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In Barcelona u19 squad I miss Hugo Alba, Nil Calderó, Antonio Martín, Jan Colomé, Alexis Olmedo and Héctor Rangel

https://www.transfermarkt.es/alexis-olmedo/profil/spieler/938150

https://www.transfermarkt.es/hugo-alba/profil/spieler/937957

https://www.transfermarkt.es/antonio-martin/profil/spieler/834480

https://www.transfermarkt.es/nil-caldero/profil/spieler/834471

https://www.transfermarkt.es/jan-colome/profil/spieler/938152

https://www.transfermarkt.es/hector-rangel/profil/spieler/938151

Hey! I am here to discuss the situation with Denis Suarez. I am aware of his current situation regarding the fall-out between the owner and Denis due to a disagreement regarding his choice of agency.

 

The game literally makes it impossible to play him or sell him, and he is leaving on a free transfer upon the end of his contract in '23. I am just wondering if this is a true reflection of his IRL situation. Is there anything that can be done to mitigate this situation and/or change his mind about leaving? Are there any better ways which we could translate his IRL situation to the game?

 

To clarify, I'm not saying the game is wrong. I'm just questioning

hace 12 horas, alexhcfc dijo:

Hey! I am here to discuss the situation with Denis Suarez. I am aware of his current situation regarding the fall-out between the owner and Denis due to a disagreement regarding his choice of agency.

 

The game literally makes it impossible to play him or sell him, and he is leaving on a free transfer upon the end of his contract in '23. I am just wondering if this is a true reflection of his IRL situation. Is there anything that can be done to mitigate this situation and/or change his mind about leaving? Are there any better ways which we could translate his IRL situation to the game?

 

To clarify, I'm not saying the game is wrong. I'm just questioning

In the database it is correctly reflected, it seems more like a bug in the game, as the impossibility to register it should only apply to Vigo, and not to all the clubs in the game.

Hi, I hope this is the right place to post this.
Considering Federico Valverde's form and explosion this season I think his attributes are underrated (and I think largely unchanged compared to 22.4.1 right?).
The guy is currently a top 5 all around midfielder and he keeps scoring bangers every week.
His technicals (especially Dribbling, Finishing, Long Shots & Technique) and some of his mentals are definitely in need of an upgrade.
Also I don't think he's particularly known to "Try Long Range Passes" all that often.

Castilla coaching staff: Castilla get pre-season up and running ahead of 2022/23 campaign | Real Madrid CF
Taking their places alongside Raúl in the Castilla coaching staff will be Marcos Jiménez, who will serve as his assistant; Alberto Garrido, assistant coach; Alain Sola, fitness coach; Mario Soria, goalkeeping coach, Víctor Paredes rehabilitation coach; and Luis Gutiérrez, performance coach.

Real Madrid Youth teams staff: El Juvenil A y el Juvenil B inician la pretemporada 2022/23 | Real Madrid CF
Juvenil A estuvo dirigida por Álvaro Arbeloa, que, en su tercera temporada como técnico del club, se estrenó en el cargo acompañado por Julián Carmona, segundo entrenador; Ricardo Da Silva, preparador físico; y Miguel Ángel González, encargado de la preparación de los porteros.
El Juvenil B Fran Beltrán repetirá al frente del equipo junto a Eduardo Díaz-Crespo, como segundo entrenador. El cuerpo técnico lo completarán Alberto Isla, que ejercerá de preparador físico, y Sergio Gómez, que se encargará de la preparación de los porteros.

