RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 This is my last match played using my original game, before I started my new one. I am still running this one but I use it to test any tactical changes I may think of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I've been wondering if a man marking system would work in this formation, with the CB set to a free role, acting like a classic sweeper. I'm not at my computer right now, but I am gonna experiment with it later. I think historcially the players would man mark, but they faced other W-M's and 235's. It could work and let us know how it goes for you. Hi Jazzy, I said that to mag man once and this was his reply:'At the moment all on tight zonal marking. I havent got to tweaking that but I will probably loosen up attacking players. I dont want defenders to man mark because then FB's wont come in to cover or DC will mark one player. I find they provide good marking over the entire back line on zonal' So Jazzy I have always kept my defenders on zonal and tight. My DMC's are also on zonal and tight, where my AMC's, wingers and ST are on zonal and loose (NOT tight). Yeah I just prefer zonal Man marking could work and be useful to see how Jazzfusion finds it. How are you guys scoring your goals...and I know you put the ball in the net...LOL, but a lot of my goals are going in from around 20 to 35 yds, real screamers especially from Yaya Toure. Same, Lampard and Deco edge of the box are deadly. I am trying get striker more involved. Rossonerigunner , im trying out this tactic with my rangers team but having real problems with my def line , and ideas or suggestions ? everytime i change it i give away a goal I play normal to deep, every time I push up I concede. I have Terry who is slow. Hi AC, the only time I change my d-line is if my opponents (AI) change formation. If say the AI play 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 then I will set my d-line to push up around 16 on slider as this limits the ST and AMC's and cuts down their space to work in and with my DMC's breathing down their necks it also causes them to rush their passes and give away possession. If the AI changes to 4-4-2 then I would change back to around 3-4 on the slider, but I will not change my d-line unecessarily. Hope this helps, also take a look back at one of my posts and I have posted a screenshot of how my DL/R are set up. But I am afraid it is all trial and error. Mag man told me how some of his player settings were set up and when I tried them it did not suit my Arsenal team. There are different ways of playing this depending on the players you have. Me and R/Gunner have different settings and both having success so find a way that suits you and you will have more success and actually enjoy it more having discovered it yourself. thanks for that. Do you still using arrow in amc position ? Have you already tried to barrow them ? Barrow means no forward runs. I have them without arrows so they have mix forward runs. No I do not use arrows as these were not...as everyone thought...there to tell players where to run, they were there to tell a player where you wanted them to be a) When you were in possession and b) and when you were not in possession, so your players were acting as robots. Now 9.3 is using what they are calling the arrowless match engine and the creative freedom slider is now used to control your players runs. Its been the same for all of FM09 arrows now mean forward runs. Thanks for all the replies at the moment gunner you are keeping this thread alive whilst I dont have much time at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Well I have an advantage over most of you, I have severe spinal/back problems and I am medicaly retired so I have '24 HOURS A DAY' free to play FM . But I will say Mag man that I have thoroughly enjoyed working on this thread and hopefully helping others to enjoy it as well. I was in the same boat once and I know what it's like to be frustrated with this game. But what really inspired me was downloading and reading again and again and again TT&F '09 and of course working on this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 My STc is actually getting goals in my Bristol City game, he has 17 in 30. Could be because he is great at long shots and has them as preferred moves. He also has tries killer balls often, not sure if that is beneficial or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Hey Jazzy, we will make a Premiership manager out of you yet...LOL. I may be facing you soon I am thinking of taking this formation to Millwall, but dont know yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think if this tactic is going to be used at anything other than the highest level then a more conservative version needs to be used away. Problem is it's hard to make a conservative version without chainging the formation. At the moment I'm experimenting with tight marking selected on my AMCs and my DMCs are set to man mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I've actually come up against this formation a few times in the Spanish league, but this is the first time it's been employed against be in the Championship, I guess it's the AI's answer? I just push my d-line right up and shut them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think you can be conservative without changing the formation, by using the mentality and creative freedon sliders. By keeping the mentalities close, so instead of having say your FB's on 10 and your DMC's on 14, AMC's on 16, ST and Wingers on 18...this is not what I use, it's just an example...you could put your FB's on 8, DMC's 10, AMC's on 12, wingers and ST on 14, this would keep all the players closer in touch with each other and then you would have to sort out the creative freedom and of course this will be trial and error, or as I like to say 'suck it and see'. Jazzy is this a crafty move to make us look at a conservative WM now...LOL. I like the idea...'What do you recon Mag_Man?'