makmak Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I have been strugling with tactic via wizard approach. I couldn`t figure out how to make my defense more solid and how to make my team more lethal in the offence. So, for second season, I made 2 tactic based on 5x5 mentality approach (Benitez) and the second one 2-6-2 approach ala Lippi. It worked great. Defense finally became rock solid and we were playing great attacking football, scoring lots of goals. I made roles and positioning settings via wizard and then tweaked individual settings with sliders. So if you decide to use this, baseline shouts won´t work. Statistically you should dominate every game, at least I did. The only setting I was changing was tempo and width. Most of times I have used 2-6-2 version in which 6 players are working on same mentality setting, 2 are defensive and 2 attacking. This version was my main tactic that I used throughout the season. The second version is 5x5 approach in which 5 players are based on defensive mentality and 5 players are working the offence. This one is more strict and appropriate for weaker teams or playing against best clubs. Both versions are attacking Results: I was not a favorite to win neather Serie A or Champions league Serie A: 1st place 29w/7d/2l.....+72g...best defence and offence in the league Champions league: 1st place 11w/2d.....no losses...won barca in final 3:2 after loosing at first half 0:2 Italian cup 3w/1d/1l.....Lost in the final against Juve 2:1 Tactic: Attacking based 4-1-2-1-2 diamond -2 attacking fullbacks (pace/crossing/dribling/positioning/work rate) -1 DM ala Gatuso (marking/tackling/work rate/positioning/bravery) -2 CM duo deep lying playmaker/box to box midfilder (Pirlo/De rossi) -1 AMC (finishing/dribling/long shots/composure/passing/work rate) -2 FW duo. I had complete/advanced forward combo, but i guess it would also work with different settings, so you can tweak this 2 positions based on your players attributes. My team was GK-Adler Fullbacks- Renan/Vargas (Zambrotta) CB- De Michelis/Silva (Otamendi) DM - Gattuso/Sandro/Flamini MC-playmaker- Pirlo (Sandro, De rossi) MC-box to box- De rossi (Flamini, Sandro) AMC - Cassano/Gourcuff FW -Pato/Dzeko (Huntelaar/Paloschi) Best players: Dzeko-30g 13a (47 games) Pato- 24g 19a (45 games) Gourcuff 23g 13a (38 games) Pirlo 7g 16a (43 games) 6 players in serie a team of the year 5 players in Champions league team of the year Tactic layout: Serie a table: download link 1 http://www.filefront.com/14840199/Milan%20wining%20tactic.zip download link 2 Milan wining tactic.zip - 0.00MB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 yes!!!! someone has created a tactic with milan the team i currently can't win with thanks bro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 No problem mate, forgot to mention, that i left set peaces settings on default...don`t see much point in changing that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rBaWi Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Looks great , thanks Is this for 10.1 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Looks great , thanks Is this for 10.1 ? yes it was made on the 10.1 patch..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Gonna give this a go. Got 2 games going, Shrewsbury and Valencia. Struggling in both. I'll give this a try with my Valencia side. Currently 6 games without a win, a new record apparently. EDIT: Well first result was a 2-0 home win against Almeria. Good performance and should have scored more. EDIT AGAIN, followed by a yet another away defeat, this time to Sporting. This game is so hard this year, not sure if i can be bothered to waste anymore of my time on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudubrdx Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Just tried this tactic for 3 easy games at home, won two and drew once, but still dominating the game. The wins were easy but the opposition was poor. Gonna keep trying, even though i'll probably end up having less success than you, but that's all up to me not having dzeko Edit: Just won 5-1 away from home, but it felt lucky and they were bottom of the table. I did have 5CCC, which is a good thing still Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 So, any feedback guys ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudubrdx Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Ok so the 3 following games went like this: (H) OM- Auxerre 2-1 Was expecting a win, but i had to change to the benitez style at HT score was 0-1 (A) Monaco- OM 2-1 Again i was expecting a win, they were 10th in the league (A) Liverpool-OM 1-2 Good result this time, was playing the benitez tac, scored my 2 goals on counter attacks, they had 24 shots, 8 on target but only 1 CCC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Ok so the 3 following games went like this:(H) OM- Auxerre 2-1 Was expecting a win, but i had to change to the benitez style at HT score was 0-1 (A) Monaco- OM 2-1 Again i was expecting a win, they were 10th in the league (A) Liverpool-OM 1-2 Good result this time, was playing the benitez tac, scored my 2 goals on counter attacks, they had 24 shots, 8 on target but only 1 CCC If you are loosing at half time, try changing versions, helped me in the CL finals, went from 0:2 to 3:2. What is your statistic in these games...defence is solid right? And also, i have great forwards. I wrote in the op, that you guys should change forward roles as fit to your players...Maybe deep forward/ poacher or target man/ advanced forward...the point is that one of them is on support and on od them is attacker. But leave mentality, passing, closing down and marking settings as they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudubrdx Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 next game: (H) 0-1 defeat to