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    OpenAI ChatGPT is a gamechanger for FM immersion

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by enigmatic

    2 hours ago, forameuss said:

    The free-text would be potentially more interesting, although all depends on the implementation.  It is also limiting, like Cobblers said.  I don't think you should necessarily have to have a spotless grasp of the English (or any other language if supported) to be able to get the most out of a game.  

    But having said that, there's probably no way you can really stop a lot of these implementations from becoming repetitive.  More combinations just means it'll take longer to get repetitive.  Offering some kind of free-text option might boost those options massively, but you still need to translate that into something that actually means something to the game, and if there's (number completely imagined) a million different ways you can say something, but only 10 datapoints coming out of that, then you don't have a million different ways to say it.

    I think the key thing is the free text (like the current free text) doesn't actually do anything of any significance

    Sure, it's megalolz when you add "and journalists are cockroaches and scum, and I'm sleeping with the chairperson's daughter" and you get an AI write an article about it, and the article is quite coherent and believable even though it does also accuse you of being a racist. Then you still have your job and journalists still like you, and it's not exactly adding to the realism. 

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    Santiago Tiago, the outspoken manager of Portuguese football club Portimenese, has caused outrage with his latest comments about journalists. Speaking at a press conference following his team's victory over bitter rivals Sporting Lisbon, Tiago boasted about sleeping with his chairperson's daughter and called journalists "cockroaches" and "scum".

    Tiago's comments have sparked widespread condemnation from journalists and fans alike. Many have called for him to be fired from his position as manager, citing his inappropriate and offensive behavior.

    This is not the first time that Tiago has caused controversy with his comments. He has previously been accused of making racist and sexist remarks, and has been embroiled in several scandals involving his personal life.

    Despite the backlash, Tiago has shown no signs of remorse. In a statement to the press, he defended his comments and accused journalists of trying to bring him down.

    It remains to be seen how the situation will play out, but one thing is clear: Tiago's reputation as a manager is in tatters, and many are calling for him to be removed from his position. With the team struggling on the field and the manager's behavior causing chaos off it, the future looks bleak for Portimenese.

     

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    Similarly, the assistant's advice is unreliable enough already, a glorified text continuation engine that's absorbed lots of sentences about FM and football but has no idea how to actually play the game and needs careful prompt engineering to generate any advice at all isn't an improvement (seriously, if you type out which striker is better in every relevant attribute, it's not a surprise a text continuation engine could give you something that looks like a reasoned answer based on which attributes one striker is better than the other. Yago Cariello is a crap Complete Forward and Rochez probably better suited for a pressing and counter attacking game though, so I'm not sure it's a good answer except from the point of view of being coherent text...). 

    Every time it gives you a good answer like suggesting that although Messi is a world class footballer he is not typically considered a good target man [because he is not known for his strength or aerial ability), it'll give you a bad one like suggesting he's an excellent pressing forward. The game already has functionality that's a bit like that sometimes, but at least it can be debugged...

     

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    NOT SOUTHGATE'S LAST HURRAH: The England 2022 campaign

    in 2022 World Cup Forum

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    25 minutes ago, Weezer said:

    I don't necessarily believe the Daily Star but I don't know what you guys are thinking the alternative would be to the statements England put out. He's still an England squad player that could have a future with them, and Southgate has also proven to not be a dick, of course they're not going to throw him under the bus by revealing he'd been slacking with his homework or had a bust up with the coaching staff. Of course they're going to be diplomatic about it and protect the player and the rest of the squad, fringe player or not.

    18 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

    Player will have friends in the squad, would be really odd to thrown him under the bus while the tournament is still ongoing. Also you can 100% believe what the Star have written and also know it won't be the whole story. Could be other issues surrounding him falling out with people that you have to respect.

    Big gap between choosing not to throw someone under the bus and his clubmates going out of their way to signal they're with him as if he's got emotional/family issues rather than disciplinary ones. Not like Southgate hasn't gone public with disciplinary decisions before either

    This just feels like a bit of journalistic licence on the already trending "Ben doesn't even like football" rumour, and comes from a source that makes the Sun look a newspaper.

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    OpenAI ChatGPT is a gamechanger for FM immersion

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, b28937 said:

    and regarding your point about it not being able to write a credible answer regarding why I substituted my striker, all I have to do is say, I am a manager of a football club and provide it the relevant game info (e.g., rating, stats, game time/score, if he had two goals already, if he had a yellow card, etc, then say, write a report about why I made the decision or whatever.  It will in fact tell exactly what one would expect

    Sure, if you already know the answer and write it down, it will rewrite it with more words. But I don't see that as a learning aid :D   Or it saying "I am sorry, but I do not have information about specific soccer games".

