English League System [Research Thread / FM2010]

[Tocqueville]

I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to researching information for the lower leagues that some may wish to add with the new Competitions Editor. The biggest challenge is how to accomodate lower leagues with the existing "ability" system. It would, of course, be silly to have teams full of players with "1s" as attributes. Therefore, if you are knowledgable about the clubs in these leagues, your help would be much appreciated! I am going to construct a website in which people can add player information to an online database. From this, once the game is released, editors will be able to use this open source database in order to build the teams. For now the main priority is to get lists of the team 'rosters' (sorry to sound so American), and from there attributes can be decided.

EXISTING STRUCTURE

LEVEL 1 - Premier League

LEVEL 2 - Championship

LEVEL 3 - League One

LEVEL 4 - League Two

LEVEL 5 - Conference

LEVEL 6 - Conference North / Conference South

UNINCUMBENT LEAGUES [TO BE ADDED]

LEVEL 7 [3] - Northern Premier League Premier Division, Southern League Premier Division, Isthmian League Premier Division

LEVEL 8 [6] - Northern Premier League Division One North, Northern Premier League Division One South, Southern Football League Division One Midlands, Southern Football League Division One South & West, Isthmian League Division One North, Isthmian League Division One South

LEVEL 7

Northern Premier League Premier Division [21]

Team List:

Ashton United

Boston United

Bradford Park Avenue

Burscough

Buxton

Durham City

FC United of Manchester

Frickley Athletic

Guiseley

Hucknall Town

Kendal Town

Kings Lynn

Marine Arriva

Matlock Town

Nantwich Town

North Ferriby

Ossett Town

Retford United

Stocksbridge Park Steels

Whitby Town

Worksop Town

Southern Football League Premier Division [22]

Team List:

Banbury United

Bashley

Bedford Town

Brackley Town

Cambridge City

Chippenham Town

Clevedon Town

Didcot Town

Evesham United

Farnborough

Halesowen Town

Hednesford Town

Hemel Hempstead Town

Leamington

Merthyr Tydfil

Nuneaton Town

Oxford City

Rugby Town

Stourbridge

Swindon Supermarine

Tiverton Town

Truro City

Isthmian League Premier Division [22]

Team List:

AFC Hornchurch

Ashford Town (Middlesex)

Aveley

Billericay Town

Bognor Regis Town

Boreham Wood

Canvey Island

Carshalton Athletic

Cray Wanderers

Dartford

Harrow Borough

Hastings United

Hendon

Horsham

Kingstonian

Maidstone United

Margate

Sutton United

Tonbridge Angels

Tooting and Mitcham

Waltham Abbey

Wealdstone

[Tocqueville]

Northern Premier League Premier Division Team Lists

Ashton United : - www.ashtonutd.com/

G - Terry Smith [GK]

D - Danny Caldecott [DL], Alex Frost [DL/DC/DR], Gareth Johnson [DC], Ian Kearney [DL/DC/DR], Chris Middleton [DC/DR], Craig Robinson [DC]

M - Ian Bennett [MC, DL, DR], Jordan Hadfield [MC], Iain Howard [ML/MR/FC], Matty O'Neill [MR], Nicky Prescott [DM/MC], Ben Smith [MC], Ross Thaker [ML]

F - Callum Flanagan [FC], Pat McFadden [FC], Ryan Moore [sC], Astley Mullholland [AMC/FC], Marlin Piana [FC], Gareth Richards [sC], Robbie Talbot [sC]

Boston United : - http://www.bufc.co.uk

G - Tom Evans [GK], Aaron Butcher [GK]

D - Nick Jackson [DL], James Cullingworth [DL/DC/DR/DM/MC/], Liam Parker [DC/DR/DM], Shaun Pearson [DC], Chris Wood [DC/DR], Lee Canoville [DC]

M - Matt Austin [ML/MC/MR], Adam Millson [AMC], Mark Camm [MC], Danny Sleath [MC], Anthony Church [MC], Matt Kennedy [ML]

F - Mark Newsham [FC], Mikel Suarez [sC], Jamie Clark [sC], Danny Davidson [FC]

Bradford Park Avenue : - http://www.bpafc.com/

S - Lee Sinnott [mngr], Emma Griffin [Phys], John Deacey [As. Man]

G - Dermot McMurray [GK], Stephen Dickinson [GK]

