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  1. I certainly agree with your overall rating of Son for the most part and it's only some very specific aspects I suggest changing. Just like you put it, he has excellent finishing, but his composure does fail him on occasion so I have no problem with his numbers for those, although it can be argued that based on his recent output his long shots could be +1. He rarely goes for challenges and even though he does put in the miles and track back opponents, he's often half-hearted in harrying them, not unlike Eriksen in this regard, sticking just to denying passing lanes. He also doesn't seem to be particularly fired up when the team is chasing a result with Poch often subbing him in these instances, so all in all this makes me fully agree with your ratings for aggression, bravery, determination and workrate. Sometimes he is trying to make one dribble too many, but it feels to me it's less out of selfishness and more due to poor decision-making, so his decisions and teamwork are also in good order. I also agree with your assessment that he's an intelligent player, which is evident not only in his superb movement, but also in the way he closes down, always looking to think one step ahead and preemptively move to where the opponent will play the ball. Yet rated at only 13, his anticipation is in fact lower than the PL average of 13.26 according to the in-game reports, so something like 15 for anticipation would be more fitting for a player of Son's mould. His passing accuracy is surprisingly high for an attacking player, so him being rated the same as teammate Lucas Moura(12) and much lower than Erik Lamela(16) is unjustified in my view, considering they play in the same system and have similar numbers of passes, long pass attempts or key passes. I suggest increasing his passing to 14, perhaps giving him a Plays Short Passes PPM, but either way, with his 12 vision and 13 decisions he's at no risk of becoming a playmaker. But where I feel his attributes fail the most in reflecting his real life ability is dribbling, not the dribbling attribute itself, but the overall combination of attributes relevant to the success of a dribble. Son's attributes affecting the action of dribbling are markedly lower than other players who I feel they're in the same tier as him. If it can be argued that Mane is somewhat on the upper bounds of Son's league in terms of overall effectiveness, I have picked for comparison 5 players who are playing for top 6 teams and who are either level with him or arguably on the lower bounds of his tier. These players are, in no particular order: Pedro, Martial, Mahrez, Shaqiri, Iwobi. Successful per 90 Total per 90 Success % Dribbling Technique Agility Balance Flair Acceleration Son 2 3.2 62.50% 15 15 14 11 13 15 Pedro 2.1 3 70.00% 13 15 18 14 15 16 Martial 1.7 3.5 48.57% 19 16 16 15 19 18 Mahrez 1.5 2.3 65.22% 17 17 17 15 17 15 Iwobi 2.3 4.1 56.10% 15 15 15 14 15 14 Shaqiri* 0.5 1.4 35.71% 15 15 17 17 17 15 *Shaqiri's attributes may seem farcical at face value, but if you use 17/18 season numbers when he's played extensively at Stoke they become more reasonable with 1.2 successful dribbles per 90, 2 total per 90, for a 60% success rate. Now, their respective team's tactical style certainly plays a part, as well as players hitting a purple patch or a slump in form. For instance, this season Mahrez is making less than half his dribbles per 90 compared to his time at Leicester(success rate improved significantly, though). I also realize that numbers do not tell the whole story and watching a player in action is key for adding context a lot of the times. Sticking with Son as an example, watching him play you notice how he sometimes tries to beat his man or gain an edge from the first touch of the ball, which is more a more technically demanding, high risk - high reward move that explains some of his relatively high number of poor touches(2.8) as well as why they appear to have doubled over the course of his career(he averaged around 1.5 poor touches in his Bundesliga years, then going from 1.8 to 2.3 to 2.5 and now 2.8 over his fourth season in the ELP). The numbers of his teammate Erik Lamela are on the other hand much better, with 1.6 poor touches per 90, so you'd be tempted to think his first touch is that much better. Watching the latter play, though, it looks to me he's simply not as audacious when receiving the ball, often taking multiple touches to bring the ball under control before looking to play it. So where do I feel that Son's dribbling ability is underrated? The jury is still out on this one. The numbers do point that he is underrated, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is. I'm inclined to think it's acceleration, balance and flair, but don't quote me on this one. After much rummaging through stats, this is how I envision his profile. It would put him at CA of 161, which is reasonable for a 1st teamer of the 3rd placed(for now) PL team and CL quarter finalist, who's on his 3rd season hitting double digits in goals.
