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6 hours ago, RCCook said:
Question regarding the wide role combinations- what does the "!" mean? Is that indicating not to use those two roles in combination?
It’s “use with caution”, not a straightforward yes/no like some of the others, but can work in right circumstances.
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22 hours ago, Robson 07 said:
Not had the chance to delve into it but just wanted to say thanks/well done. For anyone to give up their free time to produce that kind of content they deserve a big pat on the back.
Thank you. It's 10,000 words, enough for a University dissertation! No small effort goes into it, but seeing how many people view and download it and appreciate it genuinely makes it worthwhile.
8 hours ago, Robson 07 said:Needs further reading to absorb all you've tried to cover but I really like certain things such as press/shape, endurance/sprinter and similar tables. Also like the overall quality of presentation.
Thanks, good to hear your view as it's a new way I wanted to cover that section. Midfield had a big re-write to try and format, so glad it has come across to you. I felt the table format made easier visual reference as the last guide had more text than would be ideal.
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2 hours ago, Vizzini said:
Brilliant! Reading it now, and wanted to clarify something. In the part about the Half Back you write: "The Half Back sits in front of the defence whilst in possession, being a passing outlet to keep recycling the ball. When the team loses possession, he drops between the centre back pairing, and splits the centre backs wider, creating a back three. " - Is it not supposed to be the reverse? That the Half Back drops between the central pairing during build-up to help play out from the back, and that he acts as a shield in front of the defence when out of possession?
17 minutes ago, SD said:There's a problem with this paragraph on page 12.
"The Half Back is an inversion of how a Sweeper plays. The Half Back sits in front of the defence whilst in possession, being a passing outlet to keep recycling the ball. When the team loses possession, he drops between the centre back pairing, and splits the centre backs wider, creating a back three."
It's the other way around, the HB drops between the CBs in possession, creating a back three. This behavior primarily occurs during buildup, once the ball progresses into the final third he can take up more advanced positions similar to an Anchorman. Out of possession he sits in front of the backline and acts like a regular DM.
That is what the role does in theory, in practice the HB has two major issues that for me make it entirely unusable. The behavior I described only works as intended with the wide defenders played from the WB strata. If played from the FB strata the HB will still drop deep, but the CBs will not spread as much and resulting back three will be significantly narrower than a regular back three. This narrow positioning makes it largely ineffective at getting past a 2 man press, which is primary reason why the role evolved.
And second, even when used "as intended" with the wide defenders in the WB strata, when the HB steps out from the backline because the ball is high up the pitch, the CBs will keep their wide positioning thus leaving a huge space right in the middle of the defence.
Thanks both, you're spot on it's the other way round. If/as/when I update I'll change that.
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5 minutes ago, carloshcorbalan said:
Hola.....
como la traduzco a español.....
No hablo español.
Si alguien quiere traducir, por favor envíeme un mensaje.
[lo siento - Google Translate]
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Finished the guide, on a new thread here.
@Experienced Defender can you close this thread please?
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Pairs & Combinations - The Ultimate Guide
I am delighted to release the 2020 edition of Pairs & Combinations!
The guide will contain some similar information to last time, but a lot of new information too - taking account of the changes to the game in the last 5 years since the previous release. I have removed sections on formations, playing style etc., and focused much more on the real purpose of this guide - getting a balanced and effective setup for your team, making the best of your team. There are some amazing guides from some amazing writers, vloggers etc. that cover many topics like youth development, in-game tactical changes, style development far better than I do. I have put a lot more into my "how to build a team" section, to try and illustrate the thought process in a clearer manner.
Thanks to everyone who downloaded the last version and I hope this version helps you too - the last guide was downloaded over 1 million times! This is by no means the complete authority on football manager, but they are sensible starting blocks for a team. Please leave any constructive feedback, I'm always happy to hear it.
Please do not redistribute this without my expressed permission.
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Update
Looking to have the updated guide out by the weekend. Some sections have had minor updates, others have been totally re-written.
