[Retro DB - FM21] Back to The 90's: Save the Arsenal, Save the World - and bring Football Home!

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3 in a row for Monaco as Laurent Blanc's side retain the title, with PSG dropping down to 4th! 

 

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5 in a row for Heynkes and Bayern, although Werder Bremen did come ever so close... 

 

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6 in a row for Ajax now, but Feyenoord did run them close. 

 

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It's a win for Gary Lineker's Rangers as they win the SPL title. 

 

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Gary Lineker's Rangers side very nearly picked up a European trophy, but it wasn't to be, as Jose Mourinho's strong Marseille side won the title, with Riyad Mahrez scoring the winner. 

 

 

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Gerard Houlier didn't just win the Serie A for Inter Milan this season, as they sunk Sam Allardyce's Everton side to win the UEFA Cup too. Bitterly disappointing for Big Sam as his 5th place Everton team would've got into the European Cup next season with a win. 

 

 

He would still be popular among the Toffees fans though after a 6-3 aggregate win over Liverpool in the Quarter Final  

 

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Jamie Vardy was having a party as his Man City side edged past a strong Real Sociedad side in the Round of 16 of the European Cup, whilst Valencia narrowly edged past Porto.

 

 

 

Ajax didn't put up too much of a fight as we thrashed them 6-1 over the two legs, whilst Bayern Munich took Real Madrid to extra-time before losing out to John Toshack's side. 

 

 

 

Terry Venables' Feyenoord side looked like they could pull off an upset against Man United in the first leg, albeit helped by Antonio Lopez getting sent off after 29 minutes, but Wayne Rooney wasn't having it and scored 4-0 at Old Trafford to help smash Feyenoord out. Meanwhile, Santini's AC Milan defeated Werder Bremen. 

 

 

 

Johan Cryuff's Napoli pull off a huge upset against his old side, as they win 3-2 an aggregate to knock out Barcelona. Whilst PSG smash Sounness's Juventus side, winning 7-4 on aggregate. 

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An incredibly frustrating exit, as Johan Cruyff pulls off another upset with Napoli as he beats us on goal difference, with a second half Dimitar Berbatov goal seeing us off in the second leg in Naples. 

Meanwhile, Man United come out on top in a Manchester Derby. 

 

 

 

AC Milan edge out PSG, whilst Real Madrid comfortably dispose of Valencia 7-3, they may not have finished above them in La Liga but they certainly did in the European Cup. 

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Cruyff's Napoli pulled off upsets against Barcelona and us, but Real Madrid were a step too far, as John Toshack's side win 5-0 on aggregate to book their place in the final. 

 

 

 

A close run tie between United and AC Milan went to penalties, with both keepers seemingly in fine form it was Milan's Martin Dubravka who came out on top as Jacques Santini's side books a place in the final.

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A close final but it was Jacques Santini's AC Milan who win the European Cup, consecutive wins for the opposing Milan clubs and it was an important win for Santini to ensure AC Milan even played in the European Cup next season after finishing 5th. 

 

 

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 Wenger's Career Record

 

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Season      Club                  League                Position           Achievements/Other
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1990/91     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              N/A
1991/92     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & League Cup winners
1992/93     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners
1993/94     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners
1994/95     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division, FA Cup & League Cup winners
1995/96     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & Charity Shield winners
1996/97     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              Charity Shield winners
1997/98     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division winners
1998/99     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners
1999/00     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & League Cup winners
2000/01     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              N/A
2001/02     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division and European Cup winners
2002/03     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              N/A
2003/04     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              Club World Cup & League Cup winners
2004/05     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division winners 
2005/06     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division, Charity Shield & League Cup winners
2006/07     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              N/A
2007/08     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              European Cup winners
2008/09     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              FA Cup, UEFA Cup, UEFA Super Cup and Charity Shield winners
2009/10     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division, Charity Shield, UEFA Super Cup & FA Cup winners
2010/11     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & FA Cup winners
2011/12     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              N/A
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Arsenal's Trophy Cabinet in the Original Timeline

 

First Division/Premier League - x4 (1990/91, 1997/98, 2001/02 & 2003/04) 

FA Cup                        - x9 (1992-93, 1997/98, 2001/2, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2013/14, 2014/15, 2016/17 & 2019/20) 

League Cup                    - x1 (1992/93)

Charity/Community Shield      - x9 (1991/92, 1998/99, 1999/00, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2017/20 & 2020/21)

UEFA Cup Winners Cup          - x1 (1993/94)

 

 

Trophy Cabinet in the New Timeline

 

European Cup               - x2 (2001/02 & 2007/08)  

Club World Cup             - x1 (2003/04) 

European Super Cup         - x2 (2008/09 & 2009/10)

UEFA Cup                   - x1 (2008/09) 

