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2 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:
Presume it's to play as an inverted full back, narrow and almost as second DM, Walker to go flying up the right flank
I'd have thought Rice and Phillips would both be DMs though. Mind you, he has played Phillips more B2B before, which is a bit baffling considering the role that made him good at Leeds but there you go. He probably wants to give the midfield as much help as possible though, yeah.
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It's only really a RB at Lb I'm confused about, the rest makes sense to me. Seems the plan will be for Rice and Phillips to try and stifle their midfield, with Mount in there to help drive us forward and feed a front 3 that can cause anyone problems even out of form.
Looking forward to it, we've certainly got a chance.
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I wouldn't mind Trippier at left back if there was no one else but we've got two genuinely good options with Shaw and Chilwell? Interesting he's going with Phillips over Bellingham, presumably he thinks that will give more solidity.
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I'd put Belgium in the same category as Italy, where they're one of the bigger teams, and they've had a very impressive start, but the opposition left a lot to be desired and I'd like to see them more before thinking "yeah, these guys are go very, very deep."
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VAR is already slow and cumbersome as it is, having it analyse any time a player goes down would turn the sport into an unwatchable mess. That, and there's plenty of times where players can get hurt without it being obvious, so there would 100% be situations where you'd look at an incident and think "ah yeah, they're embellishing this" and it turns out they've landed awkwardly and pulled a muscle or something. Even innocuous incidents that look from replays like there's no way it's cause any issues could genuinely make a player feel pain, even temporarily. One of our players was out for nearly a year after simply jumping for a header and even on replays it looked like nothing, but the fall clearly damaged his ACL. Obviously that's an extreme example and I know you wouldn't be punishing players who end up substituted because they can't continue, but my point still is that it isn't anywhere near as easy to tell as you're suggesting and far too many innocent players would be punished to make it worth it. If it was a rule that was around for a while it would stop players embellishing, but there would be an uproar anytime a player says they're legitimately injured, and the rule would be scrapped way before it had any kind of impact. And as I mentioned earlier, I've gone down absolutely loads from tackles and everything but carried on with no issues, and I'm sure with some of those if there was replays (and I hope none of my terrible performances have ever been recorded) it would look like I was faking especially after being able to play on without incident.
Referees actually punishing fouls when players don't go down so they're not encouraged to dive would be a start, that Foden incident linked earlier being a prime example. Then players being booked after VAR overturns penalty decisions when they're clear dives would help as well.
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1 minute ago, Obi-Wan Kenobi said:
Punishing a player for faking being injured when not injured isn't a solution? Don't get that at all.
Because how do you judge it ffs
How injured does a player have to be? If they're ok to carry on does that mean they were faking? If they have a limp is that ok?
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What does that have to do with anything? We agree diving is an issue, but we're arguing about your potential solution, which is a nonsensical suggestion. I can't say I have some magical fix either, but booking players for effectively not being injured enough just simply wouldn't work, it is absolutely impossible to judge.
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1 minute ago, Haguey said:
Ok now we can call UEFA scum.
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4 minutes ago, Obi-Wan Kenobi said:
You're point doesn't make sense as other sports such as ice hockey already demonstrate that when players act honestly, they get treated accordingly. Players and officials in football are placed in the completely unacceptable position of having to decide if player X went down because they genuinely got hurt, or did so because it was simply "best" to throw themselves down and act hurt to win a free-kick to do so.
I mean, the diving situation is awful, I'm not arguing it's not, and I'm all for seeing how we can change it and there's many factors, but your suggestion of booking players if they go down theatrically but aren't injured makes absolutely no sense. How other sports are has absolutely nothing to do with this. How theatrical is too theatrical? How injured is injured? This is my point, it would be absolutely impossible to make fair judgements especially as a player going down holding their ankle but being able to carry on doesn't mean they didn't get hurt.
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4 minutes ago, Obi-Wan Kenobi said:
Simple, don't be theatrical with rolling around, and just ask for treatment if you needed it.
Still doesn't answer the question as to how anyone is meant to make that judgement. I'd rather it stays as it is with players acting like idiots and getting mocked than players basically being yellow carded for being injured but being deemed not injured enough by some medical professional.
2 minutes ago, Hairycull said:My point about diving is when players go down easily it can be very very hard at first glance to see what is a real injury and what isnt. Its very unlikely but still possible that a life could be lost because of this. I repeat that this is very unlikley. But it is still possible.
Take Neymar at the World Cup in Brazil. I bet you that even the physio that attended him was suprised he wasnt faking it.