Fisioterapeuta and Physiotherapist Real Madrid

1. Lalo Berciano Guerrero
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2. Ramon Salas Martínez
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3. Pablo Garcia Fuente
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4. Javier Santamaria
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5. Davide Violati
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En 21/10/2022 a las 8:42, d.s.d99x dijo:

In Barcelona u19 squad I miss Hugo Alba, Nil Calderó, Antonio Martín, Jan Colomé, Alexis Olmedo and Héctor Rangel

https://www.transfermarkt.es/alexis-olmedo/profil/spieler/938150

https://www.transfermarkt.es/hugo-alba/profil/spieler/937957

https://www.transfermarkt.es/antonio-martin/profil/spieler/834480

https://www.transfermarkt.es/nil-caldero/profil/spieler/834471

https://www.transfermarkt.es/jan-colome/profil/spieler/938152

https://www.transfermarkt.es/hector-rangel/profil/spieler/938151

Hello,

First of all, thank you very much for the post. Any criticism or suggestion is always welcome to improve our work.

That said, the players you mention are all from the Juvenil B (U19 B) squad and we have the criteria of only reflecting the Juvenil A (U19 A) squad. This year, due to the license for European competitions, we were asked to expand the youth squads with all those registered in the Youth League, and perhaps that is why you have noticed that this year we had included more players than usual, completing the squad with players from Juvenil B, but not all of them.

During this first phase of the season we will closely monitor which players participate in the Division of Honor and in the Youth League, and if any more need to be added, it will be for the winter patch update. 

I also take this opportunity to remind you that we are only authorized to create players who have turned 16 on the game/winter patch release date, which is why Lamine Yamal or Albert Navarro will not be able to appear in the game until next season's edition.

Cheers.

Edited October 27, 2022 by onedrama

hace 22 horas, NicklasBlack dijo:

Hi, I hope this is the right place to post this.
Considering Federico Valverde's form and explosion this season I think his attributes are underrated (and I think largely unchanged compared to 22.4.1 right?).
The guy is currently a top 5 all around midfielder and he keeps scoring bangers every week.
His technicals (especially Dribbling, Finishing, Long Shots & Technique) and some of his mentals are definitely in need of an upgrade.
Also I don't think he's particularly known to "Try Long Range Passes" all that often.

Well, you've said it yourself, "this season". We'll see if he continues this way and will be readjusted in the winter patch. And his attributes have changed compared to FM22, I'm pretty sure of it.

About trying long passes, he has done it a lot while he played in the middle. This year he's playing as a winger, so he doesn't tries long passes that much, but he still has the ability to do it.

hace 16 horas, Varp dijo:

Castilla coaching staff: Castilla get pre-season up and running ahead of 2022/23 campaign | Real Madrid CF
Taking their places alongside Raúl in the Castilla coaching staff will be Marcos Jiménez, who will serve as his assistant; Alberto Garrido, assistant coach; Alain Sola, fitness coach; Mario Soria, goalkeeping coach, Víctor Paredes rehabilitation coach; and Luis Gutiérrez, performance coach.

Real Madrid Youth teams staff: El Juvenil A y el Juvenil B inician la pretemporada 2022/23 | Real Madrid CF
Juvenil A estuvo dirigida por Álvaro Arbeloa, que, en su tercera temporada como técnico del club, se estrenó en el cargo acompañado por Julián Carmona, segundo entrenador; Ricardo Da Silva, preparador físico; y Miguel Ángel González, encargado de la preparación de los porteros.
El Juvenil B Fran Beltrán repetirá al frente del equipo junto a Eduardo Díaz-Crespo, como segundo entrenador. El cuerpo técnico lo completarán Alberto Isla, que ejercerá de preparador físico, y Sergio Gómez, que se encargará de la preparación de los porteros.

This will be checked for next patches, thanks for the info.

Reinildo has probably been Atletico's best player since Jan, and while he's decent on the game, I'd put him higher (not sure what he was on FM22 as didn't play). Only 14 for stamina etc when he's non-stop in games, minutes played attached.

Bruno Iglesias & Takuhiro Nakai both struggle to make it into the Real Madrid Castilla atm. Not sure what either has done in the past 12 months to keep their high PA from last year's FM.

hace 7 horas, WanderersWay dijo:

Bruno Iglesias & Takuhiro Nakai both struggle to make it into the Real Madrid Castilla atm. Not sure what either has done in the past 12 months to keep their high PA from last year's FM.