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 That Southampton formation is just a variation of 4-2-3-1, and I agree that by pushing up the d-line you cut down their space to work in, BUT, remember when the AI changes formation you have to change as well, unless it changes to 4-4-1-1 and I would leave it pushed up, but if it changes to 4-4-2 then I usually go back to around 3-4 on the slider. Sound's like we will be coming to for advice soon Jazzy...LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beri Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 rossoneriGunner pls give me link for tactic coz i wanna test it!tnx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 For some reason the links I made for this formation have gone down, so until they get them sorted there is nothing I can do at the moment, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 rossoneriGunner pls give me link for tactic coz i wanna test it!tnx If you follow thread there are many different peoples players instructions so it's possible re-create the tactic. Plus you get so much more joy out of doing it yourself which I am sure others agree with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beri Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 i just want the best instuctions in one tactic,like mixed instructions of each position and upload the tactic,can u do magman? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 My team are phenomenal at home, but pathetic away, although I've solved a few problems. We were getting overwhelmed at the back, time and time again the opposition had a man or two spare on either the left or right. Now when I'm playing away, I've set my FL/R to man mark their ML/R and it's made a huge difference, although we lose a lot in attack, I'm not sure if man marking them with my AMCs would be better. Would love to hear your thoughts mag man, and if you're having a similar problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercept Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I'm still alive, just gotten my PC back after I blew the motherboard (O.o), so I should be back up and running with updates soon. Just at my sisters using her laptop while having lunch! Should be able to put up a new update later tonight! Good results and discussion moving on here, need to read it a little more closely when I get home! :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 i just want the best instuctions in one tactic,like mixed instructions of each position and upload the tactic,can u do magman? Lazy people shouldn't be rewarded. Just take 10 minutes to read this thread and make a base for your tactic, then you can tweak as you go a long. You might actually learn something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 i just want the best instuctions in one tactic,like mixed instructions of each position and upload the tactic,can u do magman? There are no best instructions. We all have ours set-up differently depending on the team we have/league we are in/way we like football to be played? In this thread we are discussing our ideas/theories and results of our tests. I will not be uploading a tactic until at least I am happy with what I have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 My team are phenomenal at home, but pathetic away, although I've solved a few problems. We were getting overwhelmed at the back, time and time again the opposition had a man or two spare on either the left or right. Now when I'm playing away, I've set my FL/R to man mark their ML/R and it's made a huge difference, although we lose a lot in attack, I'm not sure if man marking them with my AMCs would be better. Would love to hear your thoughts mag man, and if you're having a similar problem. I think it would depend on where your strengths are in attack. If your wingers are you best weapon then I would want them tied down defensively if the AMC's could do the defensive work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I figured using my AMCs would break up the magic square. It looks like I'll be heading for the playoffs, so have a few games to experiment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Actually we were promoted on the last day of the season, woohoo. League table Not sure if I will continue with City, I may accept another job within this save or start a new game. I'm thinking of either going to the lower leagues, or may experiment with Fiorentina, they have a team that would suit this tactic perfectly imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Actually we were promoted on the last day of the season, woohoo. League table Not sure if I will continue with City, I may accept another job within this save or start a new game. I'm thinking of either going to the lower leagues, or may experiment with Fiorentina, they have a team that would suit this tactic perfectly imo. Nice season. I wonder how you would fair in premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think we'd be dreadful Unless a ton of money is pumped into the club, we wouldn't stand a chance imo. We overperformed in the Championship (we are predicted to finish 6th, but the player's stats do not refelect this imo), I cannot see us doing the same in the Premier League unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beri Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 guys sorry,off topic but im from greece and my english isnt good,so i can understand the topic!does anyone know if we can translate the pages from english to greek? