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5 minutes ago, Strikerir1 said:
So I'm going to put back the wingers do I put them on attack or stay on support
As you're trying to play a more fluid counter style, than a direct counter style then I'd say support duties are more helpful.
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11 minutes ago, Snorks said:
A solid, balanced approach with a few tweaks to suit the match is the way I approach it, a bit like real life really.
This is the ideal - having a solid system, where you can just introduce a tweaked instruction or 2 from default each game, or a slightly different player in a position can make a real difference.
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39 minutes ago, davke1904 said:
Hi mod,
At first thanks for your reply.
Secondly I must apologize it took me so long, just because I'm a weekend gamer, busy life...
I send you my formation and the players I think are the best in that roles.
I must confess I took my safe and did a lot of holiday modes with tactics I found on the net. Found a few good ones but none with an AM, because I bought Olmo of Zagreb and Morelos of Rangers.
What style are you looking to play? That's got to be your first question really...
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33 minutes ago, andyzinc said:
Would a standard or direct passing improve it do you think ?
Take it wider than that - assuming you want to do what the board asks and play with a high tempo pressing, possession and defensive solidity, I think you're looking at something like a Control Possession or Tiki-Taka type of template.
Possession football is based on pressing to win it back, as well the obvious passing to keep the ball - so you're looking at a style that focuses on shorter possession to keep the ball and build possession.
So, advice more specifically:
Team Instructions
As you are asked to press and keep possession, I'd suggest a high defensive line and line of engagement - check out Rashidi's youtube channel, he had a great video last year discussion, high, low and medium blocks. You're in need of at least a medium press, or a high press.
I'd reduce the tempo, because possession football is about drawing opponents towards you and moving them about to create gaps. It needs some patience, so a lower tempo (or at least a normal one) will help with this. I'd use width intermittently. If you're keeping the ball then being narrower can be helpful, if you're stretching opponents then sitting wider can be more helpful.
Player Roles and Duties
Your point on the MEZ(a) and IWB(s) is fair. The Mezzala will occupy half spaces though more than actual wide areas, so you will still lose width on the left flank. Just look at the analysis squares on your tactic - that left flank isn't great.
It's fairly balanced overall, so it depends on if there are specific issues with how certain aspects of your game are working - but aside from the IWB, I'd suggest make team instruction changes first then see how it's all working.
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3 minutes ago, Strikerir1 said:
This is the tactic... I know 4231 it's not the optimal formation if its better I'll change it to a 4411. (I took picture because for some reason I can't screenshot)
I went with the 4231 because I wanted my Trequatista to be the kingpin of the counter attack I want him to hold the ball or play the final pass and that's the reason I've pushed the wingers up so they get forward enough without being Midfielders on attack maybe they could work in the mid strata on support but I want your guys opinion on that. I want to win the ball in midfield that's where majority of the counter attacks start in real life, that's why I choose a bwm and instructed the btb to tackle harder and the wingers to press more and tackle harder.
In possession I went with the pre set fluid counter I just added work ball in to box so we make the most out of our chances.
I'm transition its counter and regroup with distribute quickly
Regroup because I don't want to get hit over the top especially with a top heavy formation
Out of possession
It's Slightly urgent pressing
Standard d line
Lower line of engagement
And tackle harder
So the counter-attack needs something resembling a compact defensive shape - having the wide players up, as well as an AMC really robs you of that. I'd look to go 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-3 DM Wide to make sure you get some numbers back. I'd suggest removing work the ball into box, that stops long range shots and crosses - you kind of need both, especially crosses when playing on the break as it's about exploiting space quickly. I can understand the reason why you'd want to regroup, personally I think you'd be better off counter-pressing still, but that's the kind of thing to try and see what works best.
On to your Trequartista - so this is obviously going to depend on if you switch formation - ideally when you are playing on the counter, you need some numbers up field to play the ball too. Yes, a Trequartista will do that, he will not run in behind though like your AF will - now that's fine - what you need to observe for is - does he get given the ball, does he have options when he does, does he dwell on the ball or play it quickly in behind the opposition defence - if the answer is no, I'd reconsider his role, but if he is doing it, then keep it. The most notable thing about your BWM is that it's really ill-suited to counter-attacking. He doesn't stay in shape, he leaves shape to put pressure on - and what is dangerous is if he is the only person doing it, creates a gap and opponents exploit it. I'd definitely recommend changing Lerma to something more like a DM(d) or CM(d) depending on what position you play him in.
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27 minutes ago, mdoe said:
I'm going to play a few games now to see how the changes affect performance.
Spot on - the worst thing you can do is multiple random changes, with no idea what has made what impact. You'll get this nailed - good luck
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- Why do you want to play so wide when you have a system with only a single wide player on each flank?
