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I'm not tactical genius as Experienced Defender, but sometimes I prefer to adapt a winger to Inside forward role. For example, to learn "Cuts inside from left wing" for Reiss Nelson. It can give more width for your team play and can work pretty nice.
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4 minutes ago, nic4301 said:
And also, as to why I ticked "focus play down the right", it is something that I learnt after looking at the guides to creating overloads on the dictatethegame site. I believe all this instruction does is to increase the mentality of the players on the right flank, meaning they will make more forward runs. That's exactly what I want to achieve. If I had picked "focus play down the left" instead, my players on support duties there will become more attacking, which is something I do not wish to see; I only want them to keep the ball between them.
Unlike FM20, Focus play instructs players to move into the focused area.
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Happy to see discussion about 4411
20 hours ago, Tsuru said:Maybe a BBM, BWM or CM on support could work here. Personally I love the BBM; but it depends a lot.
Based on your experience with 4411, how CM on support interacts with AM on support? Won't they operate the same space?
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2 hours ago, diLLa88 said:
That's nuts for a first season, good job. Glad you are liking it.
What's your tactic like?
I can highlight some key factors of successful season:
1) Very low level of injuries during the season (as you can see on screen #2 all my top players played 99% matches)
2) No champions cup matches
In terms of tactics, the base was:
Of course I made some tweaks in big matches (Real Madrid, Barcelona, At.Madrid) - for example LOE to standard and Defensive to Higher for more compact play and etc.
Some tweaks in matches with mid low teams - for example Run at defense or be more expressive and etc.
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Just finished my first season. Valencia is very, very cool team to manage.
Great first team - Soler, Gaya, Maxi Gomez
Great young players - Lee Kang-In, Musah.
For my tactics I needed a good ball winning midfielder (very, very limited budget). So, I bought Zobnin from Spartak Moscow (£4.8) and Ugarte.
Results of my first season: Spanish first division champion and lost to Real Madrid in Spanish cup =(
Real Madrid is the only team I lost all my matches - 2 in champ and 1 in cup final
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You should think about balance in your team. 8 of 11 players are attacking and you have very aggressive team instructions. Nobody can support your forwards.
I recommend to read this topic:
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2 minutes ago, danbanbury said:
That's odd then, I'm not sure how to explain that 😂!
Yeah pretty well, we had a tough start to the new season, first 3 league games were Liverpool, man United and man City! We got pumped 4-1against Liverpool and 5-0 against man City, but only lost 1-0 to man united after player with 10 men from 10 after my striker got sent off so we did well in that game. It was abit of naivety on my part, I didn't make any tweaks to the tactic at all, I just wanted to see if we could compete at that level but we're still some way off. Our squad is still so young. I think the oldest player in the starting 11 was 26. Since then however we've moved up to 7th or 8th I cant remember off the top of my head which one and we've not lost another game. After about 9 games I think. Its looking really promising, watching the games really helps and I'm started to tweak bits in games just to see if things pay off. For example upping the tempo is something I've work quite well in moving the opposition around with quicker passing.
Wow, heavy games in the first 3 league games...
Yes, watching matches really helps, but sometimes it upsets. Watching a match, know what you want to do but can't realize it in terms of game tweaking.
Also wanted to say that I explored pretty well combination for possession style play in 4123DM: Winger Support, Mezzala Attack, IWB Defence. I think it can also work with Inverted winger. It looked perfect in terms of balance: IWBde supports passing options in the DM strata when your tean is attacking and also a good cover for Mezzala as players in this position usually have lack in defense. So, if your players fit for this roles I highly recommend to try it.
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9 hours ago, danbanbury said:
I'm not sure why the BWM would play better than an anchorman, is it the same against bigger teams too?
Yes, BMWde position looks great against any team I play.
9 hours ago, danbanbury said:My guess would be that because you dominate teams the anchorman doesn't really have much to do and is quite a static role. The BWM can go hunting for it as soon as you loose possession to win it back quickly for you? Obviously other people with more knowledge maybe able to answer that for you.
You know, I thought that if he goes hunting - I will switch back to Anchor or Half Back. But when I started to watch matches I didn't see him loosing position or too much pressing. I can say that it looked like anchor man...
How are you getting on?
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5 hours ago, camoulton21 said:
I personally think that your tactic is sensibly built and suits your team/players very well. The best thing for you to do now is test it out and see if everything is working like you'd like. The connection between midfield and attack might be worth keeping an eye on because sometimes in false 10/false 9 strike partnerships the connection between midfield and attack can be lost because of the aggressive 10
Yes, thank you for information. I never used shadow striker. I preferred AMat. But will give it a try - Oyarzabal looks great, so if something goes wrong I can try to use another role for my 4 forward players.
