eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 This is happening all the time to me, it is like I have a team full of Under 12's. Defence just goes missing. Look at their Clear Cut chances, and so on. Also possession, I put retain possession on and all, yet I am always losing the ball! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I've noticed similar things early on with my test saves (DC united, Southampton). What is your tactical set up ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peleJunior Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 eastley can you post your set up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Here is my tactics. Altered for last match to use flanks and apply pressure as fulham weakest attribute is right flank and strength. I just took run at defense, be more expressive and pass into space off.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Worked better against Arsenal, but still, CCC! What on earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I've found that CCC's are a bit easier to come by in compared to FM13. Perhaps the issue isn't that you're conceding so many CCC's, but that you're not getting them. Even good teams will concede clear chances. Try setting Johnson to Attack. Using your fullbacks on Auto, with control strategy wont see them play as high up as you probably need considering you have nobody on the wings. Defensively: You've got no support out wide so your fullbacks will be under a good bit of pressure against any club with wide players. This may be the source of your troubles. Having M'Vila in front of the back 4 helps but ultimately it probably isn't enough. You've got a decision to make.. if you want to play without wingers/wide midfielders then you need to decide how to cover your flanks with more than just a full back. Dropping deeper invites pressure from the opposition, exactly what you don't want in this case. Push the defensive line up, or leave it alone (control has it up above average). But definitely don't keep it deep. Maybe try the offsides trap? L'pool players have the mentality to do this, and this may help catch the opposition as they try to take advantage of you down the wings. You could also try playing wider to encourage your midfielders to engage opposing wide players. Use tight marking may be a mistake here too, as you're going to be overrun on the flanks. If you had wingers in front of the fullbacks this would probably be fine, as they'd be able to engage opposition first. As a personal note, I do not use automatic duties. I would try setting Johnson to attack and Enrique to Support. Henderson perhaps could be an advanced playmaker? You've got balanced philosophy so you can have 2 or 3 or 4 specialist-type players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 So I went ahead and made the changes you suggested Baba. First game against Man City, I got smashed into next season. Next game against Crystal Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peleJunior Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Hassle opponents and lower tempo is sort of illogical in my opinion. You got attacking players all on one side and support on another better to mix and match. Support players can pull players out of position and leave space for attacking players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 So I went ahead and made the changes you suggested Baba.First game against Man City, I got smashed into next season. Next game against Crystal Palace. City are a tough club :/ But It looks like you did quite well against CP! The big teams are tough enough as it is to beat, and asking to beat City without any wingers is a tall order as they love to use width (from fullbacks pushing up, and players like Silva/Nasri cutting inside from wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Due to 2 injuries and a suspension, I had to move a CM to AMC with diamond formation. Had 2 backman out too. Coming up against Swansea! I won 1-2. Luckily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I think you might find a diamond formation suits liverpool much better than the 4-1-3-2 you were running. Liverpool would benefit greatly from a creative player, ala Countinho, behind Suarez. Defensive stability is also not as difficult with the diamond as long as you compensate for the fullbacks being on their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 I think you might find a diamond formation suits liverpool much better than the 4-1-3-2 you were running. Liverpool would benefit greatly from a creative player, ala Countinho, behind Suarez. Defensive stability is also not as difficult with the diamond as long as you compensate for the fullbacks being on their own. You would be correct if I had not of sold Countinho and Suarez, lol. I sold my attacking wingers due to them complaining as I had changed formations, most of them are gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contexx Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It seems you're asking an awful lot of your team via instructions and formation. You don't really have anyone who will actually dictate the tempo, although by "personality", I guess all three of your CM"s should be able to do that regardless. Some of the instructions just seem contradictory or require superplayers to execute. For example, Hasslte Opponents/Lower tempo/Pass into space - I guess it can be done, but it seems contradictory, and you're inviting a lot of risk. Sure, against weak opposition, you can get away with it, but I could see how a David Silva or Ozil could exploit the gaps you leave, and the time you seem to allot the opposition. Enrique and Johnson are decent enough going forward, but their every brainfart will be punished because there is nobody on the flank that can help out. I think that one is huge especially because ratings for fullbacks in the BETA are unnaturally high, so even when the fullbacks make mistakes sometimes it's hard to notice unless you see it on the ME. Personally, I would slow down my tempo and closing down, so that you can retain shape. Clear cut chances are often one on one's or situations where your defense leaves too many gaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 You would be correct if I had not of sold Countinho and Suarez, lol.I sold my attacking wingers due to them complaining as I had changed formations, most of them are gone. Well I'm not sure what to tell you then. My advice is to use formations that suit the squad you've got on hand, because trying to implement an entire new system takes a lot of time. Also it is generally accepted that making tons of player transactions upsets squad harmony, so trying to go from, for example, Ajax style to Stoke City style would be nearly impossible without completely changing your team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Took the game to Man City and Won 2-1 in our second game of season! Following advice, I realized that I kept losing the ball, so I went with retain possession and lower tempo. Then it was noted that with no wingers I may struggle, so I played wider. I also found that I was not getting forward enough into scoring positions, so I push up as much as possible, I use offside trap as well and float my crosses in. With those changes I have been playing reasonable footy, I am currently in 3rd position with 4 games to go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Next match, owned Crystal Palace but could not score! I won 1-2 though. Sturridge is proving to not be good enough, only 8 goals compared to Werners 21 I think. Might look for a better partner to Werner next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alinp Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Took the game to Man City and Won 2-1 in our second game of season! Following advice, I realized that I kept losing the ball, so I went with retain possession and lower tempo. Then it was noted that with no wingers I may struggle, so I played wider. I also found that I was not getting forward enough into scoring positions, so I push up as much as possible, I use offside trap as well and float my crosses in. With those changes I have been playing reasonable footy, I am currently in 3rd position with 4 games to go! Getting a bit lost with your Instructions changes - what are you using now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastley Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Getting a bit lost with your Instructions changes - what are you using now? Lower Tempo Retain Possession Float Crosses Play Wider Use offside Trap Shorter Passing (in wet weather may need to take off) Push Higher Up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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