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Hey all, TLDR - Many cases of only Short Name Change being displayed when full name change should be displayed, I can't seem to figure it out. But it seems to happen ONLY in Portugal (except not to the Big 3) Any help appreciated. I tested several situations, if you'd like to read on... I'm using FM Scout FM24 Clubs Names as a base but trying to tweak it to be a little more to be perfect for me. I like the flexibility lnc offers in this respect. I created 2 small, simple saves to test the changes, both based in Portugal with top few leagues of Portugal, England, Brasil, Germany, Spain added with small database. So, the entry in the FM Scout Clubs names lnc file has this Porto entry. "CLUB_NAME_CHANGE" 1478 "FC do Porto" "" "CLUB_SHORT_NAME_CHANGE" 1478 "Porto" "" If I change club name to FCx do Porto and change short name to Portox and reload the game on the standings screen it reads Portox, and when I click on that "Portox" to pull up the club profile it reads FCx do Porto. Ok, perfect. As, it should be, correct? However, this is ONLY true of Porto, Sporting and Benfica. If you edit the full and short names of (I think) any other team in Portugal (including the B teams of those Big 3) in the Clubs Names lnc file it will display ONLY the new short name at the top of the club profile where it should display the full name. However, everything seems to work fine for larger and smaller teams in Spain, Brasil and England. Arsenal, Forest Green, Palmeiras, Remo, Almeria, Amorebieta and Real Madrid were all tested as Porto was and all showed the correct, unique edits in the appropriate places for full and short names. Additionally, if you take an existing entry in the lnc, and change just the short name for any non-big3 Portuguese club, and leave the full name as is, it will only show the newly edited short name where the full name should go. Further, if you change just the full name in an existing entry in the lnc, and leave short name unchanged, it now shows the short name in the full name spot. Also, if you take a club that has no entry at all in the lnc file (and presumably is using the default names from FM24) and add just a short name it shows this new short name in both short and full name spots. If you take a club that has no entry in the lnc file and add just a full name it now shows the new full name in both full and short name spots. If you take a club that has no entry in the lnc and add both a short and a full it only shows the short. Actually, now that I look more I'm noticing that on I think every club it is now only showing the short name, even if I haven't changed anything for that club. Again, only doing this in Portugal. So, at some point, with all these edits and reloads I must have triggered something that made it do this??? I just created a new save, based in England, and it still shows the changes for English and Spanish teams and Portuguese big 3 teams correctly... but every other name in Portugal outside the big 3 is short name only... I have turned off caching and simulated a few days ahead as well, as well as turning off my laptop and reloading FM fully. I've had some mods (mostly Daveincid realism and related) installed in the past, but I actually completely uninstalled and deleted all FM24 data to see if I could replicate this from a clean install and sure enough it still happens. The only mods I have done at this point is "FM24 Club Names by FM Scout" and "FM24 Fix by FM Scout", as well as deleting the default FM files they suggest. The latter FM scout file edits league and award names, I seem to be able to edit those with no issue. So, sorry this is long winded. But I'm curious if anyone has any insight on why this would be happening.

Agreed, would also like the feature to ask the board to negotiate buying or selling a certain player's clause

Seems to me, even for loans within the same league, in real life (Europe at least) it is not normal that the parent club can recall the player at any time. A clause will sometimes be inserted into the original loan deal allowing the parent club to recall the player at the winter window or, if that clause does not a exist in the original deal, the two sides must negotiate. Maybe the current club is happy to get rid of the salary and fee obligations of a dud loanee or, for a successful player, they could be persuaded by a payment or (commonly IRL I believe) by being pledged a % of the loaned players next sale. In FM, of course, domestic players can be recalled at anytime and foreign loans can be recalled for free within transfer windows.

As, far as I can tell, player form information is simply unavailable for any player outside your club who is not on your shortlist. At least not from Reports>Form... Why is this? For almost any player in a serious league I could get on transfermarkt right now, look up their last bunch of games, see if they started them or not, how many minutes they played, if they scored or assisted ect. For example, here is a game-by-game review of a goalkeeper in the bloody THIRD level of Portuguese football. Why can't I do the same in FM? Seems like an oversight, has been this way for awhile I believe though.

So, sorry to come back to this but I came across a similar situation in a different save (also an FM23 import if that matters) that I thought was worth noting. I thought in the scenario described in the original post, I was just asking for optional fees higher than the AI would prefer. AI should still prefer that over no option at all and not scuttle a deal over it, but ok, I get it. But, in a different save, I got a loan offer and tried to add an option to buy. But I made a typo and the option was for 0 euros, for a very good goal goalkeeper that had been starting in Liga Portugal and Champions League for several years, a guy with a modest salary and a transfer value over 10 million. Adding that 0 euro optional fee and changing nothing else about the loan offer made the AI reject the loan deal they had just offered me. AI was willing to pay me 100k+ per month in fees for this guy, but wasn't willing to even think about buying him for 0 euros at the end of it. Madness!