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think we'd be dreadful Unless a ton of money is pumped into the club, we wouldn't stand a chance imo. We overperformed in the Championship (we are predicted to finish 6th, but the player's stats do not refelect this imo), I cannot see us doing the same in the Premier League unfortunately Would be a good test for your tactic guys sorry,off topic but im from greece and my english isnt good,so i can understand the topic!does anyone know if we can translate the pages from english to greek? I have no idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I tell you what Jazzy, I have played a few games with Millwall and it aint no picnic, so I recon your doing great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I tell you what Jazzy, I have played a few games with Millwall and it aint no picnic, so I recon your doing great. I reckon you might want to go narrower and play through the middle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Either that or just start a massive punch up...LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Either that or just start a massive punch up...LOL After looking at your tactic I have added HUB to my DMC's and ST and also given a DMC the playmaker job. I also tried dropping Defensive line to deep but that created to much space in-front of my defence so gone back to normal. Also given the top 3 free roles. Shevchenko back from Milan is ridiculous on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I doubt I am going to update for a whilst. I have just started a new job and dont have much time and have a week training abroad starting tomorrow. I am dead tired and not going to finish it until I am back. I will however try to answer question whilst I am away and those who are involved keep it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Ok Mag man have a safe journey and I hope it all goes well. I took your advice and trained Febregas as a DMC and actually gave him the playmakers role. I did have my DMC's HUB. Also I was thinking about something I read in TT&F about specialist position theories and one of them is for Deep-Lying Playmaker and this would suit Fabregas as this is how he plays and they have given 2 sets of Player Roles 1.Defend 2.Support so I was thinkng of setting Fabregas as the DMC support and playmaker and my other one, either Veloso or Yaya Toure s the defensive one. And the other Specialist Position is Advanced Playmaker who plays in the AMC position, again they give 2 player roles 1. support 2. attack and I was thinking of setting my AMC's as such and see what happens. I will try with both AMC and DMC set and then just with DMC set and see what happens. Anyway have a nice trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I will try and hold the fort till you get back mag man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Sounds like fun mag I'm going to attempt keeping Bristol City in the Prem, I've started to delve into the transfer market with a £25m budget, hopefully I can find some bargains Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Jazzy try and get some players on season long loans. I do know that if you search for players available for loan Man Utd Fabio is on there and if you look for free players I believe Stephen Appiah is available, might be worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Sounds like fun mag I'm going to attempt keeping Bristol City in the Prem, I've started to delve into the transfer market with a £25m budget, hopefully I can find some bargains You should definately look at transfer listed players too. They are quite often listed for a lot less than their value. Loans are a great way too, in my Maidstone game the first season in Premier League I loaned a couple players off of Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I've actually been able to get some pretty good transfer deals so far, it's nice to buy players that can fit into a tactic, rather than trying to fit players into a tactic. I asked my Asst to recommend some loan deals, and he was pretty useless, although he did find some GKs, which is what I need! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Aside from my GK, I have a completely new starting 11, with experience in each part of the field, and I still got some change left for squad players. Looking foward to the new season now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I also made sure to invest in a pacey back line, all of them have 15+, so I can play a much higher line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 So Jazzy are you looking at mid-table position next season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think at worst we'll just about surive, and at best we may grab a UEFA cup spot, hopefully the squad can gel quickly enough and adapt to the tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Complete domination Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgins Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think if this tactic is going to be used at anything other than the highest level then a more conservative version needs to be used away. Problem is it's hard to make a conservative version without chainging the formation. At the moment I'm experimenting with tight marking selected on my AMCs and my DMCs are set to man mark. Uhmm...I tried that, but my dmc's are often dragged away, leaving big holes behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Uhmm...I tried that, but my dmc's are often dragged away, leaving big holes behind them. I agree, I found man marking didnt really work. I reckon if you specifically assign them to man mark a player it might though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 The opposition regularly change to this against me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I agree on man marking, I've completely abandoned it. Never had the opposition go to that formation on me yet mag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Well mag man nice result, nearly as good as my Arsenal...LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I agree on man marking, I've completely abandoned it.Never had the opposition go to that formation on me yet mag. I see it a lot and its such a mistake by the opposition. I basically have all the possession and just have to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Well mag man nice result, nearly as good as my Arsenal...LOL My Maidstone team definitely beats any Arsenal side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Ive started playing deep since you mentioned it. It sucks the opposition out more making it easier to counter attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzfusion Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I'm done in the transfer market, so here are my transfers for those interested: Transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inarowhoops Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 You could help a lot a people out here,please give us your tactic,yea iam lazy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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