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  1. When it comes to defending, when is 'Force Opposition Inside' a good option? My thinking would be if the opposition create a lot of chances from out wide, and you want to try and engage their wide players earlier. I just struggle to see when you wouldn't want to use anything other than 'Force Opposition Outside; as surely restricting space centrally is always the safest option...
  2. What role do people feel is best for a wide 10 in the AMR/L roles? Inverted Winger/Advanced Playmaker on Support with Sit Narrower and Roam from Position?
  3. This thread is great. @Rashidi I wanted to understand your logic around the wide forward roles you use. Would you mind explaining your thinking? Specifically interested to see why you feel Gnabry isn't an Attack role? Also why you feel Gnabry is a Inside Forward and Coman is an Inverted Winger?
  4. This is because your system plays into Bayern's (and other gegen-pressing teams) hands perfectly... Think about it this way, if you're a Gegen-Pressing team (pressing high up the pitch, squeezing the opposition and having a high defensive line), what's the ideal opposition? = Someone that plays very slow and short passes out from the back. Add in that teams like Bayern and RB Liepzig have great midfielders, who press really well. Also defensively you're also pressing high up the pitch and surrendering a lot of space. Against top teams, they'll punish you consistently. Especially if they have direct runners and player's who can play the killer pass, like Bayern do in abundance.
  5. A Winger has dribble more hardcoded. They will dribble with the ball regardless of the team instructions. The wide players should 100% be in the MR/L slots. When you put players in the AMR/L slots, they’re essentially wide forwards. Which I would assume is not what your looking for?
  6. Been looking for a system like this to use when looking to see a game out. Imagine most duties will need to be on Support with none being on Attack? Balanced mentality makes the most sense. Prevents players from hoofing the ball clear if their pressed by the opposition, but also withholds them from being to adventurous with their play. A deep formation also makes sense to me, a 4-1-4-1 would be my starting point. I would actually lean the other way. I'd have 2 or 3 playmakers.
  7. I've always found that dropping the tempo makes you far more susceptible against top team that press high up like Bayern - (different against a team like Atletico Madrid) Asking the players to take their time on the ball when they're under pressure means that they'll can get caught, surely? On the flip side, as the players to make decision quickly can lead to poor passes if they're not cable (poor mentals/technicals). Tempo has always been a tricky one
  8. I'd agree with De Nile. Ronaldo is arguably the greatest goalscorer ever, being a great finisher with both his feet and his head. So I'd play him through the middle on any role with an Attack duty. Sancho is a pacey winger who is able to provide great service from out wide. So either a Winger or Inverted Winger on support would be a good role choice. You'd need to think about how all the roles compliment each other though, not just these two.
  9. Surprised to hear that people don't feel Mane has an Attack duty. He's so direct with his play that a support duty doesn't make sense IMO. For me it's a 4-3-3 shape with a DLF (S) up top flanked by two Inside Forwards on Attack.
  10. I just wanted the highlight the bit in bold, where you talk about your cautious ‘system’. As far as I know, this is incorrect. The team’s fluidity label is purely a cosmetic feature and has no impact on player’s creative freedom or any other instructions?
  11. Looks too conservative. If the IWBs are going to come inside and take up central positions. Then Pedri and De Jong will need to take up more attacking positions higher up. Currently you only have three players taking attacking positions and even he IW (S) is pretty conservative. Also the Mez will only join the attack, once the ball has fully transition into their third. Also you claim to ask Depay to ‘stay wider’, but you’re playing him as a Raumdeuter. Deosnt he have ‘sit narrower’ hard coded in that role?
  12. I'd been trying to find that screenshot for ages! Thanks for re-sharing it. I think the key for me is no 'get further forward' PI. It's interesting as the system is pretty much exactly the same as the 'Pep' system, but just positions swapping attacking responsibilities. The midfield support is now given by the LCM and RCM, instead of the IWBs The fullbacks instead now create the width in attack, instead of the wingers The IFs now occupy the half spaces, albeit in a slightly different way to the 'free 8s' Same attacking shape, but created in a different way. It's a useful system to have if you have more aggressive wingbacks and/or more goalscoring wide players. Also it's a useful plan B if you're not having much luck in a match with the 'traditional' Pep system. I guess it focuses attacks slightly more down the flanks?