D - Martin Drury [DL], Simon Ainge [-], Stephen Downs [-], Tom Birch [sW/DC/DM], Jamie Price [DC/MC], Chris Stabb [DC/DM]

M - Roy Stamer [LW/LB], Simon Baldry [-], Robbie O'Brien [-], James Knowles [MC/DM], Matt James [-]

F - Aiden Savory [CF], Andy Campbell [CF], Chris Hall [sT], Jordan Missin [sT], Mark Bett [sT]

Burscough : - www.burscoughfc.co.uk/

S - Alan Cross [phys], Andy Gray [mngr], Steve Hill [As. Man]

G - Alan Fitzpatrick [GK],

D - Ryan Bowen [-], Darren Brookfield [-], James Connolly [CB], Ryan Dacey [-], Lewis Field [-], Farrell Kilbane [CB], Dave Roberts [-]

M - Jonothan Goulding [-], James McCulloch [-], Dominic Merrella [LW/RW], Thomas Moore [-], Matty Parry [-], David Wilson [LW/LM]

F - Darren Byers [sT]. Anthony Murt [CF], Karl O'Donnell [CF], Sean Paterson [CF]

Buxton : - www.buxtonfc.co.uk/

S - John Reed [mngr], Clive Freeman [As. Man]

G - Scott Hartley [GK],

D - Grant Black [DR], Gregg Anderson [DC], Sam Liversidge [DC/DMC], Scott Maxfield [DC/DMC], Tommy Agus [DC]/

M - Christian Millar [MC], Joe Wilcox [MC/L/R]. Kieran Lugsden [MC], Kyle Collins [AMR], Michael Towey [AMC], Niel Stevens [MC], Steve Ridlet [MC],

F - Gavin Knight [sT], Jon Froggatt [sT],

...to be continued (need help!)

Durham City : - http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/durhamcityfc/

FC United of Manchester : - www.fc-utd.co.uk/

Frickley Athletic : - www.frickleyathleticfc.co.uk/

Guiseley : - www.guiseleyafc.co.uk/

Hucknall Town : - www.hucknalltownfc.com/

Kendal Town : - http://www.kendaltownfootballclub.co.uk/

Kings Lynn : -

Marine FC : -

Matlock Town : -

Nantwich Town : -

North Ferriby : -

Ossett Town : -

Retford United : -

Stocksbridge Park Steels : -

Whitby Town : -

Worksop Town : -

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Southern League Premier Division Team Lists

(To be edited)

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Isthmian League Premier Division Team Lists

(To be edited)

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Thanks to the following for contributing:

MachinegunHead, acidmonkey

[MachinegunHead]

I actually did a little bit of poking around the FM09 database yesterday and made the following thread: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=144234 in the main forum.

I've noticed that you have only listed Level 7 and 8 in the leagues you wish to add. I guess this is a fair starting point, but the infrastructure already exists in the game if we wanted to add the 9th level as well. I'm getting ahead of myself though. Things should progress one tier at a time, otherwise they'd never be done right. Also, Tier 7 is easier!

edit: I'll go ahead and do a few team's squads now.

[MachinegunHead]

Note: I added 'S' for staff, just because the information was right there, so I thought I might as well throw it down.

Bradford Park Avenue : - http://www.bpafc.com/

S - Lee Sinnott [mngr], Emma Griffin [Phys], John Deacey [As. Man]

G - Dermot McMurray [Gk], Stephen Dickinson [Gk]

D - Martin Drury [DL], Simon Ainge [-], Stephen Downs [-], Tom Birch [sW/DC/DM], Jamie Price [DC/MC], Chris Stabb [DC/DM]

M - Roy Stamer [LW/LB], Simon Baldry [-], Robbie O'Brien [-], James Knowles [MC/DM], Matt James [-]

F - Aiden Savory [CF], Andy Campbell [CF], Chris Hall [sT], Jordan Missin [sT], Mark Bett [sT]

Burscough : - www.burscoughfc.co.uk/

S - Alan Cross [phys], Andy Gray [mngr], Steve Hill [As. Man]

G - Alan Fitzpatrick [Gk],

D - Ryan Bowen [-], Darren Brookfield [-], James Connolly [CB], Ryan Dacey [-], Lewis Field [-], Farrell Kilbane [CB], Dave Roberts [-]

M - Jonothan Goulding [-], James McCulloch [-], Dominic Merrella [LW/RW], Thomas Moore [-], Matty Parry [-], David Wilson [LW/LM]

F - Darren Byers [sT]. Anthony Murt [CF], Karl O'Donnell [CF], Sean Paterson [CF],

[foxesman]

Does anyone know any details as to what the capabilities of the editor will be? Key questions for me are:

How many levels will it be possible to create? Eg, time permitting, will the hardcore player be able to go all the way down to the lowest level in English football - level 24 - or will he have to stop being so obsessive at level 10 or so?