Sochaux, they're 12th, i'm struggling for the tittle with Lyon. They had twice as much SOTs, and my equaliser was a lucky 85th minute shot. These tactics are killing my tittle challenge, i'll try them again once i get world class strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 ok this is the best tactic currently on these forums playing as A.C Milan won 3 of my remaining friendlys including beat juventus 2-1 so i got in to the league fairly confident first game against Roma at the ground i completly out play them winning 4-0 2 from pato 1 from huntler and a danielle de rossi own goal it's the match stats that i like best though checks these bad boys out! Roma A.C Milan (ME) Shots 10 Shots 16 On Target 1 On Target 9 Off Target 4 Off Target 5 Blocked 5 Blocked 2 CCC 0 CCC 5 Posession 42% Possesion 58% Now I've Only Played One League Game But I'm Gonna Roll With It And See Where It Takes Me Good Work MakMak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 next game:(H) 0-1 defeat to Sochaux, they're 12th, i'm struggling for the tittle with Lyon. They had twice as much SOTs, and my equaliser was a lucky 85th minute shot. These tactics are killing my tittle challenge, i'll try them again once i get world class strikers It`s not a good idea to change something that works for your team in the midle of the season mate, you should stick with what brought you to the title challenge and try something else in the pre-season. This way you can adjust tactic to your players (tempo, positions of players, forwards roles) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 I`m glad it works for you Mr. hough. And yes you should have more ccc than oposition, the basic for this tactic is good defense. Sticking with wizard made tactic, oposition always had to many ccc and i wanted to correct that. Hunteelar never played well for me, even with this tactic, Dzeko was much much better..Pato is good no mater what:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 dzeko is a beast like, gonna look at buying i thinks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalera Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 my results so far, been using the 262 version with club brugge last match i had 25 shots and only 2 goals made =D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Looks good Watch forwards ratings, if they suck change their roles to something less demanding. There are not many complete forwards in the game.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebbie Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 HI I'm trying upload a tatic file to filefront, but just sitting there saying Uploading Files 100% how do i know if this has uploaded the File and where to look for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 HI I'm trying upload a tatic file to filefront, but just sitting there saying Uploading Files 100% how do i know if this has uploaded the File and where to look for it? when you upload a file it will say when it s finished and you will receive the link.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebbie Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 when you upload a file it will say when it s finished and you will receive the link.. OK maybe being to haste in expecting to load quicker, Will give it more time to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensar13 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 How much did you pay Dzeko? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 I always get him for 18-20m on 48 months payment option. so...around 5m per year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensar13 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 And is he good like in real life? Because I mad him in FM09 with Wolfsburg two times top-goal scorer. In the third season I sold him to Chelsea for 30 mil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 30g 13a in 47 games for me..yes he is good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabulas4 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 i tried the lippi one but changed the amc to a traqavista all won bar one mu away but what can u expect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 i tried the lippi one but changed the amc to a traqavista all won bar one mu away but what can u expect The problem with the traqavista role is, that he should be less responsible ofr defensive duties, as he should roam around looking for free space. In this tactic Defensive roles are set. But you are welcome to try it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinner05 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Well, i thought I would give this a go with my QPR side. Started the season awesome with my own tactic and was in 2nd place after 13 games only because Boro had won every game. However, i had then gone with out a win for ages, so seeing your tactic on here was timely. Below is a screenshot of the first game. I was 4-0 down after 30 minutes, with them having had 8 shots and 8 on target and me only having 2. I didn't change anything but for some reason the game turned on its head and you can see the outcome. At 5-4 i switched to the rafa tactic in the hope of holding on to the 3 points and went on to bag another. Will carry on with it and see how things go. Tinga, who got the hat trick, is a central midfielder who was playing in the box to box midfielder role, im not sure if it is common for the player in this position to bag goals or not but he popped up in some cracking positions during the game 2nd game - Something tells me this could be an entertaining tactic. Need to tinker with long shots as there are lot being attempted but not many finding the target. What would you say is the minimum requirement to have someone on often long shots? Anything above 15? Or would you say