The PA is the potential ability, and they still have the same potential than last year. You have to look at the current abilitiy (CA), that's what measures the level of the player atm.

12 hours ago, Zinegod said:

The PA is the potential ability, and they still have the same potential than last year. You have to look at the current abilitiy (CA), that's what measures the level of the player atm.

Yes understand that, what I'm saying is that I don't think they're really deserving of that in this year's game. There are other players in the RM Castilla side who have shown far more promise like Álvaro Rodríguez & Iker Bravo and should have higher PA than those two

Can the following be added to the FM23 database please?

 

Paulo Araujo   Scout/Chief scout   Barcelona      

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/paulo-araujo-a4b7105              

https://www.football-espana.net/2022/04/24/barcelona-appoint-inexperienced-director-of-scouting-paulo-araujo

 

Honorio Martinez   Chief Doctor  Eibar

https://www.sdeibar.com/primer-equipo/plantilla/eibar/3

https://www.sdeibar.com/noticia/honorio-martinez-nuevo-responsable-de-los-servicios-medicos-del-eibar

 

Julian Carmona  U19AM  Real madrid

https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2022/07/19/el-juvenil-a-y-el-juvenil-b-inician-la-pretemporada-2022/23

 

Diego Portugal Maziel  Chief Doctor  Almeria

https://www.udalmeriasad.com/club/consejo-de-administracion-y-areas

https://www.udalmeriasad.com/equipo/plantilla/almeria/3

 

Hector Uso  Chief Doctor  Villarreal

https://villarrealcf.es/primer-equipo/plantilla

 

Ivan Bravo Chairperson   Alcorcon                       (staff member was on previous fm versions  29186416)

https://www.adalcorcon.com/club/organizacion

En 25/10/2022 a las 11:23, WanderersWay dijo:

Yes understand that, what I'm saying is that I don't think they're really deserving of that in this year's game. There are other players in the RM Castilla side who have shown far more promise like Álvaro Rodríguez & Iker Bravo and should have higher PA than those two

Well, that's your point of view. I still believe Iglesias and Nakai can reach that potential and be two great players in the future.

Anyway, time will say if I was right or not.

Looks like Valencia have appointed a new chairperson.

Chay Lay Hoon   (staff member was on previous FM versions  67215105)

https://www.valenciacf.com/en/club/directors-board

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/football/football-chan-lay-hoon-appointed-valencia-president-again-replaces-anil-murthy

Could she be added to the fm23 db please?

 

Thanks

En 25/10/2022 a las 16:00, kb1000 dijo:

Can the following be added to the FM23 database please?

 

Paulo Araujo   Scout/Chief scout   Barcelona      

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/paulo-araujo-a4b7105              

https://www.football-espana.net/2022/04/24/barcelona-appoint-inexperienced-director-of-scouting-paulo-araujo

 

Honorio Martinez   Chief Doctor  Eibar

https://www.sdeibar.com/primer-equipo/plantilla/eibar/3

https://www.sdeibar.com/noticia/honorio-martinez-nuevo-responsable-de-los-servicios-medicos-del-eibar

 

Julian Carmona  U19AM  Real madrid

https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2022/07/19/el-juvenil-a-y-el-juvenil-b-inician-la-pretemporada-2022/23

 

Diego Portugal Maziel  Chief Doctor  Almeria

https://www.udalmeriasad.com/club/consejo-de-administracion-y-areas

https://www.udalmeriasad.com/equipo/plantilla/almeria/3

 

Hector Uso  Chief Doctor  Villarreal

https://villarrealcf.es/primer-equipo/plantilla

 

Ivan Bravo Chairperson   Alcorcon                       (staff member was on previous fm versions  29186416)

https://www.adalcorcon.com/club/organizacion

Hello,

First of all, thanks for the feedback.