How complex will created competitions be able to be? For example will it be possible to programme complex relegation/promotion rules, play-offs, suspension rules, player registration regs, etc?

Will it be possible to programme future restructuring of leagues? Eg, the Northern Premier, due to the folding of Newcastle Blue Star, is currently a 21-team league, but is normally 22 teams. Will it be possible to change this to a 22-team league from the second season of the game?

[Tocqueville]

Thanks for helping out with the team lists MachinegunHead; that's great.

I've just read your other topic. It's interesting to see how easy the actual league-adding process will be with the new editor due to the already existing framework. I guess, therefore, that the priority has to be assigned to researching the players of each squad since SI has only included a few real players for these teams. So for the sake of playability, it is necessary to give these teams their actual players. This is why we shouldn't rush and consider any levels below level 8 at this moment in time because although we could activate those leagues, they would be useless without non-generated players - but yes, it is the goal, I suppose.

One step at a time would seem to be the best approach.

How many levels will it be possible to create? Eg, time permitting, will the hardcore player be able to go all the way down to the lowest level in English football - level 24 - or will he have to stop being so obsessive at level 10 or so?

The main constraint on this is the current ability/potential ability configuration which wasn't designed for teams at the lowest levels. Likewise, the league reputation variable (out of 20) can not go below 1, so the inhibitions that editors face are more to do with the actual game coding rather than the editor itself. We'll just have to see what happens...it is all technically possible, after all.

[acidmonkey]

Buxton : - www.buxtonfc.co.uk/

S - John Reed  [mngr], Clive Freeman  [As. Man]
G - Scott Hartley [GK], 
D - Grant Black[DR], Gregg Anderson[DC], Sam Liversidge [DC/DMC], Scott Maxfield[DC/DMC], Tommy Agus[DC]/
M - Christian Millar[MC], Joe Wilcox[MC/L/R]. Kieran Lugsden[MC], Kyle Collins[AMR], Michael Towey [AMC], Niel Stevens[MC], Steve Ridlet [MC],
F - Gavin Knight[sT], Jon Froggatt[sT], 

[Legionaire]

I think this page on wiki should give you all the informations you need

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system

You get league structure, team list and official website

[Tocqueville]

Thanks acidmonkey (y).

I think this page on wiki should give you all the informations you need

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English..._league_system

You get league structure, team list and official website

The problem with Wikipedia is that alot of the team lists are not updated (e.g 2008-9 season players). Moreover, I think most of the lists on there exclude information pertaining to which side players play on. Hence why I think it would be better to use the official websites. Thanks for your input though.

[deano_atfc]

Thanks acidmonkey (y).

The problem with Wikipedia is that alot of the team lists are not updated (e.g 2008-9 season players). Moreover, I think most of the lists on there exclude information pertaining to which side players play on. Hence why I think it would be better to use the official websites. Thanks for your input though.

Here's a link to an English non-league forum which could be useful

http://www.nlpl.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi

And there's the site that replaced Tony Kempster's website after he died a few months back

http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/

The latter should have lists off all teams for the levels 8,9 & 10 for the new season

[Scoham]

These are very useful as well-

http://www.thepyramid.info/asp/pyramid3.asp

http://www.thepyramid.info/sections/N.htm

On the second one you can click on a level 9 league and it'll show the leagues below that section, for example all Sussex leagues - http://www.thepyramid.info/sections/Se.htm

Level 10 would be possible, and some of the clubs are already in the DB in 'a lower division'. Any lower than that though and you'll have to load a lot of leagues, and there's not much more room for reputation and CA.

Level 11 is 40 divisions, almost as much as level 1 to 9 put together (46), probably not worth the effort to go that far down - http://www.thepyramid.info/stats/stats.htm

[deano_atfc]

Don't forget all the various League cups (I believe the Unibond League has 3 league cups) and county FA cups. I've always wanted to win the Birmingham Senior Cup on FM