rich74 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Benfica tactics:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 is it just a case of trying to guess what team instructions the opposition uses or is there a way to get these too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ919 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 CapEm, thanks for the time and effort you put into ripping these tactics. I was testing another tactic on my 3rd season Torino save, where I was predicted a top half finish. At Christmas I was one place off the relegation zone. I switched to the Arsenal tactic and it turned my season around. I went on a great run of results. http://img3.imageshack.us/f/torinoresults.png/ The game before I switched to this tactic was against Grossetto who I was expected to beat comfortably but lost 1-0. You can see the results I got from the Ascoli match onwards - notice the results against Napoli (who won the league), Udinese, Fiorentina, Roma and a 4-0 win against Inter! I ended up finishing in 8th position, ahead of Roma and Sampdoria. (It says 19th in the screenshot because I am now in pre-season for the season after and alphabetically Torino is 19th). I'm now going to try and use your guide to rip the Napoli tactic, a 3-4-1-2 which has proven very successful for the AI. I've never been able to make a decent tactic with 3 at the back so thanks once again. Edit: I forgot it has to be a pre-patched game unfortunately! If anyone could help with Napoli tactics it would be much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 is it just a case of trying to guess what team instructions the opposition uses or is there a way to get these too? no by the sounds of it is the actual team instructions the AI uses i am trying the Barcelona one and it is fantastic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurgen Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Hi capem, Can you give me a Barcelona tactic for the latest patch 11.2.1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 JJ919 - i have created the napoli formation from my game if you are interested, the only thing i wasnt able to do was the team instructions :-S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
...Eternal Sin... Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 juventus tactic i will be happy to see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ919 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 JJ919 - i have created the napoli formation from my game if you are interested, the only thing i wasnt able to do was the team instructions :-S MartinPetrov it would be brilliant if you could post a download link for me and others to try. With some discussion I'm sure we could come up with with good team instructions to make a top class tactic if it gets anywhere near as successful as it was for the AI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Ok here goes http://www.filefront.com/17739950/Actual Napoli (Hoffenheim, Jan 2012).tac One thing that i did notice that was strange was a lot of the player instructions were or either default or mixed. Not sure if i got it right? Let me know what you think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ919 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Cheers fella, I'll see what I can come up with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Ok here goeshttp://www.filefront.com/17739950/Actual Napoli (Hoffenheim, Jan 2012).tac One thing that i did notice that was strange was a lot of the player instructions were or either default or mixed. Not sure if i got it right? Let me know what you think. Do you have Seria A on full detail in the preferences ? It makes a huge difference to supposed tactical instructions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyscotsman Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 if i am to use the no tweak utd tactic as my base - then use the scouts reports to tweak the base tactic - ex - scout says - team struggles against high dline. What about the individual player settings - no player has anything checked - can you just play using shouts- or are we setting the individual players settings also? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Abramovic - Pretty sure i do, will have to double check tho and thanks for the tip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Abramovic - Pretty sure i do, will have to double check tho and thanks for the tip hi martin i dont know where capem has got to but i am fascinated with how the AI plays a Brazilian 4,2,2,2 formation i was wondering if you could do one, i have no idea how you and him are doing this but it is remarkable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 capEm where are you, come back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyscotsman Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Anyone??? i downloaded the manu tac from above and noticed that the team setting were set and none of the player settings were checked. Am i to assume you play the tactic as is using shouts- or are we setting the individual players settings also? I am also to assume that this is the base and we use the scouts report to adjust dline etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Anyone??? i downloaded the manu tac from above and noticed that the team setting were set and none of the player settings were checked. Am i to assume you play