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Changing the CM(s) to a CM(d) drastically improves the solidity if your team.
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I’ll get to work on an update then!
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On 03/01/2020 at 22:50, Cadoni said:I would upvote for FM20 version. +1
Don't come on here much anymore. Time flies it's been 5 years since I wrote this. No promises but I'll have a think about an update if people are interested.
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Also noticed this happens repeatedly
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I have noticed a few things about crowds in the last few years that could be improved:
- Proportion and variety of shirts - I don't see any crowds wearing third shirts nowadays (it's all home and away), but with far too great a proportion wearing replica home shirts instead of normal attire - especially in winter. Shirts could also see names and numbers appearing from big players in the squad.
- For big occasions perhaps you would be more likely to see patterned tee-shirts in the crowd (so for example blocks of fans in red, the alternate blocks in white for a trophy collection, final, or stadium move)
- In finals the crowds the 2 x teams should have a specific "end" and be more like to meet in the middle on each side, rather than each having a side and each having an end. In bigger finals there are more neutrals/sponsor fans, so we should see a more distinct end each, and the "neutral" areas down the sides a mixture of non-club attire, with some fans of each club dotted in there.
- There is currently the occasional flare, but I don't see any scarves anymore - this plus distinct groups waving scarves and flags (clappers etc. too) in home ends would be good.
- Customised stadium design on the editor - so we can control overall design (separate stands, or bowl, filled in corners or not, length of run-off area or running track)
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On 01/04/2017 at 22:52, ilkork said:
I would also like to thank you @llama3 for the magnificent guides.
I was reading your guides as a lurker 1-2 years ago and they really helped me a lot.Thank you. Much appreciated.
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On 3/28/2017 at 02:23, b28937 said:
This guide more than anything else taught me how to build my tactic way back in FM15. Read it again today and it's still the best guide out there.
Thanks! That's very kind of you. I personally like THOG's Lines and Diamonds guide. What I feel my guide is good at is building logical and balanced tactical systems. I think THOG's is much better at creating styles than mine.
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On 12/9/2016 at 19:43, roggiotis said:
@IIama3
Is it a bad idea 2 BWM(S) in a flat 442?
21 hours ago, isignedupfornorealreason said:Try it and find out?
I'd say you'd be very susceptible to a simple passing move if you have both midfielders as ball winners, especially the supporting ones as they tend to get very high up the pitch.
Interesting really - ordinarily I wouldn't go near the idea. However it just goes to show, the right combination in the right system with the right personnel makes a massive difference. If your team sit deep, but the 2 ball winners quickly intercept and launch a counter attack, then clearly it works!
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21 hours ago, Keyzer Soze said:
Hi, what do you think about this setup?
CF(s)
IF(a) W(s)
AP(s) CM(a)
DM(d)
WB(a) CD(d) CD(d) FB(s)
SK(d)
Do you think that it is unbalaced because i have two attacking players on the left wing and none on the right? I've choose to set the team like this to try to have more space for the CM(a). Because of that, i went with a W(s) on the right... and because of the winger, i choose the FB(s)
It looks pretty good actually. How are you playing with it?
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3 hours ago, roggiotis said:
@IIama3
Whats your opinion about a DW(D)- WB(A) in a flat 442 ?
No reason whatsoever why that would not be very effective with the right personnel. A good example of overlapping and covering.
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On 11/25/2016 at 12:59, menne said:
Hi @llama3, do you think that the partnership full back (support) with winger (support) is a good one? Considering that on the other flank i have a complete wingback (attack) with an inside forward (attack)...
You know I've been suffering with a similar dilemma myself..
The normal caveat I start with is - it depends - specifically on the players. Generally I like to use Support-Attack on 1 flank on Attack-Support. But it kind of depends on all of your system as a whole.