- In a 4-1-2-1-2 your 2 x central midfielders need to offer some movement in attack - a DLP is not a great option at MLC or MRC in this formation. It would only suit the DMC role (which clearly you want an Anchorman to use). You could instead consider playing a box midfield (a 4-2-2-2), which could allow you to do something like this with the deepest 4 players:
A(d) - SV(s)
WB(a) - BPD(d) - BPD(d) - WB(s)
- That would allow you to get forward more aggressively on one flank, keep the anchorman, get a deep runner supporting attacks too and keep 4 attacking players up the pitch
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- The IWB is not great when he is a lone wide player - you're basically volunteering not to use the left flank to create any chances - that's 1/3 of the width already gone. You need to have a proper wide outlet of some sort.
- I'm just a bit unclear how you're trying to attack - you have a high tempo, but seem to want to retain the ball, which is generally counter-intuitive. As such it's hard to offer much other advice on roles and duties - the duties are pretty balanced, the roles are ok-ish but I think it's a lack of clarity of how you want to attack - how do you want to create chances?
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Hi there, thoughts are:
- Your roles and duties are ostensibly quite sensible and balanced - there is nothing majorly wrong there. I'd personally move your MLC & MRC around - the DLP is slightly better suited to playing in balls ahead of the IF(a) and the MEZ(a) bursting forward might help create space and options for your IW(s). I think the MEZ(a) and IF(a) are both going to get in each others way a touch. I'd consider making the MEZ(a) a CM(a) to stop him drifting wide and get him to focus on getting into the box more.
- I think your main issue is that you just have no space. You have a positive mentality and are pressing very high and aggressively - you need to let the opponent breathe a little, or they won't vacate that space at all. In games you are really struggling to break down a packed defence, start stretching play wider (literally increase width), so that you can create more lateral space. Your pass into space isn't much use right now when you're squeezing your opponent so high, but by just allowing them to come out a little bit more, you might have that space to encourage pass into space instead.
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38 minutes ago, Polski97 said:
winning style for a change. I cant get a result against any team.
From a review of my team,I feel like i get not enough men going forward and I am also exposed at the back on the counter
Can I suggest you have a read of my pairs & combinations guide - it's based on getting a sensible style together. There is a section on building a team which might give you some inspiration.
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25 minutes ago, W-Walton said:
Thanks for your input.
- Do you believe that it's to heavy with the attacking up front? What do you mean with "not sure where the width is really coming from"?
- Would it be better with 1 AP(s), 1 DLP(s) and 1 BWM(d) in the center?
- Distribute quickly is just because i feel there are openings in the field that you could take advantage of, before the opponent covers up with their formation. Wether or not you're looking to counter or set up plays.
- Higher tempo is something I feel that suits my technical players. And that they are capable of playing it. And if i play at a normal/slow pace I tend to loose the ball by being pressed.
- I'm not looking for a pure high possession football nor direct play. Probably something in between or a mix of it.
edit; and the underlap is for the inside forward and the inverted winger.
- All 3 x attacking players on attack duty, all coming into the central area of the pitch means they are all essentially trying to do the same thing - dribble and score - nobody is making runs or space for each other, or creating for each other. At least one of these players needs to be on a support duty. A poacher is not always a good role for a lone forward - his teamwork isn't great and doesn't link up so well. If you had for example wingers creating for him (I'm not suggesting it, I'm illustrating the example) it would be less of an issue as you'd need someone to stick in the centre. However, choosing the right roles and duties is really dependent on what style of play you are trying to achieve...
- See above - the "right" combination depends on your style of play. You've indicated that you like to play with a good tempo and exploit space - a good strategy in itself. You can either do this by counter-attacking (sit deep, then attack the vacated space) or by pressing high up and using a Gegenpress system to force turnovers. They are both quick in attack, need attacking duties and numbers high up the pitch - but they both defend in opposite ways. A counter style needs to sit in a compact shape, draw the opponent on, then spring the break - sitting in shape is something a BWM is not good at, because he leaves his position to shut down opponents. If you are pressing high, a BWM is much more use because he will deny space, force turnovers in dangerous areas and initiate rapid attacks. So your decision to make is - defend deep and in shape, or press high and force turnovers. Once you have decided that, it determines if the BWM is going to be suitable. As for the rest of your midfield, AP(s) aren't really renowned for quick attacking football, especially with 2 of them. Again, depending on how you attack (quickly playing into space, or driving with the ball) should decide what roles suit you. It's hard to go wrong with a Box to Box Midfielder in there as one of them. I've got some suggestions in the Pairs and Combinations guide I wrote for setting up your midfield 3.
- Once you have decided how to attack, get some variation in your front 3, I don't know your players so well, so you'd need to decide what is appropriate, but you try something like these (or mix up, there are so many combinations)
- IF(s) - P(a) - W(a)
- IF(a) - CF(s) - IF(a)
- IW(s) - PF(a) - IF(a)
Good luck
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9 minutes ago, Polski97 said:
issue I have is that it may work for one or two games ... and then what? change again ?
Changing tactics every game will not help your tactical familiarity - get a sensible style together and stick with it. What kind of style are you looking to play?
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A few thoughts:
- You have all attack duties up front, all trying to play in the centre - not sure where the width is really coming from, or the variation in attack.
