Tristan_Nieve Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Glad the forums are back again, aren't we? Well, back to bussiness: I'm not a tactical genius nor anything like that, but I feel this time I've created a REALLY good tactic. It's a 4-2-1-3, the formation looks like this: It has 2 DMC, yes, but don't get it wrong: the tactic is attacking and produces beautiful football. And yes, it is the same formation which Spain used in the World Cup (with Busquets and Xabi Alonso as DMCs, Xavi as MC, Iniesta as AMR, Villa or Pedro as AML and Torres or Villa as ST). The tactic relies on a short passing game, with control strategy. The aim is to make a beautiful passing game, creating spaces and having always players in the box waiting for crosses or through balls. The philosophy is fluid, with more roaming and more creative freedom allowed, that helps players to move more freely around the pitch, making better off the ball movements and letting players with high decisions and/or flair shine in the attacking and transition phases. Crosses are set as drill crosses because they seem more effective in 11.3, plus they're better to keep possession that float crosses. And what about the tactic defensively? Well, it is set to close down a lot, aiming to win back the ball as soon as possible. It is also set to zonal marking, as I feel it is better when using a high closing down approach, plus I don't see my players making stupid things when the opposition's players roam or swap their positions. The tactic doesn't use the near post corner exploit, but I still get a lot of goals from corners using just the default set up. I think the tactic is quite balanced: it has 3 players on defend duty, 4 players on support duty and 3 players on attack duty. That tries to guarantee that all areas of the play are covered: defensive phase, transition phase and attacking phase. So now let's go to each player's role: GK: Goalkeeper - Defend RB: Full Back - Support CB®: Central Defender - Defend CB(l): Central Defender - Defend LB: Full Back - Support DMC®: Deep Lying Playmaker - Support DMC(l): Anchor Man - Defend MC: Central Midfielder - Attack AMR: Inside Forward - Support AML: Inside Forward - Attack ST: Advanced Forward - Attack I like the way the 5 men in the midfield are set up beacuse: a) You have wingers, so you don't suffer in the wings. b) You have 2 DMC which makes the tactic more solid defensively. c) You can press up on the pitch (with the 2 wingers) and down (with the 2 DMC). Plus, there's always some in the middle of the midfield (lol) which is helped either by one of the DMCs who goes up to press or one of the wingers who goes down to defend. d) You always have at least one midfield waiting in the box (usually 2 or 3) for that cross or through ball. e) You have a playmaker, someone to dictate tempo and organize. f) You have two midfielders capable of scoring many goals (AML Inside Forward - Attack and MC Central Midfielder - Attack). OK, I think I've spoken enough about the tactic so I think it's time to answer the FAQ: What match preparation should I use? I set Team Blend on Very High until everything in the tactic is fluid and my players are blending well together. Then I leave it to my assistant. But that's just me, do as you wish. Is this tactic plug and play? Yes, I use it always, home and away, against world class teams and against underdogs. Do you use opposition instructions? No, I don't use any. I wouldn't advise to use any, but do as you wish. What teamtalks should I use? I use ZeroSea teamtalks at the begging and in half-time, as I found them really useful, just say "You have faith" to every single player both at the beginning and in half-time, if "You have faith" is not able, then use "You can make the difference". At the end of the match I say "disappointing" to players with 6.4 rating or less, pleased to players from 6.5 to 7.4, and delighted to players with 7.5 or more rating, whatever the result is. What pitch size should I use? I use normal with good results. But you may try a different size, bigger or smaller, maybe it works better. Why does everyone have long shots set to rarely? Because players make too many long shots if you set them on "mixed" or "often". I think it is a 11.3 ME issue. For example, I had Van der Vaart, whose Long Shots attribute is 19, so I try to set them on "mixed", but anyway he still played better with long shots on "rarely". Having all players longs shots on "rarely" doesn't mean that you aren't going to see a single long shot, it just means that players will not waste possession with silly long shots going nowhere. Do you advise to make any tweaks? The only tweak I'd advise to make if it fits your team better, is to put the AML as Inside Forward - Support and the AMR as Inside Forward - Attack. I wouldn't advise to put both on support nor both on attack, as you want to keep balance. What attributes are needed for each player? Obviously, the ones highlighted for each position in the game! :-) Flair, pace, decisions, stamina and work rate are good bonuses whatever the position is. But I'd advise to just search for the ones which are highlighted, except from long shots, I don't ever look for that attribute. Why don't use a stopper-cover combo in the defence? Because it isn't necessary as we're playing without a high defensive line and we have 2 DMCs to help the back four. Does every single player have to be "natural" in his positions? Judging from my experience, no, the minimum is "unconvincing", I think is enough with that. But don't forget to train new positions to your players anyway. Should wingers match their foot with their wing (ie right footed on the right wing)? Well, they're set as Inside Forwards, and the game's description says that it is better to play them with opposite foot to their wing. Still, I must disagree a little bit, I've tried right footed players in the right wing as Inside Forward and they played brilliantly. Think, for example, in Iniesta, Cristiano Ronaldo or Muller. Left footed or right footed, it doesn't matter much as long as they're good. For example, it is better to play a good right footed AMR rather than an average left footed AMR. But if both are equally good I'd go for the left footed. Should I use any shouts? After running a little test about shouts I'd advise to use retain possession, pass to feet and hassle opponents if you want your team to take less risks and have more possession. What can I expect from this tactic? Good results if you have the right players, but don't expect to win every single match by three goals difference or more. Example of results with this tactic, first games with Tottenham, 11.3 squad, not a single transfer and players haven't get used to the tactic yet. Still, amazing results, including a 0-1 win away in the North London Derby and a 3-0 home win over AC Milan. I just lost one time, but had a lot of injuries and an amazing bad luck in front of the keeper. I also had good results with this tactic playing as Espanyol and Liverpool. Download link: http://www.gamefront.com/files/20580859/Tristan%27s+4-2-1-3.tac It took me a lot of time to create this thread, so please be respectful and don't spam. And, of course, if you have any questions regarding the tactic don't hesitate to ask. I can't wait to see your results! :-) GO TO POST #15 FOR V2 OF THE TACTIC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 I was a little bit bored, so I started a new game with small database and just two leagues loaded, and then I holidaied until 2027 (yes, I know, lol). Well, in 2027 I took charge of my favourite team, Espanyol. The past season they had won the Spanish Cup and the Euro Cup, they didn't had a fantastic team, just a great manager (Prandelli). So, I started with them, good team (more a EL team than a CL team) but nothing in special apart of a world class striker, and this is what happened in my first matches using my 4-2-1-3: Not a single match lost. 28 goals for and just 6 goals against. 