  13. Yeah I'm very familiar with the 'Pep' system and it's actually my go to system. Lots of really good content on it across this forum, especially from @Columnarius The system I'm speaking about is this one: Its a different system, but functions very similar with the same attacking shape. In my view, it just requires different attributes for specific positions and is useful to use if you lack goalscoring MCs with poor movement for example. Infact if you read my initial post, I mentioned that Barcelona's three MCs generally have poor movement and attacking (goalscoring) attributes, so the Pep system wouldn't necessarily get the best out of them. The 'Pep' system would work great if you played Coutinho and Messi as the false 8s. However I'm keen to have a second system that I can use, when I want to play a midfield three of De Jong, Busquets and Pjanic along with Griezmann and Messi playing as half space attackers in the IF roles.
  14. Thanks for the info So are both of those wider central roles just vanilla CM -Support roles (no PIs)? I believe I have an understanding of how the system should work, but struggle on how best to utilise the LCM and RCM. I see any forward runs as a big issue from the MCs, whether it be via PIs or PPMs; as they get in the way of the space you want your IFs. I've tried to detail below the issue as I see it in my head: The above is the attacking shape (or how I see/want it). Have a 5x5 shape (yellow and green boxes) or a 2-3-5 shape. Having 5 players behind the ball provides plenty of protection against counter attacks and also has ball recycling options to help with possession. Front 5 provide penetrative movement towards the goal (in their won unique ways). The issue I have is in the two half spaces (pink) and how the CMs and the IFs interact. How are you looking for them to interact (whats the theory in your head)? Do you not find these two players getting in the way of each other? Or do you see the IFs more as attackers, who attack the box frequently and the MCs purely as supportive midfielders, who will rarely go beyond the edge of the box?
  15. A few of things that would stick out for me: 1) Naturally with a narrow diamond formation, you'll lack width and as such I feel your fullbacks roles are therefore far too conservative. Wingbacks are more aggressive with both their positioning in attack and they will provide you with width earlier than a fullback. These are probably the two most important roles for you in this system and they will need to be good players both offensively (for reasons above) and defensively (as they will likely get pinned 2v1 against an opponent's winger and fullback). I'd play with two wingbacks on either support or attack as a minimum. 2) Three defensive roles in the midfield? You essentially have 5 players who have no attacking contribution. One defensive role would be adequate in midfield, the rest should be contributing to the attack, whether it be in either a support or attack role. Particularly if you're playing as a strong team like Argentina. 3) Lack of penetration looks an issue. Unless you're using some additional PIs for Dybala, only Martinez is attacking the box with regularity. If the opposition play deep and have two defensive midfielders - you'll be completely nullified and relying on flashes of individual brilliance.
  16. Hi @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!, I can't believe I've only just got round to reading this whole thread, having been on these forums for many years. I've only ever flicked through and read glimpses here and there, but to actually go through from front to back has been brilliant. I'd actually now go as far as saying this is essential reading for everyone on these forums. Anyway, I wanted to ask specifically regarding about the below system, in particular the outside CMs. Despite the below appearing a very generic system, it has always been something I've struggled with. I think you mentioned that when you use this system, you need more well-rounded players for the outside CMs. This is because they aren't so much 'free 8s' with a license to burst forward with regularity, but rather they need provide balance for the aggressive IFs and WBs. The reason I ask is that in recent years, I've always played as Barcelona and their squad on FM21 has three fantastic ball-playing midfielders in Buquets, De Jong and Pjanic. Neither of these three are particularly strong at driving forward and scoring goals, but they do excel with keeping the ball (great first touch, composure, passing, technique and decisions). So in theory the above system would suit them perfectly, especially with a Messi dropping deeper from a ST position. So what is your general logic about these two wider CMs in this system? - as I've seen you use CM (S), Mez (S) and DLP (S) in similar systems when you commit Wingbacks high and wide, with Inside Forwards drifting inside. I assume they need to link the play from the back to the front, without being too aggressive and getting in the way of the IFs in the central areas of the final third.
