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You've ticked virtually every instruction under the sun there - what is it you're actually trying to achieve because I can't really tell!
On roles and duties - you've got a lot of attack duties, all the way up the flanks and in the final third - so there is very little dynamic movement in there. Whereas for your secondary tactic, your central midfield is ultra conservative and little link between them and the attack.
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A few ideas for you in here about setting up a back 3:
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Corners specifically I do the following:
- 5 x players across the 6 yard box (back 4 plus tall midfielder)
- 3 x "go back" - basically zonal again in the area
- 1 x edge of area - a good dribbler and/or passer
- 1 x pacy attacker
I don't put people on the posts.
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On 20/02/2020 at 12:41, 10Sammo10 said:
On the wing backs, the description reads to me in the that it’s more an instruction for players to look for the overlap pass rather than to instruct the full backs to make the runs. Is that not how it works in game ?
I'd just suggest swapping a CWB on 1 flank from attack to support - just helps change the behaviour on each flank and create slightly different angles or types of chance
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Any quality striker can score goals in the right system - so you could list virtually every attribute as worthwhile in there potentially. What matters is the right ones for the right system. I think your core ones are on the money though.
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On 20/02/2020 at 05:54, Vinay17 said:
What about an AP(s) ? Too much playmaking roles?
I think it would lead to a lack of dynamism in midfield with an AP(s) - he'll play passes, but your HB & DLP already do that.
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- Low tempo I don't think is the issue, because it does encourage more considered play. I'd say your right flank looks like a challenge to me. A Mezzala drives wide, which is counter to what you want with attacking underlapping runs. The Central Midfielder (Attack) doesn't sound like a sexy role, but it's exactly what you're describing you want. He can contribute with the ball, but he will absolutely make penetrating runs beyond your False Nine. Additionally your right wing back isn't really contributing much - I'm not sure what he adds to your team. If you get him overlapping and getting forward on the right it might create more space. You also need to consider that a Winger (Support) is basically there to get early crosses in - if you don't want crosses, consider a change of role.
- Passing into space could help, but only if you have space to exploit. That depends on how high you're pinning them in - considering you want to pin sides back and suffocate them it won't help much. Width helps you break sides down, stretching opponents towards you before passing round them.
- Your defensive line and line of engagement can be altered to let the opponents out, create space for you to attack into - consider sometimes a high line but lower LOE to do this.
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It does surprise me the amount of people who don't seem to use preset systems and adapt them, rather they go straight for custom. There are tools there to help out which aren't always utilised as much as they can be too.
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1 hour ago, sejo said:
Another question for you, sorry mate: what do you mean with mentally? Thanks!
Good mental attributes for pressing - teamwork, work rate, aggression the primary ones, but determination, decisions are useful too
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1 hour ago, Vinay17 said:
Well guys after 5 days I have tried to evaluate the pro and the contras of my team , and I merge these two tactics that I have into one final tactic, that have some varieties depending the match
Now, the tactic have been working good having a good solid defense but I have some questions about it and I really apreciate another opinion
1) How can I handle with teams that park the bus, mostly in games that opposition is weaker against me, how can I break it? You will se that matches against Brescia, Empoli and Udinese I struggle to score goals
2) How can I get the MEZ more involved into playmaking (maybe changing the role, I have tried a RPM but didnt work)
3) I play on Balanced mentality, most of my games, I just change because Im playing against Perugia at Home
Thats all, I will be glad to hear you guys.
Roles and duties look pretty sensible. The Mezzala you could consider making a BBM, CM(a) or RPM - but only if something is missing in your team. A BBM will stay more central than the Mezzala and a touch more cautious. A CM(a) will attack the space from deep a touch more aggressively.
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8 minutes ago, Aquaplex said:
@llama3 What do you mean by default style? Like one of the presets or no TIs at all?
One of the presets. I start from there, then make tweaks when i see it in action.
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54 minutes ago, sejo said:
I'm not stuck on the 532, I'm just trying to find the best set up
Take it back to basics then - what are your squad's strengths and weaknesses and what style of play do you want to play, that suits your squad?
The article I wrote in this guide at the back explains how I analyse a squad and pick a style - blow by blow of how I do it and what my thinking is - might help.
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You certainly need enough space for the runners to break into and for the Raumdeuter to exploit, so I wouldn't push that defensive line or line of engagement too high up the pitch. You need to let the opponent breathe to give you space. I'd say roles like a CM(a), BBM(s), WB/CWB(s/a) are the kind of deep, penetration runners you need. I think a role like a DLP would be good for distribution and recirculating the ball in and round the WTM and attacking full back.
