ssswxb Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 I doubt that. THere seem to be different rules for AI and gamers. What's your opinions, guys? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 It's your imagination. SI stress that the ME can't 'see' who is human and who is AI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cini65 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 It's your imagination. SI stress that the ME can't 'see' who is human and who is AI. I'm more inclined to believe my own eyes than what SI tell me. I trust myself more than I do a company who are, at the end of the day, out to make money from me. If the ME treated AI and human equally then you'd see an even spread of 'superkeeper' performances with '1-shot-1-goal' victories shared between AI and human. This isn't the case... not with my experience of the game anyway. Hence, my opinion is that the ME can clearly can distinguish which of two teams is human controlled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsallaboutthierry Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Or you notice when it happens against you more than when it happens for you so it seems to skew your perception. That and the AI doesn't have forums to moan about the times when luck goes against it, but you do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 The Only difference between the AI and the normal user is the following The AI watches the matches in full, slow mode whilst the user does not The AI changes their match-strategy in-game according to the matchstats whilst the human does so from a combination of the stats and from his own interpretation of the 3D/2D presentation The combination of these 2 factors gives them an advantage to make statistically - yet static correct decisions more often and more often in time than the common user Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebedee77 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 The Only difference between the AI and the normal user is the following The AI watches the matches in full, slow mode whilst the user does not The AI changes their match-strategy in-game according to the matchstats whilst the human does so from a combination of the stats and from his own interpretation of the 3D/2D presentation The combination of these 2 factors gives them an advantage to make statistically - yet static correct decisions more often and more often in time than the common user But to counterpoint that, the user is not restricted to specific pre-set ideas on how to take advantage of flaws/holes in what the AI is able to put forward. Essentially, the more time you're willing to put into the game, the greater the player's advantage over the AI and the player has the ability to be much more flexible (both by being proactive and reactive) than the AI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 But to counterpoint that, the user is not restricted to specific pre-set ideas on how to take advantage of flaws/holes in what the AI is able to put forward. Essentially, the more time you're willing to put into the game, the greater the player's advantage over the AI and the player has the ability to be much more flexible (both by being proactive and reactive) than the AI. Yepp ( thats what I meant with Static). When you put in the effort the user gets an advantage over the AI, no doubt about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tafse Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 That and the AI doesn't have forums to moan about the times when luck goes against it, but you do Thats what they tell us, but how do we really know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssswxb Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 It's your imagination. SI stress that the ME can't 'see' who is human and who is AI. Do you believe what you heard or what you saw. I just can't persuade myself that it's tactical always losing a game as the better side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 If the ME treated AI and human equally then you'd see an even spread of 'superkeeper' performances with '1-shot-1-goal' victories shared between AI and human. Whatever the AI can do so can you, it's the same engine nothing differs. But to counterpoint that, the user is not restricted to specific pre-set ideas on how to take advantage of flaws/holes in what the AI is able to put forward. Essentially, the more time you're willing to put into the game, the greater the player's advantage over the AI and the player has the ability to be much more flexible (both by being proactive and reactive) than the AI. The most sense anyone has posted in a long, long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssswxb Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 Whatever the AI can do so can you, it's the same engine nothing differs.The most sense anyone has posted in a long, long time. SO, can you tell me WHY I am not able to score with tons of 'clearcut chances', while AI alway scores with a poor chance. I am not talking about this in one single game, but throught out seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubos Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 The most sense anyone has posted in a long, long time. So, disregarding all the more intelligent users on this forum I see. Picking up from what TheBetterHalf said, that's true. The match engine is a mere graphical representation of what we can see of the match, and that is probably a disadvantage to the human user, who is after all, just watching specks more on the screen, particularly people like me who still watches in 2D. After all, when a post match interviewer asks me if the penalty was a correct decision, who am I to tell by watching some dots on a screen? I believe that the AI is able to see clearly what is happening on the pitch, but that is an advantage only by the most unfortunate default, since the average human user only watches matches in key parts, and only gain the information the AI does by looking at statistics and certain parts of the match, which of course does not tell the full story. However, the major disadvantage the AI has is that it's a programmed engine, and it tackles issues fairly rigidly, and if the human user picks the correct approach against the AI, it is usually undone pretty easily, and that is due to the human flexibility, and not the AI who can only pick solution A to problem A. And this disadvantage of the AI, far overshadows that of the advantage they might possess in reading the match engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 ssswxb - broken record, tbh. Read some of the threads here where it's been explained a million times. ubos - you're still using the language of how to win by exploiting the ME. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not playing against a blinkin' computer - I'm playing against a football team. You can win with better tactics - genuine football tactics. There is a myriad of advice around here on how to close your tactical loopholes - some of you people don't read any of it and just blame the game. Rant over, having just crashed out of the cup to an amateur side! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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