Coop Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Just how effective do you find it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJoe Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 If your defence has been playing together for a while then it's very effective. But if you have a defence which has just been assembled then you will sink faster than the titanic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupertj Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 If your defence has been playing together for a while then it's very effective. But if you have a defence which has just been assembled then you will sink faster than the titanic Does the game actually recognise that sort of stuff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 I've been trying with and without the box ticked. My defence has performed noticeably better without it ticked. I have two new fullbacks this season so as TigerJoe suggests that may be the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggsl02 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I have had it ticked with my Bayern save and only conceded 10 goals in a season, so it is effective. But you do need a good organised defence for it to work I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupertj Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I push my defensive line up a lot, so the offside rule is risky for me; I think in such a case it's better to leave it unticked. You should also consider the fact that very slow defenders may not be able to pull it off when up against the likes of Eto'o or Walcott etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I push my defensive line up a lot, so the offside rule is risky for me; I think in such a case it's better to leave it unticked. You should also consider the fact that very slow defenders may not be able to pull it off when up against the likes of Eto'o or Walcott etc. On the contrary, if you have players with the right attributes, playing a high defensive line and the offside trap go hand in hand. As you noted though, slow defenders can be a liability in the offside trap, and a high defensive line against faster strikers, but that's not all that matters. I find defenders with good all around mental attributes such as positioning, anticipation, concentration, are excellent with the offside trap. With good attributes and practice in pre-season, it doesn't take long to gel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Does the game actually recognise that sort of stuff? Yes. The game recognises more about football than you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupertj Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Yes. The game recognises more about football than you know. It recognises more than I realise it does, or it recognises more than I myself recognise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooenspiel Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 So what would be considered as fast for a defender then? The Fastest defender i've seen on the game (considering i only usually play the english league and don't load many others) is Rio Ferdinand, with around 16 for both acceleration and pace (obviously depending on how he has trained). What would be the minimum number for these attributes when considering a defender as 'fast'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 It recognises more than I realise it does, or it recognises more than I myself recognise? Possibly both, it depends how much you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZdlR Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 So what would be considered as fast for a defender then? The Fastest defender i've seen on the game (considering i only usually play the english league and don't load many others) is Rio Ferdinand, with around 16 for both acceleration and pace (obviously depending on how he has trained). What would be the minimum number for these attributes when considering a defender as 'fast'? If your defenders' acceleration and pace are greater than your opponents' front line's acceleration and pace, you have a 'fast defender'. There are no absolutes when it comes to Team A vs Team B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 So what would be considered as fast for a defender then? The Fastest defender i've seen on the game (considering i only usually play the english league and don't load many others) is Rio Ferdinand, with around 16 for both acceleration and pace (obviously depending on how he has trained). What would be the minimum number for these attributes when considering a defender as 'fast'? Christian Zapata. Best CB you'll find in the game, in my opinion. He's quick and strong. Good at heading. He knows what he is doing. He's only 21, and will cost you, at the most, £15M. He's an excellent player. I usually sign him every January(he fails medical tests at the beginning of the season because of a broken jaw). Oh, he's got 17 for Acceleration, in case you were wondering. EDIT: Oh, I almost forgot - Micah Richards. He's younger, quicker and stronger than Zapata. However, he's much harder to get than CP. He'll set you back at least £20M. When I was Man City, Richards and Zapata were excellent together. But, if I wasn't City, I wouldn't have Richards. So it'll be difficult for you to get both of them. Especially when it will cost you £30M or so to get both at the one time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Anyone with pace and perhaps more importantly, acceleration, of 12+ I find is fine. Obviously there's particularly fast defenders out there as have been mentioned, but a defender I consider to be an all-around beast, is none other than Federico Fazio from Sevilla. Best defender on the game IMO and usually the first person I sign when playing as a higher level club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolobok Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Anyone with pace and perhaps more importantly, acceleration, of 12+ I find is fine. Obviously there's particularly fast defenders out there as have been mentioned, but a defender I consider to be an all-around beast, is none other than Federico Fazio from Sevilla. Best defender on the game IMO and usually the first person I sign when playing as a higher level club. I almost always play with pretty high DL and offside box ticked. But my defs (Everton) all have pace 15+ bar P.Neville (he serves more as moral leader now though and plays as a backup) and Rodwell (who I hope will gain a point or two as he develops). Works just great, except when I face Arsenal or ManUtd away. But then again, my tactical approach for those games are quite different from most of other matches. I looked at Fazio and decided against signing him as I always try to keep the best players in the game out of my team (unless they are already in) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 My defence has been together for a while now. They are all pacey with high concentration. I played them in a high line with offside. Result = Won the league, the FA Cup and the CL. Awesome!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoExclusive Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I've got a rather slow but incredibly talented backline. Chiellini, Vidic, Demichilis, Ramos. Would you recommend Offside Trap ticked for this backline? I've already got a pretty high D-Line. Second question. Mainly towards Heath but also JDownie. Looking at my backline, would you recommend a different/faster backline? Would you still recommend Fazio in my lineup etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 XenoExclusive - Depends on their mental attributes, if high, then being mentally quick is of equal effectiveness to physical speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Goalkeeper communication plays a role aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoExclusive Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Well mentally they are fine, and I'm only conceeding 0.4 at the moment. I guess as the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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