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12 hours ago, Aquaplex said:
So i want to preface this by saying i'm looking for help with Bayern Munich in FM20. I realize it's a big club but whatever i try, either myself or through reading the posts on these forums, everything just fails or falls apart after few matches. The only time i have any type of success is using plug and play tactics from download section, but i would really like to learn how to play this game correctly. I want to play possession soccer in a 4141DM system if possible. I think most importantly, i want to know/learn how to make changes that would give me success in long term. From what i have seen, (i've started multiple saves with Bayern) is i do okish for about half a season, then everything goes crashing down and i can't score and start losing games all the time. It's just so frustrating. It's deflating when you spend hours having some success only for everything to start crashing down later on in the season when teams "adjust". I've put together tactic which i feel is well balanced, but long term success still escapes me. In my head this is what i envision for my tactic:
There are couple things in my "vision" of this tactic i'm not sure about. I'm not convinced about the IW role, seems i can't ever quite get that role to work properly the way i envision it in supporting the striker. Secondly, i'm not sure if DLF is best position for a player like Lewandowski where perhaps he should be the main goal man, but i feel that PF(a) isolates him or is not quite as effective. Anyhow i'm rambling on at this point.
Thank You for any advice you can provide.
My pairs & combinations guide is designed for a straightforward idea of what works and why. Give that a read. Rashidi's channel on youtube (Bustthenet) is worth looking at as he gives you ideas that you might want to look at with breaking down defensive sides and where/how to press. Stuff from other FM's is all still relevant too.
Your team roles and duties look pretty balanced on the whole, no major issues there. I don't get what you're looking to achieve with your team instructions though. I'd wholeheartedly recommend sticking to a default style and then tweaking it rather than going for a custom style. I suspect just getting the team instructions lined up and a bit of advice on breaking down a packed defence will work wonders for you.
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On 17/02/2020 at 15:54, Manager25 said:
I have just started a preston north end save and I am not a Preston fan so I haven't really watched any of their games so can I have advice on how to replicate Alex Neil's Preston north end tactics thank you
A lot of us here aren't familiar with Preston. Can you describe the kind of style you're looking to replicate?
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On 04/02/2020 at 14:53, Sarriball14 said:
This is my current tactic, results are positive but something is still missing. Im averaging around 20 shots a game but conversion rate is poor. Plenty of 1-0 results. Defensively we arent bad but seem to concede a lot of chances from the down our left side which i cant put my finger on atm.
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I quite like the roles and duties for the most part. I don't think the Mezzala is giving you that much. A Roaming Playmaker or CM(a) might balance the side a bit better. I think your team instructions are very very aggressive - your defensive line, line of engagement, tight marking and attacking mentality are basically pressing ultra-high, so I'm not surprised you're giving up chances on the break.
16 hours ago, W-Walton said:I'll borrow this thread for a question. What pitch size (small, normal, large) is optimal for Gegenpressing?
Well depends on a few things - if your player fitness isn't optimal then a smaller pitch sees you covering smaller distances to press and compresses space better, but larger gives you more room to attack into (provided you draw their defence out enough)
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8 hours ago, BrickCommo23 said:
It's happening again...
Went and won 1-0 at Spurs to setup home to Liverpool and a chance to knock them out of the running for the league.
Alex Telles, for no reason and for the first time this season - gets himself sent off. And then VVD smashes one in from 30 yards. We then miss a succession of chances and so it ends like this:
Title back out of my hands:
Can all happen late. On 3rd season of my previous save I overhauled a 10 point lead with a 92nd minute winner against Man Utd on penultimate game - first time I led the league all season.
Guendouzi bursting through was shades of Michael Thomas!
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A defensive system isn't inherently supported by having more players in defensive positions. I think that type of system could see you really pinned in without as much of an outlet.
So defensively you want to be more compact, which you achieve with many of those instructions you have for transition and defensively, it is your offensive plan that is a bit confused - how are you planning to attack? Is it direct balls over the top, is it quick passes and ball carrying? The instructions you have there for in possession look like what I would be doing for a Control Possession style, not for a counter style.
I'd probably set your team to a 4-1-4-1, it's still very compact, but you can control the space a bit further in front of your own area and can break out a touch easier. The Wingers being back in shape will be a much tougher block to break through.
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- Likely formation - so for context I play a 4-2-3-1, I need to know if I am going to get outnumbered in central midfield, or if the opponent is likely to sit particularly deep
- Opposition playing style - am I playing into the hands of a rapid counter-attacking side? Do I need to be more cautious instead?