the tactic as is using shouts- or are we setting the individual players settings also? I am also to assume that this is the base and we use the scouts report to adjust dline etc? There supposed to be plug in and play tactics but im not entirely sure of the settings. Not that im underestimating CapEms research but Real Madrid play a little bit different then what he has on my version. Ive also noticed that in 1 striker formations the AI often switches its wingers, from inside forwards to wingers to a mix of the both depending on the opposition. What things are used to determine this i wouldnt know, but pitch size comes to mind. In a long wide pitch youd want to strech play and have wingers stretching the defense by hugging the touch line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyscotsman Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Abramovic: Thanks for the response. I am not sure if they were supposed to be plug and play which is why i asked. I thought perhaps depending on the situation you might need to adjust the starting strategy, dline, width then play with shouts throughout the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Abramovic: Thanks for the response. I am not sure if they were supposed to be plug and play which is why i asked. I thought perhaps depending on the situation you might need to adjust the starting strategy, dline, width then play with shouts throughout the game? It really depends on how comfortable you are with the shouts themselves and overall play for each game I used a Ancelotti rip plug in and play tactic with Southampton in the championship and promoted easily, but then again i had a very good squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyscotsman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Abramovic: did you play as plug and play only? ]It really depends on how comfortable you are with the shouts themselves and overall play for each game I used a Ancelotti rip plug in and play tactic with Southampton in the championship and promoted easily, but then again i had a very good squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Hey guys, Wow, its great to see this thread has rocketed up in the last week with all the responses. Thanks guys. I've been away, doin the holiday thing, playin some xbox, and getting back into the swing of things for a very busy period of time at work, so sorry I've been away. I'm glad to here some of the successes that people have had with the AI tactics, and its awesome some of you have been able turn around your season. I think this comes down to some people trying to over complicate their tactics, which results in all kinds of weird formations and instructions that your players just can't seem to learn, but copying some of the most successful AI tactics, I believe really puts your team in a position to win right off the bat. You obviously have to have the talent in your squad, but if some of the most average squads could copy the tactics of Mourinho, I bet they would. I'll touch a bit on some of the other comments made recently. I never really intended to release these as plug and play tactics. The one thing you need to remember is that these Actual tactics are what AI managers begin with, but they have most of the same shouts available to them as we do, to make necessary adjustments... so no, they aren't plug and play tactics and the proper tweaks at the right time, would probably be necessary. With that said, I stayed the course and plug and played for the first month or so and had my greatest successes. After awhile, most likely due to my own boredom and curiosity, I began making many little tweaks and shouts, and it seemed my squad started to struggle. Whatever combination it was, either complacency, too many tweaks or the AI cracking my tactic, I'm not too sure, I guess it would depend on what school of thought you believe in when it comes to dry spells and inconsistency. As for how I've been able to do this, I'll quickly describe so anyone can attempt to do the same if they are willing to put in the time. The only thing I've changed is I downloaded the "squad management" skin by surferosa, to help better manage my squad, etc. It seems though as surferosa possibly overlooked a small bug (no slight intended), or maybe its just my game, I don't know, anyways, you have to follow these steps (basically what abramovic already stated) In YOUR tactics screen, view each individual instruction, and make a copy of each current view http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/CapEm/Copyofcurrentview.jpg Next, find an AI team, and go to their tactics screen. This is where the glitch comes into play as well, as you should be able to see the player instructions, if you don't, I don't think you can do this, if you can see the player instructions, click view, and select your copy of __mentality__ for example. (NOTE: the league the team plays in, must be set to "ALL" in the detail level settings for your game. Any less and you'll get global settings for all the players, usually notch 1.) Here's the time consuming part. I usually go to the AI team tactics and then link to my own tactics, and then hit the back and forth buttons while going through each individual instruction and selecting the correct roles until each setting matches up. Remember, the AI chooses the formation, and only changes the roles for each position and might tweak a couple "playing styles" like creative freedom and tackling. Mentality = Philosophy and starting strategy - - this is where I start. First set the philosophy, easiest to do. Second set the starting strategy, also really easy to do. Third, tweak all of the player roles until they match up the mentalities, and then go through the rest of the tactics to match up. couple hints: Wide play, run with ball, run from deep really help distinguish which role is the correct one if you get stuck, because some roles will have the same mentality but the rest of their instructions will not match up. Again, I hit the "back" and "forward" buttons about a thousand times to get these all matched up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Abramovic - Our Real Madrid tactics probably do not match, becuase Jose Mourinho is no longer manager, in fact it was Manuel Preciado's 4-2-3-1 I copied, which was an oversight on my part I guess. Mourinho is currently unemployed, but I'll be eagerly awaiting his new managerial appointment so I can copy his tactics properly. From now on I'll be releasing tactics by both Manager name and team. Martin Oneil is also currently unemployed so I can't copy his tactics. Brazil in my save play a 4-1-3-1-1 under felipao Arsene Wenger has since moved on to AC Milan, and still employs the same "Actual Arsenal" tactic he used at Arsenal... which leads me to believe that a Manager will play his style, regardless of what the club's preference may be. Thanks again for following my thread, if a Mod could rename my thread with a title maybe more appropriate, feel free to do so. -Cap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovetic Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 i wan an a classic italian tactic with trequartista if i can !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Cap - This is what probably happened when i tried to create the napoli formation, i think i didnt have the italian league on full detail, hence why most of the sliders were either default or mixed. Thank you for the update btw! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyscotsman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Capem: Great thread. In regard to your comment "which leads me to believe that a Manager will play his style, regardless of what the club's preference may be." sometime ago there was a thread that also mentioned this and a test was done with Sir Alex. He was put into a lower league team to manage and his formations followed. It showed that at no matter how big or small the club he managed or the squad he had he always used the same 4-4-2 tactic and setup Abramovic - Our Real Madrid tactics probably do not match, becuase Jose Mourinho is no longer manager, in fact it was Manuel Preciado's 4-2-3-1 I copied, which was an oversight on my part I guess. Mourinho is currently unemployed, but I'll be eagerly awaiting his new managerial appointment so I can copy his tactics properly. From now on I'll be releasing tactics by both Manager name and team.Martin Oneil is also currently unemployed so I can't copy his tactics. Brazil in my save play a 4-1-3-1-1 under felipao Arsene Wenger has since moved on to AC Milan, and still employs the same "Actual Arsenal" tactic he used at Arsenal... which leads me to believe that a Manager will play his style, regardless of what the club's preference may be. Thanks again for following my thread, if a Mod could rename my thread with a title maybe more appropriate, feel free to do so. -Cap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ919 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Cheers CapEm. I haven't got a pre-patched game so I can't do it myself unfortunately. Martin, if you have the time would you be able to try and do the Napoli formation again? Obviously there's no problem if you can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 wow CapEm i dont think ill ever be able to do what you do, but keep up the good work i have been using the barcelona tactic and its great ill look forward to any new tactics you post your a top man CapEm:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I was slightly bored so gonna let yous lot build the mourinho tactic (11.2.1): creativefreedom.jpg closingdown.jpg marking.jpg longshots.jpg crossball.jpg http://img828.imageshack.us/i/mentality.jpg/ http://img840.imageshack.us/i/passing.jpg/ http://img145.imageshack.us/i/roamfromposition.jpg/ http://img408.imageshack.us/i/runfromdeep.jpg/ http://img153.imageshack.us/i/runwithball.jpg/ http://img140.imageshack.us/i/tackling.jpg/ http://img529.imageshack.us/i/trythroughball.jpg/ http://img703.imageshack.us/i/wideplay.jpg/ crossfrom.jpg holdtheball.jpg So what are my basic team and instructions and player roles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 From first glance it looks like: GK defend DR fullback support DL fullback support DCs I think limited defender defend MCr advanced playmaker support MCl central midfielder defend AML winger attack AMC advanced playmaker support AMR winger attack ST advanced forward attack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Close but no cigar whos next Majority of roles are easy enough its the MC partnership that has me confused Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 For those of whom that are interested here is the napoli tactic again http://www.filefront.com/17754863/3-4-1-2 Napoli.tac Capem, could you