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1 minute ago, daleuk8 said:
I'm finding the flat midfield isn't working to well, so I've pushed them up. So you wouldn't think twice about play two AP's? As currently I've changed my AP in the middle to an AM support? And I've put the AP out wide but I've only got one WB the other as a FB.
Again, it depends on the personnel - I would not have an issue playing 2 AP's, but I would try and get them doing something different (1 attack and 1 support), or having an IF(S) and an AP
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3 minutes ago, daleuk8 said:
If you push your wide men up to the AM Stra, what do you do with the WP?
I would change him into either an IF(S) or AP(S/A) generally. But sometimes I have even experimented with Ramsey as a Raumdeuter. Depends on the individual. I tend to go for 1 more direct wide man, with a WB(S) behind on 1 flank, with a WB(A) on the other flank, with a more technical/creative player coming inside ahead of him to create space to overlap.
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33 minutes ago, faith7777 said:
Initially after testing both systems, I noticed that my attacks were not as effective due to specifically instructing my IF's to mark the opposition wingers, so I have since stopped instructing them to do this and my attacks appear to be more smoother.
I have now changed the STC in the 4-3-3 formation to a CF(s) and I am noticing much better movement, with through balls and even more possession. I also took away the offside trap and close down more as I did not want to disrupt the shape of the defence, so I ended up adding close down much more PI's to the front three and the midfield close down more with tighter marking for both.
For the 4-2-3-1 I noticed that the relationship between the AMC and STC was quite static and I wanted better movement, so I made slight amendments, the STC is now a CF(s) and the AMC is now an AP(a).
Both systems seem to be working well against weaker opposition. However I am having problems away to bigger teams when I use my 4-3-3 system, as my defence seems to have become more leaky. These teams include the like of Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Tottenham and Man City who all mainly line up with 4-2-3-1 formations.
I am playing on FM 2015 btw so maybe the issue lies there or there may be something wrong with my system that I am not anticipating. Or possibly it may be due to the fact that I approach these games on a control mentality, however I have read that when playing away against stronger oppositions it is ideal to use a more offensive mentality in order to exploit the spaces they leave behind. Or is it a case of no matter how my system is setup it is inevitable to fail against such oppositions.
Thanks in advance.
You'd generally find a Counter mentality is better to absorb pressure, keep shape and exploit space behind the opposition.
I'm a massive fan of the CF(s) and find he often really suits those systems. Glad you've tweaked sensibly to isolate your problems. Big thumbs up as lots find it tricky to do that. Good work pal.
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On 8/22/2016 at 22:33, faith7777 said:
Thank you for the reply, I am playing Coutinho in the AMC role and I recently changed him to AP (s), In the STC I've got Sturridge. For the IF's I've taken off the sit narrower PI but left roam from position.
I now play with the following TI's: shorter passing, work ball into box, play out of defense, close down more, use offside trap and prevent short goalkeeper distribution. The team shape has been changed to fluid.
I've added the close down less PI to the CB's and roam from position to the STC. I've also instructed the keeper to play fewer risky passes, shorter passes, roll it out and distribute to fullbacks. When playing teams with wide men I instruct the IF's the mark the opposing wingers.
I also have a 4-3-3 variation for away games with the same instructions and mentality, with a DLF(s), IF's, AP(a), DLP(s) and DM(d), would this be too static?
Do you think that both systems are balanced? Would you suggest that I make any alterations to any of the systems? I would also like to increase possession and I thought about adding lower tempo/retain possession or would this just be an overkill? I was also wondering whether the default close down more on the DM(d) would cause any problems in disrupting the team shape when defending?
Thank you in advance.
Your 4-3-3 doesn't seem to be too static so far. Both seem balanced. Most importantly though - how does it play? Some things look great in theory but terrible when your XI tries to make it work. The DM(D) can disrupt shape, but considering you are closing down proactively it makes sense for the DM(D) to do that too, otherwise it can leave the opponents time and space in front of your defence to play a ball in behind.
