Staffing at Clubs

The staffing of clubs in FM has always been something that's bugged me. Keeping in mind that I normally play at CL quality teams or just the level below that, why is that that most of the coaches on staff are fairly poor to average? I understand and I'm not expecting that not everyone can be a world class coach but surely the some of the biggest clubs would have mostly average to better than average coaches? Traditionally starting at a new club for me means firing the majority of the staff to bring in better replacements.

Also there are clubs where the staffing level is minimal at best. At Real Madrid in the latest demo, you've got 2 GK (which are generally the few coaches I can keep), 1 fitness, 1 first team only and 2 general coaches. At Barca has 4 fitness coaches and 1 general coach. Now, maybe in real life, that one guy is good enough to handle all the attacking, defending, shooting, etc coaching duties but FM doesn't work that way and to maximise coaching stars, you need guys to be focused on a single area.

Agreed. This is the biggest thing that keeps me from playing new versions of FM. It takes FOREVER to set up back room staffs, sort out training, scouting, etc. I don't know why teams can't be set up properly.

For example, Juve has pages of coaches and scouts IRL, but it's hard to get more than 2.5 stars of training from the original setup.

Totally agree, this is something that has annoyed me for ages.

I completely agree. Has this been improved in FM10 or not?

Not from the looks of it. My two examples are from FM10. Valencia isn't much better.

I had a quick look at some other teams in Serie A and they were equally bad. Not sure why it's so bad...but if all AI teams are like this it's no wonder why regens don't develop on AI teams. Maybe instead of individual coaches SI should introduce coaching levels like the youth training facilities, i.e. players 'buy' coaching levels rather than hiring coaches. This would make ramping up much faster as I'm not sure the 'color' that individual coaches add is offset by the comical results, at least at the top division level. The coach hiring model seems to fit better at the LLM level.

I totally agree with this. I hope they improve this for FM 2011!!

The staffing of clubs in FM has always been something that's bugged me. Keeping in mind that I normally play at CL quality teams or just the level below that, why is that that most of the coaches on staff are fairly poor to average? I understand and I'm not expecting that not everyone can be a world class coach but surely the some of the biggest clubs would have mostly average to better than average coaches? Traditionally starting at a new club for me means firing the majority of the staff to bring in better replacements.

Also there are clubs where the staffing level is minimal at best. At Real Madrid in the latest demo, you've got 2 GK (which are generally the few coaches I can keep), 1 fitness, 1 first team only and 2 general coaches. At Barca has 4 fitness coaches and 1 general coach. Now, maybe in real life, that one guy is good enough to handle all the attacking, defending, shooting, etc coaching duties but FM doesn't work that way and to maximise coaching stars, you need guys to be focused on a single area.

Just make used of the search engine & recruit more staff into your club.

The point is rather that I shouldn't need to. There should be a decent backroom staff already.

The point is rather that I shouldn't need to. There should be a decent backroom staff already.

But then invariably you'd get people complaining they want to set this up themselves. To be honest now you do get suggestions for your ass man for new staff, a rather useful tool I fell. Saves on the endless trawling through staff search lists.

If the staff were half decent, there'd be no need for wholesale changes.

IMO the staff now are more specialised and tend to have 1 or 2 strong attributes rather than being good at everything. I do agree that the Spanish sides inparticular do appear under staffed. But is this not because Barcelona 'B' for example will have they're own coaches?

The point is rather that I shouldn't need to. There should be a decent backroom staff already.

Why bother playing the demo. SI haven't made it difficult to search for staff in the game.

If SI accepts your point of having top quality staff at the beginning of every game, then others will probably want the best players the best scouts & the best assistant managers too.

This kind of logic of having 'top quality staff' on startup is ridiculous. Enjoy the game for what it is. It supposed to test your mettle as a manager.

I'm sure there are links on the forum, that will direct you to employing the best staff, if you dont want to search for yourself.

don't most back room staff move around with the manager anyway? therefor it would make sense when you join a club a lot of the backroom staff leave when the manager gets sacked

No one wants to spend a few hours bringing in new staff. Its one of those things that have always felt like hassle in fm. The whole coaching/ training side of the game should be enabled to be turned off in settings.

The ability to scout staff would be awesome - or perhaps someone from within the club will start interviewing staff for you and you get the best candidates whom you choose to hire or not. Or perhaps your assistant will do the job:

Mike Phelan suggests you hire more youth coaches to teach defensive skills.

Options:

1) Ask Phelan for suggestions on who to sign

2) Ask Phelan for suggestions on rearranging coaching roles to do this instead

3) Disagree with Phelan

4) Tell Phelan to stick to bursting balloons

Why bother playing the demo. SI haven't made it difficult to search for staff in the game.

Because from experience, the full game isn't any(much) better.

If SI accepts your point of having top quality staff at the beginning of every game, then others will probably want the best players the best scouts & the best assistant managers too.

This kind of logic of having 'top quality staff' on startup is ridiculous. Enjoy the game for what it is. It supposed to test your mettle as a manager.

When did I say 'top quality staff'? At best I said that Champions League sides should have decent staff. I'm not suggesting that a team like Real Madrid or Barcelona should have 5 star coaches for everything; just having more than one "coach" would be a start.

I'm sure there are links on the forum, that will direct you to employing the best staff, if you dont want to search for yourself.

Congratulations for missing the point completely. I can find the staff I want (if they exist). What I'm saying is that it's unrealistic for major sides to have virtually no coaching staff.

I think it's just a Spain thing. Like I said this may be becasue Barcelona B, Castilla etc all employ their own staff. But I know that Arsenal for example start with 13 coaches each of reasonable ability.

Liverpool have about 5 fitness coaches and 3 gk coaches

Don't forget as well your ass man counts as an extra coach.

Because from experience, the full game isn't any(much) better.

When did I say 'top quality staff'? At best I said that Champions League sides should have decent staff. I'm not suggesting that a team like Real Madrid or Barcelona should have 5 star coaches for everything; just having more than one "coach" would be a start.

Congratulations for missing the point completely. I can find the staff I want (if they exist). What I'm saying is that it's unrealistic for major sides to have virtually no coaching staff.

And you try to help some people!