possibly download this for me and tell me if i am doing it right, i think i am, but not wholly confident in my abilities :-) Thanks Pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonko1 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 From first glance it looks like:GK defend DR fullback support DL fullback support DCs I think limited defender defend MCr advanced playmaker support MCl central midfielder defend AML winger attack AMC advanced playmaker support AMR winger attack ST advanced forward attack Close but no cigar whos nextMajority of roles are easy enough its the MC partnership that has me confused I think that the 2MCs are: ball-winning midfielder (defend) + center midfield (support) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I think that the 2MCs are: ball-winning midfielder (defend) + center midfield (support) That seems to be more like it, but what about the team instructions P.S. Im not entirely sure on the mourinho tactic hence the post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It cannot be a ball-winning defend because he does not have hard tackling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Judging by your mentality screen pic, I'd say mourinho plays a balanced/standard play style. Possibly agressive tackling as well since he has 3 players on hard tackling depending on player roles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Id appreciate it if you could have a look for yourself on your game so that we can compare. If you have time of course CapEm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 For sure, I'll start a new save so that I can copy Mourinho's tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Here is the Mourinho - Real Madrid tactic. http://www.filefront.com/17756197/Actual Mourinho - Real Madrid.tac And Mazzarri - Napoli tactic http://www.filefront.com/17756226/Actual Mazzarri - Napoli.tac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Interesting to note with Mourinho's tactic, I had everything matched up except for passing style. For whatever reason, I could not copy the tactics without adjusting the passing style for the AMR, AMC and ST. It seems Mourninho plays with almost a global setting which could not be duplicated without adjusting. Its interesting, I suppose, that AML plays as an advanced playmaker, which makes complete sense for a Ronaldo type role, but I think it's the first time I have seen the AI play with a playmaker out on the wing instead of a winger or inside forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 That seems to be more like it, but what about the team instructions P.S. Im not entirely sure on the mourinho tactic hence the post MCL = Box to Box, Support MCR = Central Midfielder, Support Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyscotsman Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Capem: with the Man utd tactic are we to assume that this is also the set up for corners, free kicks etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapEm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Capem:with the Man utd tactic are we to assume that this is also the set up for corners, free kicks etc? No, unfortunately not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Here is the Mourinho - Real Madrid tactic.http://www.filefront.com/17756197/Actual Mourinho - Real Madrid.tac And Mazzarri - Napoli tactic http://www.filefront.com/17756226/Actual Mazzarri - Napoli.tac Thanks capEm i am now managing 3 teams in my save now trying out these tactics:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 good work capem, be interesting to try out the napoli tactic and see how it matches up with my effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 good work capem, be interesting to try out the napoli tactic and see how it matches up with my effort. and your doing a good job martin the more people that can do this the better, so keep it up mate:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinpetrov Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 thanks mate, credit to capem too, as without him and abramovic i wouldnt of been able to fully understand how to do this. Here is the leverkusen 4-4-2 Diamond they won the league with http://www.filefront.com/17757235/Jupp Heynckes Leverkusen.tac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 im gonna try this to i am now going to be managing 4 teams for a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm really interested in the Brazilian style 4.2.2.2 its a shame the Brazil team dont play it, but i would be interested in the Brazil national team tactic or the Spanish national team tactic is it possible to copy the national tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ919 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Thanks a lot Martin and CapEm for the Napoli tactic aswell as Mourinho's and Leverkeusen's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiet666 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I assume that the better the manager, the better the tactics they use? Therefore some one should use fmrte to make a manager 20 in everything! Then let them play for a while with say, arsenal/barca, and then use this method to grab the awesome tactic they come up with ^_^ I don't have an unpatched version though >.< Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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