First Division             - x10 (1991/92, 1994/95, 1995/96, 1997/98, 1999/00, 2001/02, 2004/05, 2005/06, 2009/10 & 2010/11) 

FA Cup                     - x7 (1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1998/99, 2008/09, 2009/10 & 2010/11)

League Cup                 - x5 (1991/92, 1994/95, 1995/96, 2003/04 & 2005/06)

Charity Shield             - x8 (1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1996/97, 1998/99, 2005/06, 2008/09 & 2009/10)

 

[PaulHartman71]

Quite the merry-go round on the managers front this summer, kick-started by three high profile retirements

Gerard Houlier has had a brilliant last few years, winning the European Cup last season, then Serie A and the UEFA Cup this season, but at 64 he felt it good to go out on a high and so he's retired. The vacated spot at the Serie A title holders has been filled by Manchester City boss Rafa Benitez. 

This led to Manchester City hiring FC Koln's manager none other than Jurgen Klopp who finds himself at Man City instead of Liverpool in England during this timeline. German legend Lothar Matthaus replaced him at FC Koln.

The other high profile retirement saw Bayern Munich's legendary manager Jupp Heynkes call it a day at 66. Bayern weren't quite the force in this timeline as they were in the original one, but certainly they still dominated domestically and they did win the European Cup 3 years ago. To fill the void left at Bayern Munich is none other than Guus Hiddink. He's won titles at Juventus and in recent years with Ajax, now at 66 he gets the chance to win some more in Germany too. Ajax filled the gap of one legend with another, as former Barcelona and Liverpool manager and current Napoli manager, Johan Cruyff, returns to manage the team who play at the Johan Cruyff Arena. 

Napoli replaced him with Conference League winning manager Jose Mourinho from Marseille, with Marseille filling their own gap with Valladolid manager and another Conference League winner in Unai Emery. 

The other retirement saw long-time PSG boss Henri Michel call it a day in France, with Gheorge Hagi leaving Real Sociedad to take over in Paris. Lazio manager Jan Holby left to take over Real Sociedad, with Gianlucca Vialli taking over at Lazio.

PSV manager Aimee Jacquet also retired this summer, with Dutch legend Frank Rijkaard taking over that job.

 

[HugoLazgo12]

4 horas atrás, PaulHartman71 disse:

Quite the merry-go round on the managers front this summer, kick-started by three high profile retirements

Gerard Houlier has had a brilliant last few years, winning the European Cup last season, then Serie A and the UEFA Cup this season, but at 64 he felt it good to go out on a high and so he's retired. The vacated spot at the Serie A title holders has been filled by Manchester City boss Rafa Benitez. 

This led to Manchester City hiring FC Koln's manager none other than Jurgen Klopp who finds himself at Man City instead of Liverpool in England during this timeline. German legend Lothar Matthaus replaced him at FC Koln.

The other high profile retirement saw Bayern Munich's legendary manager Jupp Heynkes call it a day at 66. Bayern weren't quite the force in this timeline as they were in the original one, but certainly they still dominated domestically and they did win the European Cup 3 years ago. To fill the void left at Bayern Munich is none other than Guus Hiddink. He's won titles at Juventus and in recent years with Ajax, now at 66 he gets the chance to win some more in Germany too. Ajax filled the gap of one legend with another, as former Barcelona and Liverpool manager and current Napoli manager, Johan Cruyff, returns to manage the team who play at the Johan Cruyff Arena. 

Napoli replaced him with Conference League winning manager Jose Mourinho from Marseille, with Marseille filling their own gap with Valladolid manager and another Conference League winner in Unai Emery. 

The other retirement saw long-time PSG boss Henri Michel call it a day in France, with Gheorge Hagi leaving Real Sociedad to take over in Paris. Lazio manager Jan Holby left to take over Real Sociedad, with Gianlucca Vialli taking over at Lazio.

PSV manager Aimee Jacquet also retired this summer, with Dutch legend Frank Rijkaard taking over that job.

 

wow this is bit an weird alternate timeline

Conference League exist too early to replace Cup Winners Cup

 

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The actual Euro 2012 Squad

 

The squad in this timeline: 

 

GK: Joe Hart, Paul Robinson, Chris Kirkland - Robert Green, Jack Butland

DFs: Glen Johnson, Kyle Walker, Ashley Cole, Wayne Bridge, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, Ledley King, Gary Cahill - Martin Kelly, Phil Jones, Joleon Lescott, Phil Jagielka 

MFs: Steven Gerrard, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Joe Cole, James Milner, Michael Carrick, Frank Lampard, Owen Hargreaves, Gareth Barry - Jordan Henderson, Scott Parker, Stewart Downing, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Theo Walcott

STs:  Wayne Rooney, Jamie Vardy, Peter Crouch, Jermaine Defoe - Andy Carroll, Danny Welbeck

[PaulHartman71]

 

 

Not the most comfortable opening group game display, but we got the job done against Northern Ireland winning 2-1. 