Regarding Pablo Araújo, we will create him in the winter patch. I already advance you, but, that we will not give him the role of Chief Scout. We will give him good attributes of people management and staff evaluation, but we will not give him the coordination responsibilities that he does have in real life, as we also didn't give them to Jose Mari Bakero as a Spain Scouting Director / Youth Football Scouting Director.

The reason is simple, the figure of the "Technical Director" in FM (a kind of employee coordinator) is not the same as in Spanish football, where the Technical Director/Sporting Director is the right hand of the Director of Football. In the FC Barcelona sports organization chart, as you can see, the Director of Football is Mateu Alemany and the Sporting Director is Jordi Cruyff:

https://www.fcbarcelona.es/en/club/news/2791833/the-organigram-of-area-de-futbol-definido

https://www.fcbarcelona.cat/ca/club/organigrames/futbol

The best way to capture reality in the game is to have Mateu Alemany as Director of Football and Jordi Cruyff as Director/Chief Scout. Also for the winter patch we will consider the creation of Franc Carbó as Technical Director if the appointment of Joan Vilà as Director of Methodology is not confirmed beforehand, a role that we identify in Spain as the closest as the Technical Director role is understood by the game.

Cheers.

Edited October 27, 2022 by onedrama

44 minutes ago, onedrama said:

Hello,

First of all, thanks for the feedback.

Regarding Pablo Araújo, we will create him in the winter patch. I already advance you, but, that we will not give him the role of Chief Scout. We will give him good attributes of people management and staff evaluation, but we will not give him the coordination responsibilities that he does have in real life, as we also didn't give them to Jose Mari Bakero as a Spain Scouting Director / Youth Football Scouting Director.

The reason is simple, the figure of the "Technical Director" in FM (a kind of employee coordinator) is not the same as in Spanish football, where the Technical Director/Sporting Director is the right hand of the Director of Football. In the FC Barcelona sports organization chart, as you can see, the Director of Football is Mateu Alemany and the Sporting Director is Jordi Cruyff:

https://www.fcbarcelona.es/en/club/news/2791833/the-organigram-of-area-de-futbol-definido

https://www.fcbarcelona.cat/ca/club/organigrames/futbol

The best way to capture reality in the game is to have Mateu Alemany as Director of Football and Jordi Cruyff as Director/Chief Scout. Also for the winter patch we will consider the creation of Franc Carbó as Technical Director if the appointment of Joan Vilà as Director of Methodology is not confirmed beforehand, a role that we identify in Spain as the closest as the Technical Director role is understood by the game.

Cheers.

Hi,

Many thanks for your extensive reply- its appreciated.

I didnt know the technical director role is interpreted differently in spanish football- fact learnt for the day!

Thanks for all your hard work.

why does it say that Barcelona are due to move to the Spotify Camp Nou in 2025 

does the game class this as a new stadium? 

hace 3 horas, wesleymcuk dijo:

why does it say that Barcelona are due to move to the Spotify Camp Nou in 2025 

does the game class this as a new stadium? 

Hello,

First of all, thanks for the feedback.

The answer to your question is no. In-game there will be a future Capacity Change to 105.000 people from 01/07/2025.

The reason of the move is well explained here: https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/club/news/2594099/agreement-on-the-transformation-of-espai-barca-and-work-on-new-camp-nou-to-begin-in-june

Cheers.

Los jugadores y cuerpo técnico del Betis no tienen seteado que ganaron la Copa del Rey 2022.

Aparte no está como "empleado favorito" ni cómo icono/ leyenda Ruben Castro Martín.

Hi, I don't think that, overall, the attributes of players in Betis reflect the reality. In the game, the press prediction is 8th in league, whereas right now they are 4th and indeed nobody expects then to not be at least in the first 6. This actually reflects that players are not fully properly translated to the game. I think these players attributes hasn't been properly updated with their current performance,and some seems to be a reflect of what the players were years ago. Just a couple of examples:

- William Carvalho: if I understand the attribute "flair" properly, his value makes 0 sense. He is extremely talented and surprising with the ball, much more than it seems when you first a big, strong slow guy like him. Just google his goals last season, even though he is obviously not a goal scorer.

