julle17

Specific player marking, and the lopsided striker and wingback slot are needed imo, if it's a fullback he doesn't sit high enough, and striker towards the side makes sure he sticks to that cb. haven't noticed anything that roles really do differently

I've been trying both in Fm 22 and 23, the closest i've gotten was just full individual player man marking, and honestly against lesser teams it was actually very effective. Here we somewhat achieve the structure, it's a bit awkward because dortmund don't really play out the back, but did get a couple situations looking like this. I would've liked to be able to set up in a regular 4-3-3, but need to lopside it a bit to get the defensive structure to look like this, if the striker is in the middle he doesn't stick properly to the Rcb, and the right fullback needs to be in the wingback slot, or he wont be high enough to properly press the fullback

Sorry i worded that wrong. I meant that i don't think it makes much sense to compare roles just by making a quick tactic and simulating with that role used. Would make more sense to me to make a tactic with the aim of either maximizing Hålands scoring, or find which role within the tactic makes it tick better.

Not gonna lie, without the rest of the tactic used, it's pretty hard to use those numbers for anything.

The only thing I use is just showing the wide cbs and fullbacks onto their opposite foot, so left cb onto his right foot. Just seems to me it makes a difference in pressing, nothing significant, but does make the press better IMO.

I agree with the focus middle aspect. I might be remembering wrong, but I think Pep somewhat recently said that he prefers his side to play through the middle, even though it's significantly harder, but the rewards are much greater, paraphrasing obviously, but hope you get what I mean. And I think Arteta has the same idea for the most part, shocking I know.

It does, i've been using it a bit, can't tell if it improves performance on my tactics, but i just like the player swap, so i use it

To add to the replication one thing that happens now that Trossard plays instead of Nketiah, and also stood out in the first part of the season with Jesus, was how fluid Martinellis role was, and how he often swapped with Jesus and now Trossard, which he didn't with Nketiah. Could perhaps add the swap position instruction between the striker and left winger

Best replication of Arsenal i've seen on here so far, not really anything in terms of roles i disagree with, and i think your reasoning is sound. One question though, and it might not be anything you've tried, but i'm still going to ask. Have you ever tried replicating the specific way Artetas press is, where on of the wingers tuck in to press a cb, and then the full back would come support that press going on the full back left by the winger?

Personally i don't think the keeper should be set on short kicks if you're going for replication of them right now. Because it's De Gea in net imo they go long more than they would if they had a keeper who's quality with their feet. I think in the long run we will see them play more out the back when they've got a new keeper, but as it is right now they go long more.

Also when do you expect them to be narrow, because in different parts of transitions they will move narrow, and others they'll stay wide

I imagine having the width full and telling the team to focus play down the flanks might be causing it, only thing that stands out to me.

Only thing i can think if that should stop him from coming inside is if you have a dm on the side where your iwb is. Could you post your whole tactic?

Nothing i've tried no, but i do remember the structure we used against spurs, which was actually lopsided compared to how we have pressed most of the time against other teams. So this would be how we set up from Goal kicks. Lloris would pass it to their Lcb, who Ødegaard would press, only short option available is the Lwb, who Saka then would press while covering the passing lane towards Højbjerg in Lcm, either forcing them long, or Højbjerg to drift wide to receive where Partey would be very tight on him, while Højbjerg faces towards the sideline At this point i don't really know what to do, because if i achieve the structure from a goal kick, the rest of our defence is so bad theres no point in trying it anyway, and i need to move people around depending on what formation the opponent plays, which is not really something i want to spend my time doing when playing FM. And if i don't go all out with the man marking instructions, and the formation we obviously don't achieve the right structure, so i guess i'm back at that point, where i will just have to be content with the couple things that i can replicate in FM and leave it at that. I will keep trying because i'm a stubborn bastard, but i'm not really even sure what i could try to do differently, feels like i've tried every permutation of instructions that i can think of. If anyone has any ideas please share, i still really want to get this to work

Sometimes, which again is why i have to constantly remind myself there's only a handful of things at once i get right when trying to replicate it, before there's to many thing interfering

Only change from the 4-3-3 presented in the first is the right back has been moved to wing back slot, and is a wb-d. Oh also striker moved to the left

2023-02-02_21-45-25.mp4 So i went onto FM 22 to try, and in my second game using a bit of both the mark position and mark player instruction i got a goal from the setup nearly perfect, incredibly happy with it. So essentially Saka, Tomiyasu and Ben White have the mark specific player, and all the others only have mark specific position. I tried the exact same thing on FM 23 and it didn't work at all. Might make me just play FM 22 instead.