  2. Currently the way to do it is manually, though the PPM training interaction, but I feel that option is limited in scope and as far as I can tell the AI does not use it at all. I know that some people don't care much for this aspect, but if real life is any indicator, most elite attacking players are able to strike the ball reasonably well with both feet. Granted, for some of these players this came naturally, but for many players it's something they improved in their late teens and early twenties. This tendency is also reflected in the database, with older players being disproportionately represented among the ones with good(12+) rating for their off-foot. Or in how the off-foot rating of these players has changed in each iteration of the database. There are of course exceptions, Robben and more recently Salah come to mind. Also, the majority of players never reach the point where they can be considered accomplished with both feet. So I'm not suggesting that this progression is something that happens on its own every time, and to all players. But since researchers will rightfully rate most young players as mostly one-footed when they leave their junior years, and at the same time they may not always know which of these 16 and 17 year olds will end up improving this aspect of their play. Of course, the way I envision it, the chance for progress in-game can be modified by any number of variables, such as being skewed in favor of high CA/PA players, technically gifted ones or playing in advanced positions. The likelihood and variables are up for debate, but I believe a sami-random progression path affecting a minority of players is required, if we want the 16-18 year olds at the start of the game to resemble the 25+ year olds when they themselves reach that age.
  3. @diddydaddydoddy @GSevensM75 This post started as a reply to someone in the Spurs thread who mentioned Heung Min-Son fails to deliver for him, to which I was trying to argue that he's slightly underrated compared to his IRL self. So I went on to compare him to someone like Liverpool's Sadio Mane, who I felt is around the same tier in terms of effectiveness, and I was shocked at how underrated Son is compared to him. The numbers below are for their current season in the Prem. For starters, Son has a pass completion of 85% over the course of this season(last one as well), with a decent output of 1.3 key passes per 90. Mane has a 77% pass completion with 1.1 key passes, yet the latter is rated 14/13/14/14 in passing/vision/decisions/anticipation vs Son's 12/12/13/13. Mane makes an average of 1.7 successful dribbles out of 3.2 attempted, for a 53% success rate. Son averages 2 successful dribbles per 90 out of an identical number of 3.2 attempts, for a 60% success rate. In FM Mane is rated 16/16/16/16/15 for dribbling/technique/flair/agility/balance while Son is rated 15/15/13/14/11. They both have a similar number of poor touches per 90, with 3 for Mane vs Son's 2.9, yet Mane's first touch is rated 16 while Son's is rated 12, with 16 vs 15 for technique. Only 13.6% of Mane's crosses this season have connected vs Son's 35%. Granted, we have Kane and Llorente so this muddies the waters a bit, but this is another area where Mane has a clear advantage in-game with 14/16/14/13 for crossing/technique/anticipation/vision vs Son's 13/15/13/12. In terms of finishing, Mane does have more goals this season with 14 vs 11, but if you consider the minutes played, it becomes one every 162 minutes played for Mane vs Son's 145. It needs to be said that Mane does manage this from fewer shots, 2.5 per 90 vs Son's 3.2, and with a better conversion rate even if you take out long shots - 27% vs 22.5%. This is not the whole story though, with Son converting 70% over his xG from close range vs Mane's 65%. All things considered, the players are rated fair-ish in this regard, with Mane having 15/16/14 for finishing/technique/composure vs Son's 16/15/13. Son does have an edge in Long Shots with 16 vs 12, but this is more than justified, having scored 4 times from outside the box this season alone, out of 26 attempted shots. Meanwhile, Mane not only failed to score from outside the box so far this season, but he only scored two such goals over the course of his entire career, so if anything it's Mane's 12 Long Shots that is overrated. There is one key aspect that's missing from my analysis: that Son is capable with both feet, so in-game he gets more "value" out of his lower technicals. At the same time, a player's technical attributes are not used in a vacuum, and I feel Son's both-footedness is more than made up by Mane's far superior speed, which will allow him to receive the ball in better positions or help him beat his man to make a pass or take a shot unpressured. Now, I'm inclined to think that Son is rated fairly and that Mane is the one who is overrated. It's clear to me that Son not in the same tier as Hazard, Salah, Sterling or Sane, but at the same time, the large gap in-game between him and Mane is clearly not justified.
  4. But do you feel his attributes were overrated before or that he regressed and showed less potential this season? Winks is an odd one indeed, he's already on his 3rd season in the first team, yet first season his playing time was limited while last season turned out to be somewhat of a false start due to his injury problems. So while he's already 23, he's on his first proper season with the first team and my subjective impression is that he's a bit behind on his development relative to his talent. As for the fundamental differences on positions, I've thought about it and it's likely because you see the pivot in Poch's 4-2-3-1 as playing from CM, while I on the other hand see it as playing from DM strata. This would also explain why you rate Dier as Natural at CM even though he's only ever played anchor in a diamond midfield or as part of a pivot, or why Sissoko has no rating at DM. And then there's the question of which weighs more, appearances vs effectiveness, in a player's positional rating. I was inclined to think appearances weigh more and attributes dictate the actual effectiveness, otherwise Jan should be a 20 at WBL. Wanyama right now has the equivalent of 35% match sharpness in FM terms and I'm still hoping he can salvage his future with us, but it doesn't look good when a 19y/o kid with puddle hair bosses you around. And while I have your attention, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Parrott, the club definitely holds him in high regard and has trained with the 1st squad on occasion, but he's yet to confirm at U23 level and I'm a bit skeptical he fully merits his new negative PA.