- Aitor Ruibal: this player is currently very important in the team, and had a huge improvement in the last couple of seasons specially because of his mentality, work rate and strength. He is this kind of players that is not extremely good in anything but good enough in everything. Although his work rate is not low (work rate = 14), I feel that he is one of those few players in the league that should have ~18 in that attribute, something like Espino in Cadiz. I don't know about his hidden attributes but it also should reflect the kind of player that he is, always giving 100% never surrendering and extremely consistent.

- Alex Moreno: since a couple of seasons, one of the best full backs of the league. Just look at his stats and performance. His attributes don't reflect that.

Not all I ask are positive changes though:

- William Jose: I think part of his mentals should decrease, specially work rate.

- Loren: Also overrated, since a couple of seasons he is a shadow of what he was.

But overall, what I mean is that I think the team feels outdated and a revision should be made.

hace 7 horas, el_manayer dijo:

Hi, I don't think that, overall, the attributes of players in Betis reflect the reality. In the game, the press prediction is 8th in league, whereas right now they are 4th and indeed nobody expects then to not be at least in the first 6. This actually reflects that players are not fully properly translated to the game. I think these players attributes hasn't been properly updated with their current performance,and some seems to be a reflect of what the players were years ago. Just a couple of examples:

- William Carvalho: if I understand the attribute "flair" properly, his value makes 0 sense. He is extremely talented and surprising with the ball, much more than it seems when you first a big, strong slow guy like him. Just google his goals last season, even though he is obviously not a goal scorer.

- Aitor Ruibal: this player is currently very important in the team, and had a huge improvement in the last couple of seasons specially because of his mentality, work rate and strength. He is this kind of players that is not extremely good in anything but good enough in everything. Although his work rate is not low (work rate = 14), I feel that he is one of those few players in the league that should have ~18 in that attribute, something like Espino in Cadiz. I don't know about his hidden attributes but it also should reflect the kind of player that he is, always giving 100% never surrendering and extremely consistent.

- Alex Moreno: since a couple of seasons, one of the best full backs of the league. Just look at his stats and performance. His attributes don't reflect that.

Not all I ask are positive changes though:

- William Jose: I think part of his mentals should decrease, specially work rate.

- Loren: Also overrated, since a couple of seasons he is a shadow of what he was.

But overall, what I mean is that I think the team feels outdated and a revision should be made.

Good afternoon,

I'm Jose the Betis AR from the middle of last season.

First of all, thank you very much for your opinion. It's always constructive when someone contributes their point of view. I'll respond to you.

Regarding the first question, the press prediction is something that depends on the CA16 and the reputation of the club. This is something I didn't know as it's my first year as an AR. I will try to improve it for the winter patch. In any case, in the simulations I've done prior to the release of the game, Betis usually end up always fighting for European places, which is their goal this season.

Regarding the players I haven't touched too many things due to lack of time, but in winter you should see changes. I agree with the assessment of Carvalho, but he still needs more adjustments to prevent him from finishing the season with a disproportionate number of goals and assists, as is the case with Fekir.

As for Aitor Ruibal, I'm also thinking of raising his work rate. I hadn't compared him to similar players like Espino. My mistake.

With Willian José I want to be cautious, as it's true he hasn't started the season well, but I'll take a look at his mental attributes.

I did play Álex Moreno a lot because last year he was even worse than this year. Especially in terms of physical attributes. Due to my inexperience, I prefer not to make abrupt changes so as not to overvalue players, but he is monitored to get him back to where he deserves to be.

As for Loren, if he doesn't play or come out, I'll end up downgrading him, although it's a shame because I think he's going through a pretty big mental block.

Thanks again and if you have any other comments, I'm here to read them.

