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  1. My first FM21 tactic has 4 TI and a couple of PI (to get AML + AMR to mark opposition FB), if you want to be casual keep things simple and give the players options rather than trying to be Pep/Bielsa and micro-managing what they do. Quite often role+duties don't match the TI's which ends up restricting what the players can do. Thats not to say a tactic can't have a lot of TI's but they have to be having the expected effect when you watch the play. The main issue many players, especially casuals have is expecting there idea should work, when its flawed so blame the game. Most commonly this will be very attacking roles+duties, wanting runs in behind opponents defence, but then also want possession and high pressing resulting in no space to make runs (except wide) and restricted passing options. A second issue is trying to force players into your system. The first thing I saw in your team + system is you have 3 players centrally in front of MSS, his traits make him get forward and into the box, but is there space for that? Are those forwards roaming/dropping to create space for him and able to create a chance for him? Not just through there role+duties, but there attributes/traits. Is having such an attacking CM best for this formation?
  2. Personally I think your trying to mix contrasting styles. Expecting to "control possession" but then have a very wing heavy attack which I think requires a quick/direct style so you don't end up just pumping crosses into a packed, organized defence, especially if Werner is the ST. The slower your attacks, the less "space" there is for pacy players, it then becomes more about ability to operate in tight areas with great touch and flair. In a 4141 DM Wide what the ST does is very important. If he's up top on an attack duty he won't help link and wants early through balls so typically won't suit a possession style. A poacher (rarely dribble) or DLF-At (holds up ball) should isolate themselves less, especially if the wide forwards are on support duty. If the ST isn't linking then you have to look for deeper players to get forward to offer a forward passing option or to carry the ball forward themselves. I find this can be hard to do with a CM as even a MEZ-At tends to not get forward when transitioning out of defence, rather waiting until transitioning into the attacking phase (traits can help with this a bit). If a wide forward gets it this can often lead to them running into dead ends since nearly all are told to dribble often and the CM's haven't advanced enough to do anything to draw out opponent Defensive Midfielders. I don't think that Chelsea team suit a "possession" style. Ziyech has poor decision making plus likes to shoot from distance which likely will prematurely end any pressure you build up. Werner also has poor decisions so could isolate himself and lose possession quickly. For these reasons i'd limit how many instructions i'd add that slow down attacks and try to get players forward earlier with fewer passes till you get a shot, but without playing hoofball.
  3. Your setup is more a possession 4141 than a fast attacking 433 due to both wide forwards dropping plus a DM. The only player told to try risk passes often is the IF-Su and Rashford isn't good at that. The front 3 are the only ones told to dribble often, so there's really no penetration until the front 3 get it. A CM won't make forward runs whilst the ball is that deep, so your only runner is the ST, although one ball could take out the whole of there defence. Put that all together its quite a safe setup of roles+duties even though your on a risk mentality. Attacking mentality will make players take more risks, but won't make them suddenly all bomb forward and play risk passes often or dribble often. The roles & duties are the main thing that creates the style, its just lacking a few possession PI's to be a possession system but you want a fast attacking style... Your 442 isn't as deep a formation as 4141 DM Wide due to the front two combining with each other. Martinez is dropping to link and is good enough to play through balls for his partner.
  4. I think this is because on one hand your saying "take lots of risks" but then slowing down the attacks with lower tempo and/or shorter passing. Due to the slower transitions they then get to final third and opponent is back and organized so they'll take what opportunities they see. Considering Rashford/Martial/Chiesa etc's lack of vision its likely to be straight forward run+cross/shoot. Whilst Fernandes has much better creative attributes he has Shoots From Distance trait so that will also contribute to long shots. Remember to take into account direct free kicks count as long shots so 5-10 might not actually be too bad considering Fernandes + Free Kicks, unless you've already discounted them. I would suggest doing 2 things initially: looking at deeper players who are able to play more direct and/or through balls so transitions are quicker, regardless of the mentality. You could add PI if specific players or TI if confident in the team to do it, with say Wan B given Less Risky Passes so TI doesn't affect him. For example the FB's don't need to have playmaker levels of passing and vision to be able to play a through ball down the line for the wide forwards but need some ability to not mess it up. adjust your defensive instructions to allow opponents to come out of there third so when you get the ball theres space for a fast transition. the team mentality will affect these instructions so keep that in mind.