  5. @GSevensM75 Haven't had much time for FM lately so thought I'd wait for your updates first, and of course I fully agree with some, I disagree with others, but I have to say I'm shocked to see Winks getting a CA/PA downgrade following his best season with us so far and having established himself as our first choice midfielder. Personally, what won me over this season weren't his performances, but how well rounded he became over the course of this season. We all knew he had a good footballing brain and he was a good passer of the ball, but this season he's done all that while also being the man in front of the defence. He deceptively good at shielding the ball, he's able to carry it at his feet, he's started playing more vertical passes and he's even started making forward runs and work shots into his game. CA/PA aside, this season he's played anchor in a 3-man midfield or 2-man as part of a double pivot, there's a good argument to give him 18-19 rating at DM. On the other hand, he's never played winger or out wide in a flat 4-man midfield for the first team, so his rating at MR should be dropped to 10 or lower. PPM-wise, Comes Deep to Get Ball and Plays No Through Balls are his signature moves, possibly Brings Ball Out of Defence.
  6. If you're having fun with it, then who are we to say otherwise. But let's not kid ourselves - if it's as effective as OP tells us then the tactic is a clear exploit. I can't think of any real life counterpart for it and whenever the game and real life football deviate from each other, I find it far more plausible it's a shortcoming of the match engine rather than a tactical breakthrough.
  7. Luigi Porchia - ingame he's an a free agent scout IRL he seems to be contracted to Milan, at least according to Transfermarkt. https://www.transfermarkt.com/luigi-porchia/profil/trainer/47594
  8. @GSevensM75 Taking the liberty to tag you since you were the Spurs researcher last time I checked. I played Spurs extensively this FM and also watched them a fair bit, and I have some suggestions in mind for several players, mostly related to positional ability/ppms/personality. Let me know if you're willing and it's still possible to consider them at this point. I won't get into ability/attributes unless you're open to it - these are always more contentious and it's easy to get overexcited after a good run in form.
  9. Sustained pressure is a must for a high defensive line, giving your opposition uncontested time on the ball will leave you vulnerable to accurate balls over the top of your defense. With a high def line you want to force the opposition to hoof the ball and then rely on your player's anticipation and positioning to intercept it. You could just go for a standard def line/standard line of engagement setup and see how it goes for a few matches. Otherwise, it's a pick your poison type of situation and you need to decide which of the weaknesses is bigger, but also which route fits better with the rest of your tactic.
  10. As long as a CB has over 10-11 in pace/acc/agi that's enough for me. For a high defensive line anticipation and positioning are key, with decisions a close second. Concentration helps, but it's really more of an attribute for deep defending, as it primarily affects tackling and marking effectiveness. If using the offside trap, then the value of teamwork also shoots up. Presumably you are using a high defensive line so that your defenders are involved in the buildup, so even though it doesn't affect defensive solidity directly, for me Composure gains key status as well. Strictly from a defensive point of view, I think a physical defender such as Manolas will end up being more effective overall than one with strong mentals such as Pavard. But when you take into account what each offers in build up phase, it really is a no-contest in favor of the latter mould.
  11. It's not really a one off instance, it's something I noticed consistently across saves and in the 18 edition as well. Your point about language groups is certainly a valid one, but what I'm arguing for is increasing learning time across the board. I personally feel that learning times are too short regardless if the personnel is German or Brazilian.
  12. Both players and backroom staff learn new languages ridiculously quickly. The club pays 10-20k for a language course and any player gains good or fluent proficiency in a matter of months, starting from scratch that is. Despite what some apps will tell you, in real life it's incredibly difficult to gain fluency in a foreign language. A few months should get you to basic or good at most when the languages are related. That is, if the player bothers learning the language at all. Fluency, just like natural in a new position, should be a matter of years and be the exception not the rule. I see this as part of a wider problem, that it's still too easy and painless to make sweeping changes to the squad or backroom staff. Of course, there are multiple reasons for that, but making learning new languages more akin to real life would be a step in the right direction.
  13. It's worth paying a modicum of attention to the match odds to see how the upcoming match is perceived by the game world - your players, the opposition, fan's and board's expectations. Other than that, can't say I find match odds useful in deciding what my tactical approach is going to be.
  14. This. But you need to keep in mind that the movement you're expecting from the player is an advanced and somewhat counterintuitive play, players in general will naturally converge towards the opposition's box. So there's also the question of that player's attributes - anticipation to identify the opportunity, vision to perceive his teammates movement, decisions and teamwork to pick the option from the alternatives, off the ball to actually execute it. I think a player would need above average ratings in these attributes to expect this kind of play from him. Cuts inside does nothing for central players, you cannot even train it unless that player can play wide positions as well.
  15. I second this, trying to set up custom views is an exercise in frustration.
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