- I tend to have 3 x clear presets - my ideal style and formation (4-2-3-1 Control Possession), my ideal style with alternative formation (sufficiently different to be of use) (5-2-2-1 WB, Control Possession), a plan B style with suitable formation (4-3-3 DM Wide, Fluid Counter)
I look at them in general for stand out information on form, goalscorers etc., but overall I will generally keep to my presets, with slight tweaks to instructions like defensive line and line of engagement
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2 hours ago, scousevasey said:
I get the idea with the Winger and Wing Back combinations, but the original aim with Inside Forwards was to get players in the box to join the AMC-SS. Maybe one pairing on each side would work to improve at both ends
I have no experience with the SV but the role description didn’t seem to match my first aims (obviously the combinations of roles takes on more importance in a formation like this as there is very little room for error). I may make a v2 that includes this role to see what developments take place
Basically the thing with width is that someone needs to offer you width from somewhere - if you have the wide attackers going centrally and the wing backs going centrally or staying back you're going to lack that. This formation has the default strength of natural width and a solid centre - so there are things about this that can/should make this work. Basically if it is a Wing Back or wide attacker, make sure someone offers width in the final third.
As for the Segundo Volante, my thought is to make sure someone gets forward out of the deepest line to support transition and the attacking phase. I wondered if a Regista would lack people doing enough running around him and expose him too much. Perhaps a DM(s) would get forward but show enough positioning discipline.
I like what you're doing, thinking outside of the box somewhat!
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It's only your MR that I don't really get. He's cutting into quite simply the most congested area of the pitch. I'd be looking to get him a bit further down the flank, looking for the overlaps in the final third with Semedo. That improved creative option might help Lautaro Martinez too. My only other thought would be to get your ST (LC) and AM (RC) to swap duties, so that Almada gets forward and Martinez links play - but I don't know how well that suits either.
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- I think having a support duty centre forward would be a good idea. Especially with a Mezzala breaking forward from deep too.
- Your duties are otherwise well spread
- I'd probably change your FB(s) to a WB(s) to offer width in the final third when the IF(a) moves inside
- I think having a FB instead of a WB is a useful adjustment to allow you to keep the Mezzala. Basically the right hand side looks fine to me.
- A DLP(s) CM(s) are both absolutely grand.
What kind of style are you looking to play, because its only your roles and duties that we can see for now...
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I also agree with @SD that you're on the right track.
- I think your right flank has quite a large disconnect between the W(A) and FB(D) - they're just so far apart. I'd consider a FB(S), just to help close that up a touch.
- I'd probably switch your Carrilero and Mezzala around - so the attacking player is next to a support player. I'd also just think about the roles themselves actually - both naturally sit wider, and I am not sure that you really need that in a system with a wide pair on each flank. I'd concentrate on roles that stay in the centre a bit more - a BBM(s) and CM(a) are perfect and offer a really balanced midfield - they will do similar functions to the current roles but better balanced and sit a touch more central. Of course with central midfielders pushing to support the attack, consider a support duty for the lone forward (recommend it if you want possession play as his link play will be much better, but if you want to play on the break or direct, then an attack duty will probably be more worthwhile).
- I'd strongly suggest using the presets first, then tweak them. I really don't understand why both tactical setups you have picked are so wildly different from each other. I don't really understand the overall game play in either case. I'd recommend starting with a default, then tweak instructions after you see how it plays.
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My 2 cents here:
- Surely the great advantage of playing like this is to be extremely compact - either pressing or counter-attacking. Given that this is with no defensive line it would lead you more to being a pressing side
- Thinking about roles and duties, I'd probably setup with something like this:
W(A) - AM(S) - SS(A) - AP(S) - W(S)
IWB(S) - A(D) - SV(S) - A(D) - IWB(A)
- Basically my thinking is - as you play wide wide players anyway, your wing backs might help you out centrally playing as Inverted Wing Backs. I'd set a pair of very disciplined central, defensively minded players (like Defensive Midfielder or Anchorman). I'd make sure that you have someone pushing out centrally with some forward movement (so either a DM(S) or SV(S)) - this gives you up to 5 players who can link up centrally and play passes into each other (AM, AP, IWB, IWB & SV).
- I'd focus on having a possession and pressing focused system of play. I'd look at experimenting with your defensive line and mentality to make sure you set up a defensive line high up in your own half.
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Relative Importance of Attributes for Strikers
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But that depends on how you play and if that suits the forward. If you are creating crossed chances and headers, then jumping, strength, heading etc. are key. If your centre forward is finishing chances in tight areas in the box, I'd say agility, balance, first touch, finishing might be relevant there. If a striker goes clean through, it's pace, acceleration, composure, finishing. The question has to come back to - are you creating good chances regularly?