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Jamie Vardy was having a party as he came off the bench to give us a much needed goal and winner against the Czech Republic.

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Another slender win but we beat another UK rival in Scotland 1-0 to secure our place in the next round.

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It will be Northern Ireland who miss out as they finish bottom having lost to everyone. Scotland do make it through. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Denmark probably the only surprising team to go out, although Switzerland you probably would've fancied too. 

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A nervy game against Ukraine went all the way to penalties, which we thankfully came out on top of. Joe Hart the hero as he saved 2 penalties. 

 

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Germany thrashed the Czech Republic 5-1, whilst Sweden beat Russia on penalties, who quite awkwardly in this safe as he was born in Russia they actually have Ukranian winger Andriy Yarmolenko within their ranks...

Whilst Ireland beat Norway in a close game after extra-time. 

 

 

The World champions Spain were 2-0 up against the Dutch but the Orange Army came from behind to dump them out 3-2, whilst France needed extra-time to put out Scotland. 

 

 

A hat-trick from Cristiano Ronaldo helped Portugal book their place in the Quarter Final as they smashed Croatia, whilst Italy beat Serbia after extra-time. 

 

 

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The first game of the tournament we won by more than a 1 goal margin, albeit we were massively helped by a very early Swedish red card. A brace for Stevie G and Jamie V.

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France beat Holland 3-1 with a comfortable victory after goals from Benzema, Ribery and Trezeguet. 

 

 

Germany narrowly edged past Ireland with a last-minute goal from Thomas Hitzlesperger. 

 

 

A double from Antonio Cassano sunk Portuguese hopes of making the Last 4. 

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A crazy game with Italy which basically boiled down to the fact Wayne Rooney was the best player on the pitch. A 3-2 win gets Harry Redknapp's side into the final with another chance of European glory. 

 

 

 

The final will be against Germany, who beat a strong France side 3-0 with goals from Mario Gomez and Thomas Muller. 

 

 

 

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Heartbreak in injury time as Thomas Muller's 93rd minute strike gives Germany their first trophy in this save, whilst much like Euro 2004 we have to settle for being runners-up. 

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[Sonic Youth]

I blame Joe Hart!

So close.

[Koetzer]

19 hours ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Germany thrashed the Czech Republic 5-1, whilst Sweden beat Russia on penalties, who quite awkwardly in this safe as he was born in Russia they actually have Ukranian winger Andriy Yarmolenko within their ranks...

And Sergey Semak, who was Russia captain on Euro 2008, went the opposite way (guess this DB sets place of birth as newgen's first nationality so ex-USSR/Yugoslavia countries should have a lot of such exchanges).

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8 minutes ago, Koetzer said:

And Sergey Semak, who was Russia captain on Euro 2008, went the opposite way (guess this DB sets place of birth as newgen's first nationality so ex-USSR/Yugoslavia countries should have a lot of such exchanges).

Yeah it just blanket makes people’s nationality their place of birth in 9 out of 10 cases. The only one I’ve seen without that is Raheem Sterling who was born in Jamaica, but might be similar to how the database works normally where if they’re from a significantly lower ranked nation they’ll prefer the bigger one but if they’re from a mid rank like Poland or Switzerland they’ll usually just take that anyway even if German as well. 

[Sonic Youth]

Vucinic picking Italy?

[PaulHartman71]

45 minutes ago, Sonic Youth said:

Vucinic picking Italy?

 

Yeah I'm not too sure what happened there, might have been a mistake as the DB has him as being born in Italy.

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Not many outgoings this summer

Ronaldo was a bit of a flop so I let him go for free to Monaco

Fran Merida had a few decent loan spells but given the quality we have was unlikely to ever make the grade here, so with 1 year left on his deal he joins Marseille for £5M

Plenty more loans this summer as Woj joins Hibs, Afobe goes to Rangers, Coquelin goes to RC Lens and a few others go out elsewhere. 

 

There was just one main signing this summer to bring in a striker who could be a critical player for the rest of the save to the 2019/20 season... 

 

 

 

Robert Lewan-GOAL-ski joins for a decent fee of just under £30M from Real Sociedad. He spent much of his late teens and early twenties at Coventry which is good for us as it makes him HG in the country too. 

Providing he doesn't get his head turned by Real or Barcelona we should hopefully hang onto him until the end of the save. Barcelona have Benzema so it's unlikely they come in for him, although given they have a 33 year old Michael Owen and 31 year old Samuel Eto'o I imagine Real Madrid will be in the market for a top rate striker sooner rather than later.

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Former Arsenal lad Carlos Vela left Bayern Munich for Blackburn, whilst Aston Villa seem to make a very astute signing getting in Jerome Boateng from Roma for just up to £14M. 

