Mark18 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I'm playing as Man City. I am using a 4-1-4-1 First, do you think 4-1-4-1 is a good formation for attacking? I am not playing 4-1-2-3 because Aml and Amr aren't defensive enough. 2nd, here is my setup: Dlf - Su (slo) Wm - At (All raudmeter instructions) Dlp - Su (more risky passes) Mez - at (slo) W - Su (slo) Dm - De (slo) Fb - Su (stay wider) Cd - st (fewer risky passes) Bpd - De (pass it shorter) Wb - At (slo) Sk -su(pass it shorter, distribute to center backs) TIs - Play out of defense, pass into space, low crosses, work ball into box, close down more, prevent short gk distribution Slo - shoot less often Should I set my right WB to support? And are there any other suggestions you have? I know it'd be better if I posted a screenshot but I can't access the computer right now and I am typing this on phone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Mark18 said: I am not playing 4-1-2-3 because Aml and Amr aren't defensive This isnt strictly true... Even a striker can be considered defensive, given the right settings and the context of where you want to win the ball. Im going to complete my thread today, had a very successful season playing with 4 across the AM strata... High possession, good results, not many conceded. For you i take it what you are really getting at is you are perhaps a midtable or weaker side and you think a lower block is more advantageous to your formation? It could well be. But dont rule anything out based on the idea that you can only defend from deep positions. If the AI play wbr and amr your mr is marking no one for instance...so is either being pulled out to close down the wb leaving space behind, or is dropping deep to double up on the amr.... Leaving a marauding wb free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark18 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, westy8chimp said: This isnt strictly true... Even a striker can be considered defensive, given the right settings and the context of where you want to win the ball. Im going to complete my thread today, had a very successful season playing with 4 across the AM strata... High possession, good results, not many conceded. For you i take it what you are really getting at is you are perhaps a midtable or weaker side and you think a lower block is more advantageous to your formation? It could well be. But dont rule anything out based on the idea that you can only defend from deep positions. If the AI play wbr and amr your mr is marking no one for instance...so is either being pulled out to close down the wb leaving space behind, or is dropping deep to double up on the amr.... Leaving a marauding wb free I am using Man City. I'll try and push the AML and AMR up. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summatsupeer Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Any formation can be good at attacking if setup with a good combination of roles+duties and your defensive+attacking plans fit together. Having said that I don't get what your trying to do. You have a CM pair of DLP-S and MEZ-A whom you've told to both play Risky Passes Often. You then tell your team to also Pass Into Space (the same thing). But apart from your WM-A and the MEZ himself its quite a patient tactic with the DLF-S holding things up, W-S looking to collect to his feet and the double pivot (DLP-S + DM-D). Especially when your WBIB and Play Out Of Defence, plus made your SK-S pass to the CBs, one whom doesn't play risky passes and the other who should do but you've told him to pass shorter. Its like you want to patiently work the ball forward then expect a quick attack but you've pushed the opponents deep and let them get organized first so haven't exploited the space when you might of had it through quick transitions and then aren't patient to create space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okereke Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 hace 4 horas, summatsupeer dijo: Any formation can be good at attacking if setup with a good combination of roles+duties and your defensive+attacking plans fit together. Having said that I don't get what your trying to do. You have a CM pair of DLP-S and MEZ-A whom you've told to both play Risky Passes Often. You then tell your team to also Pass Into Space (the same thing). But apart from your WM-A and the MEZ himself its quite a patient tactic with the DLF-S holding things up, W-S looking to collect to his feet and the double pivot (DLP-S + DM-D). Especially when your WBIB and Play Out Of Defence, plus made your SK-S pass to the CBs, one whom doesn't play risky passes and the other who should do but you've told him to pass shorter. Its like you want to patiently work the ball forward then expect a quick attack but you've pushed the opponents deep and let them get organized first so haven't exploited the space when you might of had it through quick transitions and then aren't patient to create space. I think this breakdown is spot on and exemplifies how lots of people have something in mind that they then can't correctly put in game language, falling into a mess of TIs and Pis that go against one another and contradict them. Once I learnt how to keep things simple and realized