anyone below 15 should be set to long shots rarely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabulas4 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The problem with the traqavista role is, that he should be less responsible ofr defensive duties, as he should roam around looking for free space. In this tactic Defensive roles are set. But you are welcome to try it.. i did only 3 losses in 7 months scum u away lost 2-1 and i had 2 goals disallowed and real madrid away 4-2 but ronaldo and raul chiefed clichy and senderos up and arsh was injured and had to play conqulen dm what can i expect better quality teams to a degree and always hard to beat and 4-0 home villa never beat them and i had my muppet team out bedner and walcott wouldnt hit a barn with a banjo plus it was apparently won due to them finishing there chances but 4 draws all 2 home and 2away chelsea liverpool birmingham aston villa the latter had weakened teams out won league cup against chelsea knocked manu out in the quarter final replay battered them 4 - 1 currently in the second leg against real in the cleague great comeback formation will keep u updated great tactic man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 @skinner05 From the looks of the stats, i would say you have a terrible GK or CB. First game ccc 2:5........Goals 4:6 Second game ccc 1:5.....Goals 3:3 Your strikers finished ccc in the goal as they should, but on the other hand your oposition score waay to many. In the second match every "on target" shot ended in the goal?! Check the ratings for your defensive line...is there any player that suck more than others? If you keep receiving goals in this maner, try lowering mentality of both CB and GK by 1 or 2 notches. Come to think of it, try this in any case. 2nd game - Something tells me this could be an entertaining tactic. Need to tinker with long shots as there are lot being attempted but not many finding the target. What would you say is the minimum requirement to have someone on often long shots? Anything above 15? Or would you say anyone below 15 should be set to long shots rarely? I would say long shots= often if long shots atribute is above 14 yes.. I would set long shots on rarely only for those players, that shouldn`t be anywhere near the box. So DC-s and DMC, but if your defensive midfilder has good long shots you can have him on "mixed". He will try to bang one or two in any case, even if he is not alowed to. @fabulas4 You mean in 7 months with this tactic you only lost 3 times? I also lost only 3 times in the whole season with Milan..nice to see it works for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabulas4 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 @skinner05From the looks of the stats, i would say you have a terrible GK or CB. First game ccc 2:5........Goals 4:6 Second game ccc 1:5.....Goals 3:3 Your strikers finished ccc in the goal as they should, but on the other hand your oposition score waay to many. In the second match every "on target" shot ended in the goal?! Check the ratings for your defensive line...is there any player that suck more than others? If you keep receiving goals in this maner, try lowering mentality of both CB and GK by 1 or 2 notches. Come to think of it, try this in any case. @fabulas4 You mean in 7 months with this tactic you only lost 3 times? I also lost only 3 times in the whole season with Milan..nice to see it works for you. yah i was a diffrent tac at the start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raek12 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Lippi version seems to be working really well with Juventus, 16-2 goal difference after 7 competetive matches without any groundbreaking signings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Yes, you should be solid in defense, offensively everyone should tweak forward roles to match their players. This tactic should also produce lots of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacanda2 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Yes, you should be solid in defense, offensively everyone should tweak forward roles to matchtheir players. This tactic should also produce lots of goals. mark, i'doing well with fiorentina...i'm not sure about the amc position....i will try to play him as a trequartista..need more from jovetic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 You can ans should change all three attacking players moves, like run from deep, run with the ball, crossing, deep passing..change it based on your players. Personaly i don`t belive in 100% plug and play tactic, everyone should tweak tactic to their players. Don`t change their mentality or marking, defensively it should stay as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syztemlord Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 The Benitez tactic is working really well for me. Only things I changed was AMC to rarely take long shots, team to pass short and if a player recieves a yellow card, take him down to easy tackling (had 2 red card in my first 2 games until I did this). I have David Beckham as my playmaker and he's getting MOM nearly every match! Great tactic, good work! (see the game isn't broken, you just need time to workout a good tactic). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 The Benitez tactic is working really well for me. Only things I changed was AMC to rarely take long shots, team to pass short and if a player recieves a yellow card, take him down to easy tackling (had 2 red card in my first 2 games until I did this). I have David Beckham as my playmaker and he's getting MOM nearly every match!Great tactic, good work! (see the game isn't broken, you just need time to workout a good tactic). Glad its working for you. I think people have to get use to tactic wizard, myself included, if i make tactic just with wizard, my defence always suck, so i just use combo wizard-sliders aproach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesh2k Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 yeah im the same whenever i use just the tactic wizard it aint great - but this is a new feature and most people will use it so tbh it should be useable and atm it aint testing this tactic in Blue Square South with basingstoke and doing ok with it any suggestions for any tweaks for lower quality players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 yeah im the same whenever i use just the tactic wizard it aint great - but this is a new feature and most people will use it so tbh it should be useable and atm it ainttesting this tactic in Blue Square South with basingstoke and doing ok with it any suggestions for any tweaks for lower quality players? Try 5x5 frameset aproach (Benitez version). The mentality roles are more conservative, this should help with your defense, lower creative freedom, leave this only for 1 or 2 top players. Also lower team mentality by 1 or 2 noches and play this version away from home. If you don`t have any decent players, change "run with the ball" from often to mixed for everyone that has it on often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syztemlord Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Glad its working for you. I think people have to get use to tactic wizard, myself included, if i make tactic just with wizard, my defence always suck, so i just use combo wizard-sliders aproach Fo show! I think it's going to be very hard to make a "one size fits all" tactic this year. You really do have to tweek it around your squad. Due to the "difficult" nature of creating a winning tactic I can see casual gamers relegating this years game to the subs bench quite quickly (pardon the pun), but for the hardcore it is really going to be a good challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 True. I like the wizard, because it translates the combination of instructions in to specific role. (advanced forward, playmaker,..) Before this, i was only guessing what different combinations mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesh2k Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 i can me needing a faq for this years tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleehammer Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 looking for a young/wonderkid box to box midfielder for histactic, who would you suggest?? also what stats would yo say a box to box midfielder needs?? same with deep lying playmaker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 looking for a young/wonderkid box to box midfielder for histactic, who would you suggest?? also what stats would yo say a box to box midfielder needs?? same with deep lying playmaker Sandro from Internacional..he s been great for me...5-6m and its yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabulas4 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Sandro from Internacional..he s been great for me...5-6m and its yours. young cska mid dzagov i think 10 mil 0r the young amc from shalke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabulas4 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 won cup treble cl fac and lcup changed the low lying playmaker to box to box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIAH76 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Not a bad tactic, but struggle in Europe. I will dominate games in the league and either win or draw, but Europe is a struggle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
makmak Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 what club are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverCraig Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I thought I'd give this tactic a go as Notts Co in League 2. I'm using the Milan setup. Through the first five games in the league, I'm 5-0-0 with 11 goals scored and only 1 against. I beat Preston in the first round of the league cup 2-1 and lost to Portsmouth 1-0 in the second round. Well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryds Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I'm mid way through the 2nd season with newly my promoted Bristol City (position 19th) and not won a game. My own tactic which saw me place as runner up in the Championship has let me down badly in the Prem and no amount of tweaking has had any effect. Even tho it's partway through the season I thought I would give your Benitez tactic a try, I'm losing anyway so it wouldn't make a difference at the end of the season. Before playing, I set my Championship quality DC's and FB's mentality down one notch each, also changed the through balls and long shots based on the particular (low) skills of my team and then played away to Man City (position 7th) I beat 'em 4-3!! Get in and nice work mak! will update on how my season finishes later. I know it's only one game played so far, but the defence looked like it had a purpose, both my strikers who had each gone more than 10 hours without scoring grabbed 2 each and the midfield followed the game perfectly. Nice one!! Lost at home 2-1 to Liverpool. However was all over them for the whole game. BCFC 15 shots - 6 on target, 3 ccc's LFC 5 shots -2 on target, 2 ccc's I had to play without my first choice keeper and also I think the stats reveal my lack of quality up front. For the OI I always set hard tackling and weaker foot to the opposition wingers, in this game i ended up with 4 yellow cards. Have you any suggestions regarding your preferred OI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hey mak which tactic would you say was best for Middlesbrough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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