[How we're introducing women's football into Football Manager]

How about defining PC?

[How we're introducing women's football into Football Manager]

5 hours ago, Ronnieekelund said:

Yeah but you can't play as a LGBT or a suicidal person in game so completely different when putting womens football into the game.

Not sure how that is  relevant at all. The point is simply that SI sometimes does things for ethical reasons rather than for profit.

In any case, we won't be playing 'as' women's football, whatever that means. We will just be playing as the same manager characters we always have, just in a game world with a new set of employment opportunities added in.

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8 minutes ago, Crispypaul said:

Well, they claim they do.

(not SI by the way)

there speaketh a healthy skeptic

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6 minutes ago, TioPatinhax said:

As a company, SI wont last much more if they keep on making decisions like this in the future. Same applies for any other company

Loads of companies make ethical choices at the expense of profit. Otherwise they would all have the same tax footprint as Amazon. It's about striking a balance between profibability and principle.

[Football Manager 2022 Teaser Trailer]

3 hours ago, mikelfc8 said:

Has there ever been a year when the first bit of teased information contained every new innovation?

 

1 hour ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Nope

I thought that would be the case.

There are some legitimate points on this thread, but acting like the teaser trailer is all there is, and that no other new features will be announced, is not reasonable.

 

[Football Manager 2022 Teaser Trailer]

Has there ever been a year when the first bit of teased information contained every new innovation?

 

[Football Manager 2022 – Debuts November 9th]

Playmaking wingbacks?

["Teams can sign no more than six foreign Under-21 players from abroad in a season."]

I'm happy to be corrected, but I think it is the player's age on the day they actually join the club that counts.

For these purposes the English League season does indeed start with the summer transfer window - 9th June.

21 year olds do not count as part of the 6. Loan players do though - I got caught out on that one.

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1 minute ago, XaW said:

Please do. Let's keep this thread on topic from here on.

No problem

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@XaW is that a request for me to let it go too?

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19 minutes ago, Bradley21 said:

You have several times said that everything you've heard people say on the topic boils down to misogyny, one of which is my post, which you are directly replying to. Therefore it is reasonable to assume you are referring to me in your comments. If i said "I've never seen anyone with a spriteart avatar who wasn't a *insert descriptor here*" you would quite rightly assume that i was referring to you, even i didn't name you explicitly, so you're not fooling anyone with this. 

Andi never complained about anyone being left wing, i simply stated it is a progressive feature which is being defended in a very conservative manner. I find that amusing, and you trying to twist my words and the narrative again is sad. 

I don't understand the point of this, just say what you want to say. 

 

I don't want to say anything, I want to know if you have complained about the announcement of every new addition that meets the criteria under which you justified your dislike of the addition of women's football.

If you have, and have the posts to back it up, then fair enough.

If you haven't, then I'll be interested in why not.

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9 minutes ago, Bradley21 said:

I really wish it was worth replying to this post in any depth, but all you've done is accuse me of being a misogynist and pushing aside anything i say due to this. Nowhere did i say i dislike womens football and nowhere did i rail on women. You accuse me of a strawman, but your whole stance on everyone being a misogynist to deflect discourse/support your own agenda is the largest strawman in the room. 

Although, you being a right wing voter says it all about your ability to see other sides of the coin and partake in reasonable discourse. So i shouldn't be surprised. 

When you're complaining about being stereotyped it might be an idea to avoid stereotyping.

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7 minutes ago, Bradley21 said:

Yes. The media questions and interviews. They take up time, very rarely make sense, are repetitive and are nothing but an annoyance. 

 

They are all reactions to the in-game experience, not the announcement of the feature. I should have been clearer.

Have you actively disliked the announcement of any other feature?

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45 minutes ago, Bradley21 said:

This is a straight up insult to anyone who doesn't want the mode added for purely gameplay reasons. You say there are no reasons to be upset about this but there are plenty. Whether you agree or not isn't relevant, you can't just call everyone who disagree with the addition - or you - a misogynist. That's point blank offensive, but it seems the moderators of this forum love to throw insults around while censoring anything negative anybody else says on here.

 

As far as i'm concerned, it's a mode i won't play because i have zero interest in it, and i actively dislike it's addition for the following reasons:

 

1) A very small % of the playerbase will play it long term, certainly a % that won't make the development cost and resources worthwhile. FIFA added womens international matches and only 4.04% of players even opened the mode, never mind continued playing long term. Now FM has an older and probably more progressive playerbase than FIFA, and this will be an entire mode rather than just international games, but that % will still be very small. 

2) You say it didn't impact development because a new team was hired. Well to that i say that the game has been dire for years in terms of new features and refinement, so why was a new team never added to fix clearly broken or useless things like the AI transfers system, player progression, ME improvements, graphical improvements, youth academy improvements, more realistic injury module, better network game features, improves media....there are lots of things players would love a new team added to tackle. 

3) Performance issues could be a thing. Now if the mode is entirely separate then fine, it isn't an issue, but i suspect that somewhere along the line it will interact with the main game. More than happy to be proven wrong here though. 