they worked better it's been wonderful to develop new ideas and systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark18 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 4 hours ago, summatsupeer said: Any formation can be good at attacking if setup with a good combination of roles+duties and your defensive+attacking plans fit together. Having said that I don't get what your trying to do. You have a CM pair of DLP-S and MEZ-A whom you've told to both play Risky Passes Often. You then tell your team to also Pass Into Space (the same thing). But apart from your WM-A and the MEZ himself its quite a patient tactic with the DLF-S holding things up, W-S looking to collect to his feet and the double pivot (DLP-S + DM-D). Especially when your WBIB and Play Out Of Defence, plus made your SK-S pass to the CBs, one whom doesn't play risky passes and the other who should do but you've told him to pass shorter. Its like you want to patiently work the ball forward then expect a quick attack but you've pushed the opponents deep and let them get organized first so haven't exploited the space when you might of had it through quick transitions and then aren't patient to create space. I changed things a bit. I want them to attack in two ways. 1st: Rpm or someone else finds IF -At and he then puts in a low cross for striker to finish, or the IF finishes it himself. 2nd: Ap (who is told to be more narrow and holds up ball) finds Wb - At who then puts in a cross. Do you think this tactic is good to play that way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summatsupeer Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark18 said: I changed things a bit. I want them to attack in two ways. 1st: Rpm or someone else finds IF -At and he then puts in a low cross for striker to finish, or the IF finishes it himself. 2nd: Ap (who is told to be more narrow and holds up ball) finds Wb - At who then puts in a cross. Do you think this tactic is good to play that way? IF is told to cross less often and cut inside, he's also right footed and bad at crossing... Then relying on the same thing from opposite flank is a bit one dimensional. Oh and you've added Work Ball Into Box? And after a slow tempo build up that will allow defences to get back and organized? If your going to rely on crossing or a IF running in behind I wouldn't build up slowly. If you want your players to be patient and let the RPM+AP work the ball around and create space that can work in a possession style system, but if players are just going to swing a cross in then they're not really being patient about it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark18 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, summatsupeer said: IF is told to cross less often and cut inside, he's also right footed and bad at crossing... Then relying on the same thing from opposite flank is a bit one dimensional. Oh and you've added Work Ball Into Box? And after a slow tempo build up that will allow defences to get back and organized? If your going to rely on crossing or a IF running in behind I wouldn't build up slowly. If you want your players to be patient and let the RPM+AP work the ball around and create space that can work in a possession style system, but if players are just going to swing a cross in then they're not really being patient about it... Sorry I am not sure I understand. Are you saying I shouldn't use playmakers because they would ruin the counter attack by slowing the pace down? Do you think I shouldn't have playmakers at all if I want to achieve the fast attacks? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summatsupeer Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark18 said: Sorry I am not sure I understand. Are you saying I shouldn't use playmakers because they would ruin the counter attack by slowing the pace down? Do you think I shouldn't have playmakers at all if I want to achieve the fast attacks? Thanks If you want fast attacks, why are you using Lower Tempo, Play Out Of Defence and Work Ball Into Box on Standard mentality? Regardless of roles that is a more patient style that will allow opponents to get back and organized. Your AP will because you told him to Hold Up Ball but they don't usually. A deep runner isn't really a fast attack movement as he has to come from deep so again gives opponents time to get back compared to a early runner from higher up the field. Thats not to say it isn't a good movement, especially in a 2nd phase if the initial attack doesn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 If you want to create a good counter-attacking tactic with Man City in a 4-1-2-3 formation, maybe you could try something like this: mentality - attacking shape - highly structured d-line - slightly deeper pressing - close down less tempo - normal team passing - direct width - fairly narrow low crosses be more expressive (optionally - pass into space) Player's roles and duties: DLP (att) or F9 IF (sup) W (sup) MEZ (att) BTBM ANCHOR (or BMW def) WB (sup) DCL (def) DCR (def) FB (att) SK (sup) I believe players such as City's should be capable of putting this somewhat tricky tactic into effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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