    Same with the scout report. It can summarise the stuff that's already there (less sophisticated AI has been summarising texts for years), unless you don't provide it with all the information in which case it apologises for not being able to help. Which is a pity, because I kind of hoped to get a Shakespearean description of my striker who is a fairly consistent performer with a fair amount of pace and a balanced and normal personality, but this wasn't enough information for ChatGPT to try it.

    Same with basically any non-generic tactical question like ones asked on these forums...

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    I'm sorry, but as a large language model trained by OpenAI, I do not have the ability to browse the internet or provide definitive information about specific gameplay mechanics in soccer video games. My function is to assist with general questions and provide information on a wide range of topics. If you have specific questions about player instructions and their interactions with other gameplay mechanics in a soccer video game, I would recommend reaching out to the game's developers or consulting the game's documentation for more information

    The really generic ones with loads of blogs like "what technical attributes does a complete forward need", it can handle. But so can a manual

    Beyond that, if SI need to provide all the information to a GPT model in text form, they might as well skip the bugs and apologies and just provide the information in text form to the end user....

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    OpenAI ChatGPT is a gamechanger for FM immersion

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by enigmatic

    18 hours ago, b28937 said:

    These are the kinds of things I like to look back on if I’m doing a serious long term save.  After a few years I see that I made a bad player decision.  Instead of looking at game data to reconstruct what I did and why.  Now instead of scratch notes about this stuff, I have a series of professionally written newspaper articles independently analyzing my decision.  Same with matches and other important events.

    But the difference is that the game data actually tells you what you did in game and what the outcome was, and GPT-type chat models have no concept of what you did in game or how it affected the outcome, although if you tell it "write an article about why Santiago Tiago should not have substituted his star striker" they can produce a reasonably convincing article about how Santiago Tiago should not have substituted his star striker because substituting the player upset him (even though the player was perfectly content and the actual problem was that Santiago Tiago substituting his star striker meant they conceded possession very time they won the ball back and they possessed no threat at all when the opposition equalised) 

     

    14 hours ago, DarJ said:

    you also have to keep in mind that sometimes SI's definition are a bit different from what it would be IRL

    Case in point: the "communication skills" that ChatGPT mentions if you ask it about scouts vs recruitment analysts are not at all relevant for scouting in FM (you can safely ignore "people management" "personality" and "media handling" in your scouts but "judging player ability" and "determination" and knowledge of specific regions are critical). ChatGPT3's ability to provide generic paragraphs which have nothing to do with actually playing the game is impressive but not at all useful for understanding the game, as opposed to generic football concepts that have been written about a lot.

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    NOT SOUTHGATE'S LAST HURRAH: The England 2022 campaign

    in 2022 World Cup Forum

    Posted

    3 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said:

    Capello was always in an unwinnable situation.

    You can't create a united squad from players already mostly in their late 20s or early 30s when there's a career-long hatred between a lot of them.

    His only mistake was not kicking a few of them out. But then he would've faced a massive outrage from the public.

    A team like that needed an army camp, but it wasn't enough. No time off and family contact? It's a month of hard work with biggest trophy in football being the prize. If you can't focus on that, then you shouldn't be on the team.

    Southgate created a great atmosphere, but it was a completely different situation. Older players weren't stars and were happy to just be a part of NT. Younger players bonded together better because days of bitter football rivalries are long gone.

    nah, not having that. Unwinnable? He had a good squad with expectations so low that World Cup 2010 was considered acceptable, that was one of the few major teams still playing his favourite 442. Same players had played better in previous tournaments without the army camp, club rivalries or no club rivalries (and for another old foreigner who didn't get the club rivalries and did love kludging players into a rigid 442). Hilarious thing was the only player who actually had a proper public clash with Capello was Terry, the players didn't back Terry, and then Capello ends up dying on the hill of "but nevertheless, he should still be captain if he's in court explaining why he racially abused Rio's brother" a couple of years down the line

    tbf, Euro 2012 was about the right time to duck out because those players were getting old, but it also underlined how terrible his man management was.

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    England vs Senegal, Round of 16. 7PM GMT, Al Bayt Stadium

    in 2022 World Cup Forum

    Posted

    Rice will be fine if Bellingham comes deep to offer an option that can carry the ball forward or play one twos a bit more often. Not coincidence that when Bellingham's been on the ball we've looked fantastic, and when he's been the other side of a press our midfield has looked missing (first 30 minutes today, USA game until he was subbed off). Bellingham seems like a guy that learns quickly though, which is handy.

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    England vs Senegal, Round of 16. 7PM GMT, Al Bayt Stadium

    in 2022 World Cup Forum

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said:

    More bizarre how in a lot of these threads Utd fans are complaining about their players not starting considering how **** they've been for years 

    More bizarre how you'd conclude this when we've been more likely to complain about one of the two United players starting! Think this forum had as many Leeds fans as United fans who would have started Rashford, and not because there are more Leeds fans...

     

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