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On 8/20/2016 at 16:29, faith7777 said:
Would you advice instructing inside forwards (1 on support (Firmino) and 1 on attack (Mane) duty with wing backs on opposite duties) to play narrower and roam from position in a 4-2-3-1 tactic with my cm's CM(d) and DLP (s) and my amc AM(s) and an AF(a) with standard CD(d) and SK(d).
Mentality is control and team shape is structured.
My Team instructions are: short passing, work ball into box, play out of defence, close down more, use offside trap and use tighter marking.
I also have no other additional player instructions and I have instructed the inside forwards to swap positions.
I would also appreciate any suggestions on how to improve my system, any flaws/ improvements.
Thank you in advance.
I'm definitely not a fan of your AMC-STC combination. It seems so static. With that in mind, narrowing your wide men might congest the centre too much, without any of the attacking 4 really controlling play. Who is playing at AMC and STC?
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Greetings any ideas on how to get this tactic defensively more solid whilst scoring goals too?
GK
WB(s) BPD© CD(d) WB(s)
DLP(d)
RP AP(a)
IF(s) IF(s)
CF(a)
TIs : close down more, stay on feet, whipped crosses, shorter passing, run at defense.
Attacking / Fluid
U might have ur CF isolated at times. I suggest that u use CF(s) or DLF(s). With ur current Attacking Metality, these 2 support duty striker roles are still very attacking even without actually having Attack duty. With a support duty, he'll link up better with ur IFs. Besides, ur IFs will hv more vacated space to run into if ur striker uses one of those 2 roles.Agreed with the above advice in general. The CF will be isolated. However I would always have an attacking duty influence on each flank. I would probably go for WB(A) & IF(S) on 1 flank, and WB(S) & IF(A) on the other. Adds some penetration to the side that you will lose when the CF is dropping deeper in a support role.
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Pairs & Combinations - The Ultimate Guide (Released)
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Thanks for the feedback. It's actually something I covered a bit more in this version than before. Essentially what I am trying to get across is that any forward system involves a pair and/or combination. Even a lone forward in a flat 4-1-4-1 has combinations in it at some point. An Inside Forward, Raumdeuter, Attacking Midfielder, Shadow Striker, even a Mezzala or Central Midfielder (attack) can be considered as part of the pair/combination.
The 3 x main types of partnership - big man-little man, creator-scorer and false nine-false ten can be made up of lone central strikers. So a few examples:
Big Man - Little Man
You could use a Wide Target Man, or Target Man as the big man, as well as some other striker roles like a Complete Forward or Deep-Lying Forward. The behaviour you are looking for is someone who either drops deep, plays with back to goal and/or holds the ball up to form the role of a big man - this can take place. The little man can come from AM (RLC) or ST (C), with essentially a forward-thinking role looking to get in behind. A Poacher, Advanced Forward, Pressing Forward can all fulfil that role as ST (C), but that can also come from a Shadow Striker, Attacking Midfielder (Attack), Inside Forward, Raumdeuter, possibly to a lesser extent an Inverted Winger (but certainly less suited).
Creator-Scorer
The creator and scorer can be switched into any position. The creator can be a playmaker (Enganche, Trequartista, Advanced Forward, Wide Playmaker) or a creative wide player (Winger, Inverted Winger, Inside Forward - support), with a more typical goalscorer (as listed above), or you can use the forward as the creator (False Nine, Trequartista, Deep-Lying Forward, Complete Forward) with a wide or deep player as a forward (again, as listed above - Inside Forward, Raumdeuter, Shadow Striker, Attacking Midfielder etc.).
False Nine-Ten
A lot of this set-up is similar to the example used in a creator-scorer system, but it's more specifically focused on the striker dropping deep and the deeper player pushing forward. A lone forward in a 4-1-4-1 like a Deep-Lying Forward (Support) for example, can find a Central Midfielder (Attack) pushes on beyond him and gets into the box. So it's a pairing/combination again, even though there are yards between the 2 positions.
Does that help?