Adding the womens game is obviously brilliant for inclusion, and it gives Miles some lovely PR, but I don't think those reasons are good enough to make it worthwhile for the average player. It's funny that is a progressive and left wing addition to the game, but everyone defending it is quite happy to just rubbish everyone off as a misogynist if they disagree with them, a very right wing way to go about discussions. 

Have you actively disliked the addition of any other features?

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32 minutes ago, DMaster2 said:

I've been extremely critical last summer when the headline features for fm21 were a big fat nothing, but since i'm an die hard fan of the game i ended up purchasing it again... And honestly the only good thing about this year is the optimization in terms of time saved when loading/saving and going through the season. Stop, that's pretty much it.

I'll watch closely what the new features are this year and what got fixed and what didn't, before buying this time.

... nevermind, thought better of it

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9 minutes ago, DMaster2 said:

Considering this year i think they could use an improvement on the staff of the "main" game as well... But i guess since there is no competition they aren't in a hurry to improve the game i guess.

 

11 minutes ago, DMaster2 said:

1) When there aren't major issues with the ME,  gamebreaking bugs, etc... that don't require 3 patches to sort them out? And let's not mention the lack of reworks needed for years now like graphics, transfer system, international management, etc...

I'm not moving anything and i don't have any issue with them adding ladies football but this year's version has been a disaster (imho, before someone wants to argument on this) with basically nothing new substantially, a broken ME that took 3 patches to sort it out and a broken transfer system that isn't sorted out even after those, so i would be rather annoyed if the next game end up similar to this due to a focus shift.

2) But it's not a feature that will be delivered on the next version which is my top priority atm, while they are indeed spending time and resources for something that will come at 2023 at the earliest.

Again if in the new features highlight i see quality stuff i'm more than happy, if i see something similar to last year not so much.

Seeing as you have stated that there are problems that go back years and have never been resolved, have you consistently complained over those years about every new feature that potentially distracted from improving the 'main' game?

[Impact of change]

32 minutes ago, Platinum said:

There should be a staff dynamics,  similar to player dynamics. It's currently way too simple to fire all your staff and bring in better ones without it having any affect. In reality staff need to settle in and there personality needs to be able to get on with both the players and other staff.

Another thing is that there isnt any staff attribute masking. You are somehow able to know the attributes of every staff member in the world. In reality staff recruitment is based on referrals and interview processes because there is no way of knowing how good a staff member is without that.

Excellent points there. The only element of that that is already in the game may be the adaptability stat. I think that relates to settling in and getting up to speed.

[Return of The Tactics Bible......Maybe.....]

How to a tweak a title winning tactic to cope with other teams now viewing you as a major threat. How to move them around, draw them out and create space once they are sitting in against you.

I suppose that falls under maintaining a tactic.

[[Suggestion] - Affiliate scouting knowledge should include youth and B squads]

Pretty simple one really. When we get scout reports on our affiliate teams, especially the ones we have youth development links with, then the scouts should scout the youth U18/19/B etc. squads as well.

Thanks

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3 hours ago, FrazT said:

I am a Mod and not a developer but I would suspect that because the loan signing is contractual, that player would count

Ooops, apologies for tagging you, I assumed the mods had a direct line to the development team for stuff like this.

Thanks for your best guess, I think your probably right.

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Hi @FrazT, any chance of an official word on this?

22 hours ago, mikelfc8 said:

Anyone know if it includes loan signings?

I'm guessing it does but confirmation would be nice.

 

[Max 6 foreign u21 players transfer limit in Premier league]

Anyone know if it includes loan signings?

I'm guessing it does but confirmation would be nice.

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6 minutes ago, PhilT said:

Have the right to question me? Lol  This a games forum, not an inquest. Bye bye 

Of course I have the right to ask you questions. As evidenced by me asking them. And you answering them. It is one of the primary functions of forums, even ones about games.

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4 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

Tbf, we have no idea if it will affect performance or if it does, how much. This is something that more than a year away, at the very least (as there is no timeline, but confirmed it's not going to be FM22) so it's probably best to wait until there's more actual info to go on. "Performance" issues at this point is something we have no idea about. A lot of optimising can be done in conjuction with this being added, so the smart idea would be to wait until we know more. The thread was just to let us know it's coming and being worked on for the future. Let's wait for more details, before knee jerk reactions, no? 

Exactly, let's wait and see.

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1 hour ago, PhilT said:

Didn't expect the replies I received. Think i've learnt a lesson to google questions I have in future rather than ask them on the forum lol 

Just as you have the right to post any question you want, so other posters have the right to question you.

This has been a pretty emotive announcement and, sadly, this thread has been plagued with misogyny.  Invoking god to make sure that you didn't have to play a game of football manager with women in it suggested your concerns went beyond your computer struggling with a more bloated game. I was interested if that was the case, so I asked.

You have stated that you have no issue with women's football being part of football manager, and that is splendid.