2'15 goals for every match and 0,46 goals against (less than 1 goal every 2 matches!). Apart of that, won against Barcelona the Spanish Supercup by winning them at Camp Nou and also managed to win 3-0 current CL Champions Olympique. I think this tactic is very good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris6543210 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 This looks interesting if it works out. I would try it but currently I do not have the defensive midfielders for it and I would require to completely reshape my team to play this formation. If I get bored of this current save or need a change I will probably look towards this tactic to see how it goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBlueEagle Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Do you use any shouts at all? Even if you don't do you recommend using any for teams in lower leagues or when the weather is poor? Short passing works well in Spain as the weather is better but the tactic may need to be slightly more direct in England. I would love to try this tactic but don't like using plug and play as I feel it detracts from the game, large tactics sets are also not working for me so a base tactic where I can use shouts would be ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yes, I think the tactic is suitable also for lower league teams. Get the right players, but instead of searching for 13 or 14 in the key attributes, search for 10-11 or whatever. I tried it in England with Tottenham and Liverpool and had good results with both, even in bad wheather conditions, so I'd try to stick to sort passing, and if it doesn't work you can always switch to normal or even direct passing. I don't use any shouts at all, but this is because I'm a bit lazy and I just want to enjoy seeing the matches. Maybe shouts are a good idea and maybe not, I don't know. Common sense says retain possession and hastle opponents should be 2 important shouts. EDIT: After running a little test about shouts I'd advise to use at the begging of each match retain possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco77 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I am man city, just lost 2-0 vs leeds utd... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 I am man city, just lost 2-0 vs leeds utd... Stick with it and give it a few games to settle. If everything is on awkward in match preparation you can't expect good things. : - ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnbob Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I am man city, just lost 2-0 vs leeds utd... looking to start new game as roma although i do not use tc tactics reckon this would still work if i switched it to classic tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 looking to start new game as roma although i do not use tc tactics reckon this would still work if i switched it to classic tactic? I don't know if it will still work on classic. Just try and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnbob Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I don't know if it will still work on classic. Just try and see. will do mate update after 10 games although im not one to say after one game it's crap dont work!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBlueEagle Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Just tried it and won 5-0. I have a saved game that I load up to test tactics and try them for 5-10 games. The best result before this one was 5-1 (then 2-0 2-1 1-1 0-1). At 3-0 I shouted to retain possession and take a breather and we scored two more and the opposition couldn't get near the ball. Fortunately I have excellent wingers (inside forwards) for this level and they roasted the defence. I'll let you know how I get on in the next matches. I think I have Thurrock the match after next and I have not managed to beat them with any tactic yet. That will be the real test. I should also add that the Match Prep screen shows this tactic as being Fluid in 6 areas already. Only the formation is down at accomplished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Can't wait to see how more results RedBlue, hope the tactic works a treat for your team. More results I had using this tactic: As Spain Vs the Czech Republic Look at the possession and the amount of chances created. As Spain Vs France Again, look at the possession and the number of chances. As Liverpool playing against Arsenal with 11.3 squad This time didn't have much possession, but take a look at the amount of CCCs. After running a little test about shouts I'd advise to use retain possession, pass to feet and hassle opponents if you want your team to take less risks and have more possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypanimz Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Just tried your tactic for the first time. Im Weymouth in the premier league, my 1st season and 13 games into the season im in the relegation zone, decided to change to your tactic for my game against 8th place Wolves away and smash them 5-1. This tactic looks very promising. Created 5 CCC's, thats more than my last 6 games combined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 OK. I'm releasing V2 of this tactic. This will be the second and last version I post of this tactic as I am very proud about the football which is played and specially about the tremendous percentages of possession it allows you to have. I don't know if it is better than V1, it just aims to have even more possession. http://www.gamefront.com/files/20587550/Tristan%27s+4-2-3-1+v2.0+%28Espanyol%2C+Nov+2027%29.tac AMR and AML are moved to striker positions and set to Deep Lying Forward - Support. DR and DL are now set as Wing Back - Support. The passing is shorter, focused on the middle and more quick, allowing you to have more possession. The closing down is maximized to help you win the ball as soon as possible. No shouts are needed with this version. PASSING, FLAIR, WORK RATE and STAMINA are important attributes for all players (except the keeper, obviously). Apart from that, attributes highlighted for each position-role in the game should be taken into account (except from long shots). Hope you enjoy the tactic and it gives you success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan_Nieve Posted July 24, 2011 Author Share Posted July 24, 2011 Admin, could you please close this thread? Going on holiday for a month and will not have computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco77 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 u can just leave it as it is... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkanbar80 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 please send this tactic to my email, kkanbar80@yahoo.co.uk I did try to download but it says no file found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giggs723 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 please send this tactic to my email, giggs723@gmail.com I did try to download but it says no file found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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