  5. Narrower width can give some more space to opponents when they have the ball to progress it. Then they typically have fewer options since they have to take on the defender (dribble) or go inside with the pass. For example could do narrower and OI to press FB, this means DM/CB's won't always get pressed but once it goes to the FB. You still need players in position to cut off inside passes and not just all sitting deep. I mean space deeper in your formation, your 4141 DM packs GK+9 outfield players compact deep behind the ball, thats really hard to for opponents to pass into, especially if they're playing safe/low risk and have no reason to take game to you. Giving them space to pass it around easily between there defence and defensive midfielder(s) and then once you get the ball your being so low risk they can get back and organized before you attack, hence I think will just result in bore draws. If your aim is to draw opponents out to then attack, you need players in position and told to attack quickly before the opponents regroup and drop deep. If you attack too slow, you might as well press more as they'll drop back before you attack them and do a possession style system. Do you really need that extra shielding player against a defensive/park the bus side? Consider the difference moving the DM to AM so he's instead able to disrupt passing through the DM area, making those passes riskier and giving the opponents more opportunity to pass forward. Then you have another player in position to attack quickly if thats your intention. Not saying doing these with your current system fixes everything, more concepts to think about when designing your system.
  6. If your playing attacking mentality without toning it down then attacks will be over very quickly. With a DLF-Su, and 3 playmakers there isnt really any urgency to get into the box. I guess the winger gets it wide and tries to cross which will then rely on Kanes amazing ability rather than anything else. Your left flank is wide open with WB-At and AP-At. I'd rather have a holding player with the DLP then let the AM and ST get into box as DLF-At and AM-Su or DLF-Su and AM/SS/TQ-At combo. Attacking plus shorter passing is still quite fast, I'm not sure higher tempo is needed, especially with so few attack duties looking to attack quickly. You could use multiple playmakers but I'd want shorter+slower style so they keep possession whilst drawing defenders out of position. I'd also want more varied positioning of them so not all central.
  7. I'd reconsider the TI Stay on Feet with PI to tackle harder. It looks like your letting them get up field before then getting stuck in. potentially giving fouls away in risk areas and not winning ball in dangerous areas upfield. You put PI dribble more on REG and added TI to Run at Defence which does same thing plus adds it to DLF and WB-Su. If want to be compact defensively I would probably drop LOE, especially with so many deep players so the front 3 aren't chasing ghosts. Your van der beek issue I think will need to assess how the front 3 are working. With both wide forwards (rather than wide midfielders) who are going to cut inside in final third and get into the box that might reduce spaces for van beek. One thing that might help is remove higher tempo on attacking even with shorter passing the tempo will still be quite fast. That might give him more time to make his runs BUT against defensive teams I tend to find pullbacks are more successful than central throughballs in terms of chance creation for CMs unless it's a full counter attack. Maybe ziyech as AP and the slower more possession orientated approach could help?
  8. That's a very low risk counter system which as a big club vs small club who's being defensive could just end up with bore draws. Even if they push up as a team, they are typically bottom heavy and keep players back. Whilst a through ball could release the ST, that's it really besides some crosses into a likely packed box with you only having a few players in there. Rather than thinking "counter" to draw them out, think more about transitions and the middle third. Think about defensive width and trying to use touchline to press. Consider giving space in deeper areas to it's easier for then to progress the ball forward rather than there short safe passes in area.
  9. You change things to fix problems, ideally without creating other issues, not just for the sake of it. The worse your doing, the more likely our assumptions on what is wrong are accurate so changes can help. If your doing well, you really need to be specific to tweak things without introducing other issues.
  10. Bare in mind the TI only override roles that don't have a fixed instruction. IF-At and W-Su both have Dribble More so telling team to Dribble Less doesn't affect them. It did affect Jesus, Davies and Cancelo who's Dribbling attribute is one of there best (and have physicals to use it) hence reduces how much they will make use of it, could be viewed as "wasted" points. It also affected Silva and De Bruyne but its not one of there best and they have other strengths so less issue there.
  11. Whilst you mention this is a 442/433 hybrid, I personally think it should really be a 442 formation. GK: GK-De DR: FB-Su DCR: BPD-Co DCL: CD-St DL: FB-At MR: IW-At MCR: BBM-Su add Traits like Tries Long Range Passes for the Scholes role. MCL: DLP-De ML: W/IW-Su (maybe WM-Su for Giggs, can't remember what phase of going from flying winger to slower CM this was) STCR: DLF-At STCL: CF-Su That would be my starting point, would have to see it in action to decide how to refine/tweak, maybe stay wider and run wider on DL, sit narrower on ML. Maybe even Stay Wider on STCL as I remember Rooney almost being LW hugging touchline unless he was actually playing LW! You mention in yours analysis about the difficulty in this ME with opponents keeping it deep. With two lines of 4 it should be more compact due to no DM, plus he's higher to help support the two forwards. I'd maybe even go to two support duty forwards so they both can affect the DMs.