Chelsea bring in Cristian Tello, Lyon sign Ivan Perisic, Gareth Barry joins Newcastle and Gabby Agbonlahor joins Coventry. 

 

 

Some big moves this summer as Real Madrid spend big to get in, yes, Gareth Bale from Man United. Martin O'Neil's United side got a few players in to replace him though, with recent Champions League winner Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang linking up at Old Trafford this season with Milan rival Ezequiel Lavezzi who they've also signed. 

Liverpool, who just won the league under Capello have spent big money on a big player as they sign Giorgio Chiellini from Juventus, meaning Liverpool now have a CB pairing of Chiellini and Bonuci! Not bad going at all!

Barcelona spend big money to get in Diego Costa from Everton, whilst Gigi Wijlnaldum turns up to the blue side of Merseyside in this timeline. Kolarov leaves PSG for Juventus, Edinson Cavani ditches West Ham for Man City and Demba Ba joins Nottingham Forest from Sevilla.

 

Charlton Athletic, who finished 12th last season and have Paul Merson in charge went big this summer and I noticed after seeing them as rich that they actually had a Tycoon takeover this summer.

They've brought in a young Mo Salah, Nemenja Matic and Klaas-Jan Huntelaar in an impressive window as Merse pushes for European places this season.

Elsewhere, Chris Samba joined PSG, Bayern brought in Riyah Mahrez and Joel Matip, Sevilla snap up Bafetimbis Gomis, Ramires joins Werder Bremen and Angelo Ogbonna joins AC Milan.

 

 

Yarmalenko had a decent time at the Euros and gets a reward in the way of a move to Bayern Munich. 

A young Matt Doherty is snapped up by Southampton, Tim Cahill joins Inter, Kasper Schmeichal leaves Liverpool for PSG, whilst Yann M'Vila joins Napoli.

Willy Caballero joins Porto, Rui Patricio goes to Chelsea, whilst Gael Clichy moves again this time to Feyenoord.

West Ham snap up Freddy Eastwood and John Arne Riise, whilst Bobby Zamora joins Terry Venables at Feyenoord. 

 

 

Liverpool with some more crazy business as they sign a young Antoine Griezmann from Sociedad, who have had a bad summer losing both Lewandowski and Griezmann in one window, but wow, Liverpool are going to be hard to compete with moving forward if they're moving like this every window. 

Bayern sign Lewis Holtby, Jeremy Menez joins PSG, whilst AC Milan snap up Vedran Corluka and Branislav Ivanovic. 

West Ham sign Giuseppe Rossi, Dejan Lovren joins PSG, whilst Real Sociedad sign up SWP and Nicolas Gaitan. 

Azpillicueta joins Everton, John Obi Mikel leaves United for Napoli, Nicklas Bendtner leaves Sociedad for PSG, whilst Otamendi joins Juventus. 

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So far, so good in the League Cup, with Thierry Henry in the rotated teams still proving too strong for the rest of the competition. 

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6 points between 1st and 4th at the halfway stage as the table is led by Man United. The main plus is we've played all 3 of the Top 4 away from home (and lost all of them ). 

Chelsea, who have no Europe and came 11th last season have looked really strong this season compared to usual, they have got a decent side and they could prove a dark horse among us and Liverpool. I'd probably favour United who are scoring loads of goals under Martin O'Neil this year, have been a little surprised with Liverpool having been champions and looking to make some good signings, but it seems like they can't always get the goals to win a game as despite losing just once to United they've drawn away more games than the rest of us. 

Everton, who came 5th last season and were a UEFA Cup final away from European Cup this season are looking way more like going down than getting into Europe - they've sacked Big Sam and got in former Lille boss David Ginola to sort things out.

Hilariously, Tottenham are also right down in the mix, they've sacked David Moyes and brought in Steve Bruce to try and keep them up. 

Tycoon backed Charlton Athletic are in 6th and pushing for the European spots, with Villa in the mix for the European Cup places in 4th and Man City not too far off either. 

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Sociedad and Ajax not the easiest of groups and we did actually lost away to Lewandowski's old stomping ground, we weren't troubled much in the other games though and ended up topping the group.

 

 

Sociedad go into the UEFA Cup, with Dortmund, Lyon and PSV joining them. 

 

 

Valencia and Monaco the biggest surprise drop outs, with Porto and Stuttgart respectively edging them out. 

 

 

Napoli of course knocked us out in the Quarter Finals under Johan Cruyff last season, this season they're managed by one time arch nemesis of Wenger, Jose Mourinho, so this could be a big banana skin for us again this season.

Meanwhile, Inter face surprise package Stuttgart, Roma play Real Madrid, Man United face holders AC Milan in a heavyweight clash, Cruyff's Ajax face Juventus, Porto play Bayern, Man City have Barcelona to contend with and Liverpool have Werder Bremen.