1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said:No, it looks fine. Which does not guarantee that it will work for your team. Anyway, test the tactic and see
Yes, thank you. I hope for the best - but always ready to use 4123 DM =)
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14 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:
I really don't understand why so many people insist on the 4231.
As for me, I just decided to try 4231, because my last 4231 was in FM15-16 I think..And I want to explore new role for me - shadow striker.
And in terms of roles and duties, what do you think? Are there any obvious mistakes?
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Hey, managers!
I decided to start new game - Real Sociedad and want to try 4231 formation.
Need your help and advice with my setup. Maybe I'm totally wrong with roles and duties or TI. Or maybe this formation, tactic, style is not suitable for the team.
How I want to play: I want to play attacking football, dominate the game. Ideally, mix of possession and intensive attacking football. I don't want slow possession over 60%, I want to be more aggressive.
Snapshot of my the team:
Media prediction: 7
My setup:
Also I use Split block with my 4 forward players
My idea was to try combo DLFsu and SS with my two key players:
So, what do you think?
Did I make rough mistakes? What I need to think about?
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Wow! And what is your idea to play with 3 playmakers in the middle?
In fact, I'm sure you need to change a lot, especially in terms of roles and duties.
I believe that @Experienced Defender will help you, but you have a lot of work to be done!
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7 minutes ago, danbanbury said:
Absolutely smashing it! Great set of results, does It produce the football you want to see? It's a very similar set up to what I have now. Producing tidy stuff, need to work on producing some more goals next season
Yes, I'm really happy because when I started the game I wanted my team to play attacking football, but try to avoid high possession style.
My idea was to have a balance. Be ready to dominate and be ready to defense against Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern and etc.
I do not like to much possession and prefer more direct style,but I think it is really hard to play for Benfica with more direct approach. All my opponents play with low block, reduce the space, so I think this is maximum direct style for my team.
The only thing I can't understand is why BMWde is playing much better than Anchor Man for my tactic.
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1 hour ago, danbanbury said:
That's cool, it sounds promising whats your current tactical setup?
This is my tactic for home league.
I use split block: DLF, IW, IF, DLP, CM
DLPse - more direct passing, CMat - roam from position, BMWde - mark tigher (occasionally).
When I play away game with Porto or sporting I tend to avoid Counter press and play counter, but it depends on how the match is going.
In Champions Cup games I usually change roles, IWat to IWs, Left WBsu to FBat, with top teams I play counter, small split block - DLFsu to DLFat. And I don't play Overlap left/overlap right. Sometimes without work ball into box and be more expressive. I watch matches at full and try to see what I need to do - for example Play into space.
And PI: cross from deep to FBat (occasionally) and etc.
All depends on my opponent and how match goes
My results this season are very good: 31 match without loosing (from the end of my first season) in Premier league (only 3 draws) .
I feel myself much better in Champions Cup: tough group + Arsenal, Napoli, Lille - and I have first place, only one away draw with Arsenal.
So, I can say I dominate in the premier league and dream about champions cup.
In my first season I played with High Def Line and Standard LOE + split block, but after loosing Bayer 0-3 I decided that I need some changes.
I changed to Higher line of engagement, began to use counter press and changed one role: Luis in DM position played as Anchor man and I changed it to BMWde.
And it really began to work.
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5 minutes ago, danbanbury said:
In terms of players to upgrade i'm not sure. It's difficult as we have the youngest squad in the premier by a good couple of years and alot of our players have potential to become better so i'm tempted to give them time. Barrera playing AMR IW (s) gets quite low ratings and i don't seem to get much from him but again it's he's only 21 and his first season in a new country. We played some decent stuff and are solid at the back. A lot of the time i'm confident that if we can get a goal we'll go onto win the game.
And in terms of tactics? Because for me it't really hard to stop with upgrading, testing something new. I know that sometimes my team struggle with my experiments, but I need to learn. And the best way to learn for is try smth myself.
10 minutes ago, danbanbury said:How are you getting on?
Now I can say - much better than 2-3 weeks ago =)
I manage Benfica (it is very interesting to me, because in league, 98% of matches I need to break down defensive teams - so I need to be attacking, aggressive team. And I need to adapt my tactics to play in Champions cup, because the level of competitors is much higher.
I played only two seasons: first season I won premier league, two domestic cups, but failed in Champions cup and played in Euro cup. And I lost it to Lazio: 3-0.
Now is my second season and I have very, very good results, both in premier league and in Champions cup. But it's only December...
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1 hour ago, danbanbury said:
Away Results:
Looking pretty good =)
And what you can say about games with Norwich, West Ham, Leeds, Valencia? You were closer to win the game or avoided defeat?
15 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:Home Results:
You need a home win against Everton =)
As I see you played quite a lot of matches with your new tactic? Do you see the areas to upgrade? What do you think does not work good?