  17. @Cleon Do you have the original post documented with pictures? Unfortunately the pictures aren't showing up anymore.
  18. I agree with Iniesta as a Mezzela. However wouldn’t an attack duty be too aggressive/wasteful? (in a positive team mentality)
  19. You’ve only lost two games (narrowly) so far and beat Liverpool away - who are are very strong team (both in real life and in FM). Considering you’re playing as Leeds, I’d be quite content considering the gulf in attributes between your players and the ones at the (so called) bigger teams. However to answer your questions, the only point I would make is to try and watch the match. You might be able to spot potential areas that you can exploit (ie. high line, numerical advantage in an area of the pitch, slow fullback, etc)
  20. There’s a lot of contrasting views of how to best use tempo. In theory, I would agree that increasing tempo should allow the players to transition the ball faster and not allow the opposition to get close and cause errors. However the counter argument is that players then rush their play, which leads to wasted possession... Ultimately there is a lot more to it than that - least of which including attributes and where the players are positioned to offer passing outlets in comparison to the opponents (formation and roles/duties come into play). Perhaps increasing the numbers in the build up by having deeper positioned players (particularly midfielders), to try and outnumber the opposition press a key factor?
  21. Hi All, I've been having difficulties for many years now when it's come to enforcing a high-pressing/possession based strategy against a team that plays an equally aggressive gameplan. I see so many people playing shorter passing systems on this forum, so was wandering how people tend to adapt (or not adapt) when playing against strong, high pressing teams. For some background, I play as Barcelona on my long term save and luckily I have some really talented players who are strong technically and hence very capable of keeping the ball under pressure (one would think). For most of games (particularly in the league), as you'd expect we are strong favourites and opponents will tend to sit off and restrict space to ultimately frustrate us. These games can be frustrating, but ultimately making tweaks where appropriate can allow us to unlock the door in these matches. The real issues that I have, is when playing away from home against the likes of Real Madrid and Valencia, along with difficult UCL games against Liverpool and Utd (to name a few). These teams will press-high and disrupt our build up play in our own half - resulting in nervy clearances and misplaced (rushed) passes from my players. I'm aware these team will surrender space that can be exploited by more direct gameplans. However I'd like to stick more to the Barcelona DNA and possession fundamentals that they have. Ultimately when playing in these types of fixtures, it's always going to be difficult and sometimes you need to accept that these games are hard to secure and keep possession. However I'm keen to understand where I can improve, when it comes to adapting against these opponents, to help give us more control in these games. Essentially by having more of the ball, we should be able restrict/frustrate these teams more - defensive possession if you will. Generally I play a 'controlled possession' system via the following TIs. I've played a lot of different duty combination, but generally play mainly support duties. Classic 4-3-3 DM shape. I've tried quite a few different strategies to try and overcome this: - Reducing the mentality to try and play more cautiously (reduce risk taking) - Lowering Line of Engagement and Defensive Line to try reduce and restrict space in deeper positions - although ultimately gives the opposition more time on the ball though - Increase tempo to try and move the ball faster and bypass the press - Lowering the tempo to try and get the players to take more time (reduce rushed/misplaced passes) - Tweak passing setting (shorter/more direct) Some have worked, some haven't... Obviously one size does not fit all and different games/circumstances require different strategies. So I'm keen to hear how this forum adapt's in these games, where a strong opposition looks to press you high and disrupt your build up in a shorter possession game-plan. Any particulars that people concentrate on? Perhaps targeting opposition playermakers? Also do people have any success by making their out of possession instructions less aggressive in these games? Seems counter intuitive, but ultimately makes you slightly more secure.
  22. Just how important are the roles star ratings? Does it have any impact on the effectiveness of a players (maybe through some internal ME calculation)? I want to use Pedri as a Mez (S), however I don't want the player to move into the half-space. So I'm considering using a CM (S) with some additional PIs (roam from position and get further forward). He's rating as a Mez (S) is 3 star, whereas it's only 2 star as CM (S).
  23. Both ideas sounds sensible. Just remember that using an AP will focus the play through that player.
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