I've never managed in England, and their work permit system seems crazy to me from an IRL point of view. I, managing in Portugal in FM24 (game imported from FM 23 fwiw), just got a loan offer for a promising young Congolese/Belgian player of mine from an English Championship club. This player in the last 3 years played 23 games in the Slovenian League, then I bought him and he spends half a year (11 games) in the Portuguese Liga 3 with my B team and then a half season (18 games) on loan with a different club in the top Portuguese League and then last season he plays 32 games on loan in Scottish Premiership. All of this activity occurred in FM23. Now I move the game to FM24 for a new season and I get the loan offer out of the blue from this English Championship team, but the red box at the bottom has the disclaimer that he won't be able to get an English work permit. Hasn't played 60% of his nation's games in last 12 months (he has 2 Congo caps) and doesn't have enough points from "league matches, level of league, ect" to qualify. Is this normal for a guy with games in Portuguese and Scottish top level to not qualify? If I was to ever manage an English club how on earth would I ever get foreign players? In real life obviously lots of players move from Portugal and Scotland to Premier League and Championship. Is this a bug, or how it is supposed to be?

Estoril drew Porto in BOTH Portuguese Cups. So, adding on 2 league games, they'll play 'em 4 times this year (already beat 'em twice tho, haha!) It happens.

This is for FM23, but I assume it's same logic in any FM.... If, in a player's contract, I am offering a bonus of 10k each for 1. Avoiding Relegation 2. Qualifying Conf Lg 3. Qual Europa 4. Qual Champions 5. Winning League If I win the league, my player gets 50k, not 30k correct?

Feels like a player rejecting a contract that is identical to his current in every way, except more money, is kind of a bug. Not sure what the game logic of him not wanting the more money is.

Yeah I just had a guy sign for a third division Spanish club for 150k, when he wanted 250k from my second division Spanish club. I think a lot of the complaints about "players ask for too much $" are often overblown and ignore other reasons, but this one just drove me crazy I can't imagine any situation, except for a rare Lucas Perez type personal passion (favorite club, favorite coach.. none of which were in play here) where a guy would choose to play for a 3rd division club, even as a star, than be a impact sub in 2nd division one. A guy might actually take less money to avoid the 3rd tier, which they don't even call "professional" football in Spain (even if it is in a literal sense)

Ok, more madness, sorry. Farense (fresh up from Liga 2) is projected to finish 2nd in the top league! Benfica is also predicted to finish 2nd haha. Porto 1, Sporting 3, Braga 4. So perfectly realistic except for Farense. Gil Vicente and Estrela Amadora (CDEA) are both predicted 11th. Moreirense and Rio Ave both predicted 13th. Like Farense, Estrela and Moreirense are the teams that moved up from Liga 2, so maybe something about that is causing weirdness? And no one is projected to get relegated from the top league! Chaves is predicted 16th (relegation playoff) but no one is predicted to finish 17th and 18th. I just took the Farense job to see what would happen. While the board isn't expecting me to finish 2nd, it is expecting mid table this year, top half next year and Europa Conf League in my 3rd year. Pretty ambitious for a just promoted team, but not impossible.

Ok, I'm looking at it further and it seems funnier. None of the teams in Liga 2 are "predicted" to finish first haha. Both Marítimo and Beleneses are projected to finish 17th and Mafra and AVS are both projected to finish 5th, which I might thought maybe just meant a tie but there weren't other teams also projected for 6th and 7th. But no one 1st! Also, Pacos de Ferreira (just relegated from Liga 1) is projected to finish dead last in Liga 2 while Santa Clara, the other team coming down from Liga 1, is projected 12th. Would be basically unheard of 2 of the 3 coming down from the top league to get relegated again with the other not even finishing top half of Liga 2

Agreed. It's also frustrating when you're just trying to ever so slightly tweak a tactic, like moving a DLP from DM to CM or a wingback from D-L/R to WB-L/R. FM can treat that as new positions and roles to learn, both in terms of their training and knowledge of tactic.

I really like the idea of player-initiated trial! Especially with the chance for it to have a positive or negative effect on youngsters based on their personalities. When a former player of mine is released by another club during his career, I'll usually invite them for a trial just to check in on them sort of, even if I'll never sign them. Also maybe a chance to boost the reputation of a club slightly? A middling club that has a few of its famous youth products come back and train might be a touch more interesting and well known than a similar club without any famous faces showing up at camp?

God yes. And ability to set post-match praise or criticism to be automatic based on their game score. So you could set 7.5 and up, autopraise. Or set, anyone with goal or assist, auto praise. Anyone below 6.5, autocritic. Or auto-warning. Or auto-fine 1 day wages.

Fighting with this more, as I'm trying to loan in some players from Portugal who make less than 70k a year, but the minimum salary to be registered in La Liga 2 is 79k per year. So, I basically can't get the reinforcements I need. I'm also dealing with a situation where I am trying to give a young guy a raise and extension so I can register him. But he's rejected my offer and won't talk to me so I can't register him even if I wanted to give into all his demands. Registration deadline is going to pass and he will be sitting out the season because he won't talk to me so I can both give him more money and let him play! This is driving me crazy! His current release is 1 million, he wants a relegation release in his new deal of just 175k, my poor team is almost certain to go back down, so I'd basically be agreeing to lose him for pennies. I've seen this a bunch, seems like AI doesn't take into account what the current release clauses in a deal are when making demands for new one. I feel like in real life it's rare for release clauses to ever go down during a contract extension, but me trying to keep the release clause the same that is making him break off negotiations, no matter what else I offer This is driving me crazy! In the past when playing with teams in other countries, I've also had issues where I'd loan a young low wages player to Spain, only to see he wasn't playing because he wasn't registered because his wages were too low. At the very least FM needs to give you a warning box before you loan him out that says "hey this guy won't be able to be registered in this league" Really, I think the solution should be when you go to register someone making under the wage floor it gives you a popup box saying, "player makes too little to be registered, would you like to increase wage to minimum?" and boom it is done in a click.