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7 hours ago, danbanbury said:
Hey @olegmelnikov, during the matches did you notice it happening a lot? I'm not sure on the answer but it could because of team/player instructions. I'm really not an expert, trying to learn things myself. What were the players like playing in those positions?
Yes, I noticed that Mezzala is often to close to IWs. When I set up roles and duties I believed it could be great pair, but CMa is much better for my team.
I'm sure that the problem is with my style of play (I want to play more direct, fast, progressive football) or with my Mezzala player.
So, all we can say, that every team is unique and it's really interesting thing that in one case it can work and in other it fails.
8 hours ago, danbanbury said:I'm really not an expert, trying to learn things myself.
Yes, in my case learning takes near 50% of the time I play FM.
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What you can say about your attacking movement? What do you think about playing MezAt and IWs?
Several weeks ago I tried this combination, but failed.
You can see the screenshot: IWs, MezAt, WBs are in the same position =)
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8 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:
Player instructions are not so literal. Telling a player to "stay wider" does not mean he will hug the touchline all the time. Instead, it just encourages him to use wider areas a bit more often, i.e. as the player sees fit. The same applies to any other instruction. But I think @olegmelnikov was actually asking about adding the "stay wider" PI to a FB on support duty instead of using a WB on support.
Sorry, I tried my best to express my thoughts properly, but my English is still on double intensity training =) So, I asked about "stay wider" PI to a WB on support - my idea was that it can help to lure opposition defender and open space for Mezzala or Box to box player.
6 hours ago, danbanbury said:Fair enough, that's good to know. I'm learning a hell of a lot in this thread. Apologies i read that wrong, i thought he was referring to a wing back role.
I fully agree that this thread is much more about learning how to create tactic than just ready made solution.
Waiting for your first results =)
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Great thread, mates! Thank you!
5 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:You need the fullbacks to provide attacking width in the first place. Roles that can do that are: FB on attack, WB on attack and WB on support. (CWB is not an option here because it works better in narrow systems, where he is the only wide player on his flank).
Does it make sense to give PI Stay wider to fullbacks?
2 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:Ideally, the DM would be played in the half-back role, considering roles and duties around (an attack-minded fullback on each flank and the attacking mezzala in front of him).
Just a small question, What do you think of Anchor man for DM position in this setup? Of course, if player's attributes fully fit for playing as Anchor man.
1 hour ago, danbanbury said:When i get a few minutes i'll try a few games and see how it plays out and I'll look into the analysis tabs and see what i can gain from there like @Zemahh has suggested.
I hope you will share the analysis with us =) Do you have a plan how to analyze it? Are you going to compare your old setup with new one?
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@Experienced Defender, just wanted to say thank you again. I played a half of a season using your recommendations.
What I can say...
On 09/05/2020 at 14:57, Experienced Defender said:But do you still insist on such style of football with Man Utd? Because your style of play needs to suit your team's reputation. Otherwise, it may not work even if the tactic itself is perfectly designed.
No, I don't =)
The results are pretty well. In matches with big clubs your tactics looks awesome. In matches with mid table and underdogs - you can hear voices of your players to play attacking, progressive football
But it was a good experience for me how to adapt counter attacking football and I opened new role for me - WM. thanks for that =)
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2 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:
Such combo may prove a bit too risky defensively, given the type of roles (as well as players).
Yes, it's rather risky, but my idea was to use it in matches with underdogs, when it is hard to strike a goal.
Now I need to think, what can I do in matches, where my opponent is playing defensive football and my counter attacks are rather useless.
7 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:Why do you think he can be bad as an IWB? Because of his attributes or something else?
His passing is 10 and loss in the middle of the pitch can be dangerous.
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1 hour ago, Zemahh said:
Going by RDF Development Guide (Google it, I can't post 3rd party links here), training him on Playing Position (no special focus, which I assume has the lowest Potential Ability cost), Additional Focus on Crossing and Intensity on Automatic (80+% and 90+% condition = Double Intensity), would probably result in quickest growth for Crossing and Technique.
Thank you! That's interesting and rather logical: overall train is lower and focusing on individual can give much more impact on the focus.
1 hour ago, Zemahh said:If @Seb Wassell could confirm/deny that, that would be fantastic.
I think it's our turn to research it =)
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On 10/05/2020 at 00:49, Seb Wassell said:
Training position alone means they are training in all the attributes for that position but to a lighter degree. They are not focusing on a single role. Training in a position alone is a lighter workload than training a specific role and covers a broader range of skills but to a lesser degree. It'll default to where they play.
In this case, for example: I want to improve crossing of my left Wing back. Am I right that the most effective training is to put him on training the position - defender left and add additional focus on crossing, than train him as wing back support with additional focus on crossing? Or it's the same in terms of crossing training?
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New to Fm after a break and need DM help
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I think it's better to show a screenshot of your tactics, because DM role can't work in isolation and cover your both wingbacks.