What happened tonight was amazing in how another player recognised something was seriously wrong. But what would have happened if his view had been blocked by another player? His only view would have been a player hitting the ground and he might just have waited for the physio/doctor to arrive. Which might have resulted in death.
I realise that i am saying a what if scenario but it could happen.
I would hope that some of the serial divers in this tournament think twice about it in the coming games but I doubt it.
It really isn't fgs, I know you're making a point with a boy who cried wolf situation, but there is absolutely no way that any player doesn't get treatment within seconds the way Eriksen went down today. It's incredibly obvious incredibly quickly when it's a serious incident, especially when the situation happens with no one anywhere near the player.
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1 minute ago, Obi-Wan Kenobi said:
Can't give a foul to a player who doesn't act injured, when players already drop to the ground and act injured by default.
It needs to be more basic than that, since impartial doctors are getting brought in for concussions, it really needs to go a step further to get medical experts in to determine is "injured" players are actually hurt when they roll around and stay on the ground demanding treatment. If their conclusion the answer is there's nothing wrong with them, then they should get an automatic yellow card.
This makes no sense, players obviously take the mick with the rolling around and everything, but I can't think of the amount of times I've gone down and needed a bit of treatment (or just a minute or two to recover) but then been absolutely fine to carry on. How on earth is a medical professional meant to make that kind of judgement when there's going to be god knows how many of those instances across a season? It's absolutely impossible to judge.
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36 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:
It's the style of 3 I would like us to play, but we haven't seen the best from Sterling in some time. Whether we can get it is another thing.
I think Foden is just incredible really. The "Stockport Iniesta" thing started as a bit of a tongue in cheek thing, but i think he could genuinely become as good as Iniesta
Was Iniesta this good at Foden's age? Genuine question as I've no idea. Obviously Iniesta was just a ridiculously brilliant player, but I don't think it's impossible for Foden to reach that level.
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What a dreadful penalty.
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I thought that looked a penalty, will be interesting to see the replay.
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2 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said:
Need to call them out on it tbh.
Part of the problem with this kind of thing is too many of us don't call people we know out on these things.
I did
Asked him what on earth the issue was. He changed the subject, I've stopped replying.
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1 minute ago, Confused Clarity said:
She's getting awful abuse on social media with people accusing her of making it about her. Far more showing support for her, but shows how low some will go.
Guy I know sent a screenshot of what she said and said "what a **** comment" and I was just baffled, no idea what she said that was wrong. Was basically what everyone else was said, how awful it was and how she prays he pulls through.
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4 minutes ago, Sano said:
Protect the players from themselves and make them take a break for a few days seems apt.
That's apt for head injuries, but in this instance it isn't.
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I'm all for calling Uefa scum but if the players have requested it, then what are they supposed to do?
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5 minutes ago, darren1983 said:
Again, massive shout out to his team mates for their quick and selfless thinking
The players reacting that quick could be the difference, and even if not it's still absolutely incredible and they deserve a huge amount of credit.
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Completely understandable to not be in the mood to watch another game, but nothing wrong with creating a thread for the game this evening.
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2 minutes ago, Weezer said:
Obviously pure speculation but I switched over to ITV News and they showed a clip of Eriksen taking a corner when reporting on his incident and he was puffing and panting and looked like he was really struggling. Didn't Foe look fatigued before his collapse?
It wouldn't surprise me if he was. Might have been thinking "I'll get through to half time then let the manager know I'm feeling rough" or something. Probably won't know until way down the line though of course.
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1 minute ago, Marc Albrighton said:
Absolutely credit to everyone there that reacted and saved this guys life, and **** the tv directors who wanted a good shot of someone basically dying on the pitch.
100%. Both teams, and the ref, immediately calling for medical attention. The Danish players standing by to stop the medical attention being seen, the medics of course for doing everything possible. Taylor seemed to do everything he possibly could in awful, awful circumstances.
The TV directors showing the wife crying was just appalling, and zoomed in shots of his face as he's there collapsed on the ground is not an image you want to see.
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How injured does a player have to be? If they're ok to carry on does that mean they were faking? If they have a limp is that ok? 
Asked him what on earth the issue was. He changed the subject, I've stopped replying.
The Jack Grealish (and occasionally England) Thread: It's coming home attempt 5782570
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In fairness, while Phillips is obviously a DM his performances have helped us control the midfield absolutely loads before. You can control it by stifling the opposition so they have no chance to play, then build attacks from there. Bellingham is going to be an absolute star though.