- I'd say 2 x AP(s) and a BWM(d) is a very aggressive midfield which won't offer as much protection.
- I'm not clear why you are trying to distribute quickly and play with a higher tempo, yet at the same time underlapping and work the ball into the box. It looks like there is a confusion of styles - are you trying to play quickly and exposing space, or trying to play possession football?
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1 hour ago, Corperate said:
I am wedded to both anchorman and 41212 system. I will find a way :).
You could try and play with something resembling a more counter-attacking style? Would allow you to keep your Anchorman, yet a fluid counter style would allow you to build play progressively instead?
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2 hours ago, Strikerir1 said:
Thank you for the reply I've never thought of using the pre sets especially counter attacking ones because I see that a lot of people don't have success but I'll try tweak it to suit not only my players but what I'm after. Yes I've watched your videos on counter attack but I still couldn't wrap my head around it but I guess I'm going from the pre sets up. A question thought can I try any other formation like a 4231 dm or maybe a 4141 aka 433 or any other?
I use the presets a lot, then making minor alterations afterwards. It's always a sensible base to start from - do make changes, but I'd recommend just spending time to see how such tactics are setup in the first place. Out of the 2 x counter presets, you can choose to make use of a couple of rapid, direct passes, or you can make use of quick interchanges and ball carrying instead (fluid). That all depends on your team - do you have technically strong players, or quick and powerful ones? Do you have an excellent deep distributor or a real talented dribbler? They will all inform that choice on how you go about it.
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A few good articles around about it, but this one might give you a few ideas.
I'd basically consider it one of 3 ways:
- If have good long range shooters, make sure they lurk outside area, you might be able to aim to pull your corner back to them
- If you have little aerial threat, but good technical players then play it short and build a chance up that way
- If you have aerial threats I generally have them attacking either post and aim for the 6 yard box - corners not my area of expertise!
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Probably in line with the fact you have made the play offs - there is nothing majorly off with your setup. I think you're looking at a few tweaks more than anything drastic. Thoughts:
- Not sure a Pressing Forward benefits you when your defence is sat deep - I'd definitely reconsider that role. A DLF(s), CF(s), F9(s) or TM(s) will make that role work better. He'll still also be able to create space and/or combinations for the MC(a) & IF(a) too.
- I'm a bit confused about how you're trying to create chances - playing out from the back means short distribution from the defensive line, but then you ask for direct passing - it's like you play short first, then once it hits your DLP(s) they play it long. I'd suggest looking at Direct Counter and Fluid Counter as templates for how you might want to play. Is it a case of you want rapid passing (direct) to break the lines or do you want quick combination play and ball-carrying (fluid)?
- I can't answer for Vose or Monakana's finishing - attribute screenshots may help.
Hope that helps
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The diamond lacks penetration - the deepest player defends, the middle player support and the highest player attacks - this just creates gaps, but does not promote dynamism. There is a real lack of movement in that midfield too - as a midfield unit, you need some lateral movement in there.
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I think Haaland would complement the system as a whole better as his original CF(S) - this way he will link play better, offer another passing outlet. Right now, I'd expect Pepe to simply run into an area that Haaland already occupies - by dropping off slightly, Pepe can attack the space more.
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The sheer aggression of your team in trying to win the ball back is the opposite of what you want an Anchorman to do - really he only suits systems where he sits deep, stays in position and shields the centre backs. Depends on if you are wedded to an anchorman, or wedded to a 4-4-2 Diamond.
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I'd echo the advice given already, but you also could use "work ball into box" to try and reduce the aimless crosses. I think your squad has crossers, creators, but little penetration or goalscoring threat.
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Agree with the above points - your players shouldn't be setup in isolation - you need to consider who they combine with and how the roles and duties interact. A Wing Back (Attack) and Winger (Attack) will both be trying to cross from the byline, driving aggressively forward - it's about how to get players working in tandem to complement each other.
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4 hours ago, matt_afc said:
Cool, thanks for the Saliba intel. Gonna stick with it!
Just give him the game time. He slots in well enough. Just be brave with him and he'll develop rapidly.
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1 hour ago, matt_afc said:
How are people finding Saliba, out of interest? Any one more than three seasons in of use and got a good read on how he goes once he's 21+?
I'm in season two and have started him 90% of PL games (13 games in) as I'm keen to develop him to try and meet his full potential. We've won 12 drawn 1 so going really well in general (but tough games to come) and he's slotted in without trouble so far. But interested to know what his general development is like if anyone else has longer term feedback. Below is what he looks like for me so far, but still young. Physicals pretty good so far but hoping for more development in mental and technical. Not being impatient, just interested in feedback!
In my previous save, in 3 seasons he was excellent. Very high physical attributes - but just developed well for regular game time.
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Advantages of an Anchorman
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Yes, but you asked about using a DLP - I've explained why I don't feel you should use a DLP in an MLC or MRC position.
Again, if you want to use an Anchorman, don't press high - I've suggested using a fluid counter style system which you could make work with a 4-1-2-1-2...