  12. I made a slight mistake, MEZ-At has Stay Wider but Run Wide with Ball is only optional, though as you noted its the typically movement pattern due to being wider or in a channel if he is right footed. I personally prefer the left footer to be MCL and right footer to be MCR, it just seems to make play flow better. MCR should have more passing options with right foot than left without having to adjust body etc. Need to look at what happens once he gets it then. Who's in the box for him to cross to, are they outnumbered? etc Looks like what I had in mind. CF gets a lot of freedom even on attack duty. Does he have any traits to that would make him favor dropping deep? BBM is in ideal position IMO. The IF has that back post and BBM has space to run into for a deeper cross. The ST should really be occupying the CBs to assist with that and make even more space for the BBM late run into the box. BBM seems to be quite deep at start of the move whilst that DL (WB-Su?) is suuuupppppper high, maybe he swapped position with W-At due to something that happened earlier? If ST makes a better run he's open at front post. Where Renyer is, there's no where for the BBM to make a run except if he goes wider. The opponents have a lot of players back so i'm not sure how "quick" it was. I doubt tempo would really affect this. I'd not do anything too drastic, you got the win and there's some good signs do don't go throwing extra TIs in there at this point. Keep looking at whats happening like that but i'd focus on the ST. Check his attributes and traits to see if anything that would make him play deeper. DLF-At has very similar movement as shown so i'd maybe go straight to PF-At, AF-At or P-At to get those earlier runs to give the W-At an earlier option. Doesn't look like he's needed to link, especially if your asking them to dribble more, I think Kovacic has that trait anyway?
  13. Don't want to change too much as your not doing badly but if your tweaking plus have quite different players rotating/moving it could be hard to tell what works consistently. Zaniolo is very left footed but playing as MEZ-At on right asked to run wide so probably needs to cut back to pass / cross or will look to pass outside. IW probably fits him better cutting inside onto his left. Does the W-At in the current setup get isolated due to two other forwards being support and MEZ having to run from deep? When you add Higher Tempo I'd expect that might happen even more. Almada is very different and so many traits I can't remember so maybe need a differently designed system to fit im into. Either of these i'm basically trying to add a plan B so not just about the AML crossing: My preference as i'm not a fan of MEZ in 4141 DM Wide is to tone down the MEZ-At to say a BBM-Su+CM-Su pair so more cover, lurking around the box and getting in late and leave space for the AMR. Then have ST as an attack duty (not sure on role) so more urgent to keep up with W-At. Maybe making AMR a IF-Su so he takes more risks. The DR could then overlap to make space inside for the AMR. Alternatively if you want to try to make the MEZ more key i'd not go higher tempo on positive mentality, i'd want to give him more time to make his runs from deep rather than the front 3 rushing things before he can catch up. Could add Underlap Right to make the IW safer and have the right wing players look for passes inside to him. Going back to my point about Zaniolo i'd prefer a right footed player so he can then shoot / cross / center without having to cut back.
  14. Just a note to beware combining specific changes from different sources as they might not combine well since they haven't taken into account the other persons advice. I'm not a fan of MEZ with a wide forward who cuts inside, whilst this in theory "overloads" the channel I think it too often reduces options as 1 defender/midfielder can block the passing lane. This is especially true when both are on the same mentality. In this situation with PF-At, IF-At and WB-Su that MCR is too aggressive with no where to make his runs and would be better off supporting the PF & IF. But give it a try, it could work but IF YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING then as you have AP-Su i'd probably go with BBM-Su or CM-Su who can link and arrive later into box, can add additional PI if want to keep elements (risky passes) that the MEZ-At does without such focus on making runs into that channel.
  15. Not sure on other bits of the tactic but since your looking at the CM currently i'll just stick to that area. I personally haven't had success with a MEZ plus a wide forward who cuts inside, they're just standing in the same areas too often or making a run into area the other is already. With PF-At and IF-At the left channel is likely occupied so i'd rather have the MCL more central as CM-Su or BBM-Su. Can always add PI if needed. If pushing both WB higher then HB could be an option.
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