Best regards,

Jose                                                                                 

4 minutes ago, Jota90 said:

Good afternoon,

I'm Jose the Betis AR from the middle of last season.

First of all, thank you very much for your opinion. It's always constructive when someone contributes their point of view. I'll respond to you.

Regarding the first question, the press prediction is something that depends on the CA16 and the reputation of the club. This is something I didn't know as it's my first year as an AR. I will try to improve it for the winter patch. In any case, in the simulations I've done prior to the release of the game, Betis usually end up always fighting for European places, which is their goal this season.

Regarding the players I haven't touched too many things due to lack of time, but in winter you should see changes. I agree with the assessment of Carvalho, but he still needs more adjustments to prevent him from finishing the season with a disproportionate number of goals and assists, as is the case with Fekir.

As for Aitor Ruibal, I'm also thinking of raising his work rate. I hadn't compared him to similar players like Espino. My mistake.

With Willian José I want to be cautious, as it's true he hasn't started the season well, but I'll take a look at his mental attributes.

I did play Álex Moreno a lot because last year he was even worse than this year. Especially in terms of physical attributes. Due to my inexperience, I prefer not to make abrupt changes so as not to overvalue players, but he is monitored to get him back to where he deserves to be.

As for Loren, if he doesn't play or come out, I'll end up downgrading him, although it's a shame because I think he's going through a pretty big mental block.

Thanks again and if you have any other comments, I'm here to read them.

Best regards,

Jose                                                                                 

Hola Jose (asumo que eres español), muchas gracias por considerar mi opinión. Tampoco pretendo hacer mi equipo el mejor, ni mucho menos, y uno tiende a mirar a su equipo con ojos distintos a los demás, tanto para lo bueno como para lo malo . Puse esos ejemplos simplemente para reflejar que pienso que debería actualizarse el equipo un poco en general, ya que lleva un par de temporadas rindiendo por encima de lo que todos esperábamos y muchos jugadores, sin embargo, siguen reflejados de la misma manera o muy similares. En general es bastante difícil, mirando a cada jugador de manera independiente esto de comprender si se trata de una racha (tanto buena, como mala en el caso de Loren por ejemplo) o si habría que actualizar los atributos, pero bueno si veo algo que me chirrié así fuerte, como el tema del talento en William Carvalho, lo comento por aquí por si podría ayudarte a considerarlo.

Muchas gracias por tu esfuerzo!
 

hace 19 minutos, el_manayer dijo:

Hola Jose (asumo que eres español), muchas gracias por considerar mi opinión. Tampoco pretendo hacer mi equipo el mejor, ni mucho menos, y uno tiende a mirar a su equipo con ojos distintos a los demás, tanto para lo bueno como para lo malo . Puse esos ejemplos simplemente para reflejar que pienso que debería actualizarse el equipo un poco en general, ya que lleva un par de temporadas rindiendo por encima de lo que todos esperábamos y muchos jugadores, sin embargo, siguen reflejados de la misma manera o muy similares. En general es bastante difícil, mirando a cada jugador de manera independiente esto de comprender si se trata de una racha (tanto buena, como mala en el caso de Loren por ejemplo) o si habría que actualizar los atributos, pero bueno si veo algo que me chirrié así fuerte, como el tema del talento en William Carvalho, lo comento por aquí por si podría ayudarte a considerarlo.

Muchas gracias por tu esfuerzo!
 

Precisamente porque también es mi equipo, temo dejarme llevar por las emociones que estamos viviendo y acabar creando monstruos . Para la salida del juego suele prestarse más atención a la creación de nuevos jugadores (y eso que aún me faltan por crear algunos juveniles que tenemos cedidos al Calavera), pero ahora para invierno el objetivo es actualizar los atributos de los jugadores y ajustarlos bien. Por eso cualquier comentario constructivo y con educación, se tiene en cuenta.

Por cierto, este año como novedad en el Betis, todos los jugadores del Betis Deportivo tienen todos sus atributos. Espero que lo disfrutes.