play at a high tempo, attacking mentality, high press etc. And if we wanna win and use this type of tactics, we see absurd scores. In FM24, i can't play with normal tempo, dlp-if-mezzala link ups, balanced but fluid tactic. But whenever I align the slider to the right I get perfect results. Perfect like 5-2, 4-1, 6-3. I wanna win matches of course but not like that, not with absurd scores and this bad one way.

Congrats but it's an another run like hell & press everywhere tactic for me... And unfortunately, that's the key for the success in fm.

I know usually last patch fixed too many thing but i have two question: Why always we need to wait last patch? And if the product they make is fm24, how can they say "please buy fm25"?

Sacha Boey needs a massive update.

Unfortunately, you're right. I said unfortunately because you're right and this is not how football works. Of course maybe last five or ten minutes you can send your two wingbacks to the attack, use your midfielders like amc and high press every part of the pitch but you can't do this 90 minute or you can't do this with every team. I try this gyr433 tactic with basel, blackburn, galatasaray and santa clara and results are perfect. Doesn't matter who is your players. Is your wingback can't drible? No problem because you can't lose with this type of tactics. Hard tackle, high press, attacking, both midfielders with attack duties etc. It's bad. Really bad. And i stop playing because this isn't "football manager" anymore. This is "play the way we want manager". Not exactly. And Bayern's attacking mentality it has its own logic. For transition defence, they got kim-min jae, davies and sacha boey. So most of the time, they send too many players to the attack because this players are crazy fast. They can go back quickly. But even bayern does not go attacking with everybody all the time. And of course blackburn, gala, aik stockholm or santa clara isn't bayern. But with this type of tactics, you can do almost everything with any team. This knap tactics kills me. If this is football, I don't like football. If this is football manager, i never wanna play again football manager. How? How you can send your both wingback, midfielders, wingers to the attack and high pressing 90 minutes? Are you playing with hulk, thanos, flash, thor and spiderman? You can't do this with humans. This type of tactics kills me. And the problem is not that they work. The problem is, you need to play like this. If you don't, you're in a nightmare. This. In this game, you don't need to control anything. You need to RUN AND SMASH. Why? Because developers want this way. I Quit fifa years ago because of this. I don't wanna beat zidane, george best, xavi and kevin de bruyne with henry onyekuru and adama traore. In real life football, "meta" is controlling the midfield, choose players for rest defence, attack & transition. If you choose wisely and do little tweaks in time, you're good. But in the football manager, doesn't matter who is in your squad. Go attacking, high press every side, doesn't control anything. This kills the immersion for me. C'mon, even in our friday 7-a-side matchs we wanna control the midfield first. Whoever did this one-libero tactic should be tried in court... I'm not crying, i'm sad because i lost my ambition for football manager. I think what happened to FIFA also happens to football manager. Same road, same mistakes. I'm screaming for two things. First, please correct me if i'm wrong. Second, i don't wanna lose football manager. This game is gave us memories, joy, sadness, even proud. I don't wanna lose my beautiful Football manager playtimes. But if that's the way, i cannot walk this road. Because i don't believe this is football.

Simple question: How is this tactic successful? I'm not trying to tarnish anyone. But i cannot understand. When i make a tactic with deep lying forward, inside forward, inverted wing, one fullback & one wingback, one mezzala with attacking duty & trying to play positive mentality, all i see is totally garbage. I'm trying to play a realistic game that suits my team. So, please look, this is my tactic: Is it so bad? Is it so ridiculous? Is it so stupid? I'm watching football, i'm playing football every friday, i think i know "football" and for me, this tactic suits my team well. But in the game, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. Basel or Galatasaray, City or Blackburn, Santa Clara or AIK Stockholm, doesn't matter, this double mezzala full attacking & running tactic wins everyting. How? Why? I'm in the top spot because for test, last two match i use gyr's c'mon everybody run tactic. And of course it's "perfect". Question is simple: This is football manager or find-the-meta manager? I don't wanna go full attacking with everybody & score nonsense goals. I wanna play a tactical game.

This. This is a problem. I started a santa clara save and when i saw the team, i said to myself "i can build a fluid, delicious team". Positive game. Short passes, normal tempo, far post & low passes/crosses, goals in the box etc. Idea is simple but i got the right personal for me! On the left, fullback/support for the rest defence and inside forward for far post goals. On the right, inverted winger for creativity & fullback with attack duty. On the center area, defensive midfielder with defend duty, b2b for attack & defence balance and mezzala with attack duty. and deep lying striker for connect everything. idea is simple: short passes, score with striker, wings & mezzala. pressing in the high line but don't always run every side of the pitch, because it isn't possible, right? i make this tactic and things go terrible. terrible. i saw gyr's 4-3-3 tactic. advanced forward, inside forwards with attack duties, double wingback, double mezzala with attack duties, high press, counter, attacking mentality... i try this and everything is perfect. but i said to myself it isn't realistic. no rest deffence, absurd attacking roles, absurd pressing etc. so this is my question: is it football manager or find-the-meta manager?

I don't get this "old news" aproach. If it's old, why it isn't fixed yet? How can we believe that FM25 will be different? How dare we say "you should buy the game" to those who download FM illegally? They publish the game with lots of bugs and if we're lucky, in March, some of them will be fixed. Some of them don't. There are bugs in every game, i understand. But the pattern is always the same.

Suffering because of this... I think si games doesn't have anybody who got courage to say "this is ********". New set piece creator is totally a nightmare. And this throw-in nonsense is a game killer. Really. I understand how you feel. And unfortunately, i know the scenario. Send the ball nearest guy, take it back, cross, goal/corner. You can't beat this ridiculous 2v3 scenario. But when you said "this is wrong", they said "it's not new" or "we're taking care of it". If it's not new, why don't you fix it? And if you taking care of it, WHEN?