So i decided to try the most extreme solution to the problem, which was man marking indidual players all over the pitch, so essentially everyone is told to man mark in the manner described in the first post. Of course it's not perfect, but we actually got a nice little sequence i wanted to share. First this is the initial position from their GK, couple issues still, Martinelli i would still like wider. Nketiah more towards the Rcb. And Xhaka closer to his man. But i still like this better. Now their keeper pass to the Lcb, who Saka immediately press, while somewhat keeping the Lb in his cover shadow, not perfect, but not horrendous. Also see how both Nketiah and Martinelli are now in much better positions, only issue here is Xhaka not being tight on number 7 The cdm receives a pass above, and since Ødegaard is so tight, he's forced back to the keeper, who Nketiah then jumps to press. Would've liked him to keep his cover shadow better, but the keeper doesn't see the option and ends up going long, where White wins the ball. I will keep trying to achieve it, honestly makes the rest of the defence a shambles, but i am enjoying tinkering around with this idea.

I wasn't expecting it to be possible, but wanted to ask anyway. Thanks for the answers, good to know i'm not just completely useless at the game

Should've mentioned ive tried this too, the only thing that i've been able to somewhat get the proper position of th full back to jump the press is play him in the wing back slot instead, that just ruins the offensive dynamic and when we defend in our own half, and he usually doesn't press immediately on the opposing fullback and gets tight enough. Thanks for the reply though

Just found this video from the first game of the season v palace. At the time the video should start he explains the dynamic i'm talking about, just on the opposite side.

Hi everyone So i'm an Arsenal fan and we are doing a bit alright at this football thing. So i decided to try and replicate how we play, while not perfect of course it's FM, i've gotten alot of the offensive movement that i've been looking for, so i'm happy with that. My question is about pressing. More specifically about if there is a way to make my team engage a press in a very specific way. I've tried quite a few things, and none of it seem to work, so i'm just throwing this question out, knowing there quite possibly isn't a way to do it in FM. So this is how my tactic looks, not quite spot on of course, but i do think i've got mostly the right roles for the kind of movement we get, apart from the poacher, but that is just because i find Jesus drops far too much if he plays anything other than P or AF. So my question about pressing is if i can get certain player to trigger the press in a specific way Illustrated below. So i will try to explain what i mean with this picture. When we press IRL, Nketiah or Jesus engage either CB and tries to move them to one side. Here they engage the opponents Rcb and try to get them left. Here Saka will be waiting between the Lcb and Lb, keeping the Lb in his cover shadow. When the ball gets played to the Lcb Saka jumps the press, and Ben white who is not initially marking comes tight on the Lb if the ball would be played towards him. It could be vice versa in the other side with Zinchenko and Martinelli having the same dynamic. This is what it often looks like when the press has happened Usually we will have forced the opposition into a long ball from here, or even better recover the ball high up the pitch. How the midfield three move obviously depend on how the opposition player move, but above is what it would resemble if the opponent build in a 4-3-3. If the opponent build with a double pivot Ødegaard and Xhaka mark up high while Partey and the 3 other defenders that haven't joined the press high man mark. So now that i've described, in hopefully understandable language since english isn't my first, i will say what i've tried so far. I have tried to use OIs in hopes of showing onto certain foot to block passing lanes, an example would be lcb shown onto right foot, in attempt to get saka to cover the lb in his covershadow. I've also tried the trap inside in hopes of achieving the same cover of passing lane to fb. And while both sometimes kinda did it, it just wasn't very consistent. Now comes the second problem i encounter, and that's the positioning of Ben White. I would also want Martinelli wider, but its usually fine because he moves wider later usually. And the position Saka is in, is perfect. Midfield far too deep aswell, another issue. But the most annoying thing here is my RB, he's way too far back. Here i would want him in line with where Ødegaard is, ready to jump the press. What happens because of this often, is Saka presses the Lcb, Lcb passes their left sided cm, who has no issue doing a first time pass to the Lb because Ødegaard isn't tight, and then the Lb has loads of space in front of him, because my Rb hasn't pushed up to be ready to press. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers

It's not like it's really that different, just a different name for it, have you tried having it on less than standard?

I've skimmed through all the posts here quickly so i might have missed it, but how high is his trigger press setting? couldn't it be something as simple as dropping that down a tad?