Smac Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Just adjusted longrange shots and run with ball and then made a 4-3-3 version. Works a treat actually. Quite bizarre! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Schlong Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I have mixed results with this tactic. I am Middlesbrough now and it is not working like it was at lower level. Maybe because I am not heavy favourites? I use this and Knaps shut up shop version, which use NO FORWARD runs to be defensive. I find this really odd how the forward runs have so much effect on a tactic's results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amirko Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Oh yes... For the first time in 4 years we thought to be presented a match engine which can't be beaten by "super-tactics", and when we got really sure about it - here it is... Would be very nice, if SI notices this thread before the third patch release. It is ridiculous to see this "approach" to the game can give you even 1 point per season... while it seems it can actually win games with ease. I just fail to comprehend such things. If this will work with 9.3.0 then I just don't see any sense in playing FM2009 anymore... Everything I wanted to say! Thanks man it is 100 % true. After I saw this thread I stopped to play and I am waiting for new patch, hoping that SI will correct this stupid things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Rolling on floor laughing my ass off. 4-3-3 formation. NO INDIVIDUAL INSTRUCTIONS AT ALL. NO TEAM INSTRUCTIONS AT ALL. Used OI's second half. Won 3-0. And I don't even care if it works all the time or not, surely I can tweak this default tac to make great results all the time... I just have no words... I don't want to flame, the whole issue just speaks for itself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boingboing Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 surely I can tweak this default tac to make great results all the time... . Think that is what cleon and lots of others do anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Rolling on floor laughing my ass off. 4-3-3 formation. NO INDIVIDUAL INSTRUCTIONS AT ALL. NO TEAM INSTRUCTIONS AT ALL. Used OI's second half. Won 3-0. And I don't even care if it works all the time or not, surely I can tweak this default tac to make great results all the time... As far as i know majority of default tactics have either often or rarely forward runs for MC's. While youre tactic has everything on "mixed" so you did tweak it slightly ? And is everything set to mixed for each player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 As far as i know majority of default tactics have either often or rarely forward runs for MC's. While youre tactic has everything on "mixed" so you did tweak it slightly ? And is everything set to mixed for each player dunno, maybe you're right. I don't remember. I don't even think it'll make any difference. Yes, everything is mixed for everyone. That wasn't my point, anyway. I don't consider the above to be a tactic at all - that's the problem. This "tweaking" is just nothing compared to what the forum "Tactics & Training Tips" is, or, should I say, MUST be about. What's the use in all those threads with huge theory and innumerable settings tweaked for each individual player ?.. 20 clicks and you're all set... Think that is what cleon and lots of others do anyway sure, the difference is in ammount of tweaking. Just compare TTF to this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevelevee Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 NO INDIVIDUAL INSTRUCTIONS AT ALL. NO TEAM INSTRUCTIONS AT ALL. The same thing with default training shedules... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltjon Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The same thing with default training shedules... this tactic work on 9.1 patch?!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz0711 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 so far played to games with my pompey team 2-1 Wigan (had 16 shots) 0-3 CSKA after the wigan game i thought this tactic was amazing, then got owned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Just to let you know, some positions have it set to 'Swap players' or something. So if you have saved a team selection and then just applied the tactic, and moved the players into the correct positions, it will not have changed who players swap with. Because of this, I had one of strikers swapping with one of my defenders.. Just thought it could be a reason why some people not have the best success rate. Also, mess around with pre-match & half-time team talks. Helps a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltjon Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 this tactic work on 9.1 patch?!?! ....???????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Try it, and find out? Jesus. By the time it'll take to get a reply, you could've loaded FM and tested it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevelevee Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 this tactic work on 9.1 patch?!?! I have no idea about this tactic and 9.1.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cagri3586 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I agree with you about the fact that forward runs for goalkeeper are not logical However, I also think the instructions present in other fm tactics for the team and players are too complex for the real life. Lets think about being a manager. Can you ever say to your player : "Your attack mentality is between normal and attacking, 2 notches above the normal" ) I want to say that this tactic is a possible tactic present in real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I agree with you about the fact that forward runs for goalkeeper are not logical However, I also think the instructions present in other fm tactics for the team and players are too complex for the real life. Lets think about being a manager. Can you ever say to your player : "Your attack mentality is between normal and attacking, 2 notches above the normal" ) I want to say that this tactic is a possible tactic present in real life. Actually, you can say such things to your players. Not in numeric equivalent, of course, but mainly compared to other players positions. Look at the mentality systems part of TTF, where some real life tactical examples are transferred to FM match engine. It's a complex process, but yes, I believe individual mentality settings are described very detailed by RL managers. But anyway, I don't think game sliders are realistic, too, though, tbh. Some kind of graphical tweaking tool could provide a much more realistic and illustrative method of changing individual mentality... This tactic is possible IRL, of course, but when it comes to the present way of FM, it means you've done next to nothing about your tactics... That's why some people are ****ed off this can work. When you take over a club IRL you must say something in any case, and this moment is like 'hidden' in game when you use default tacs. So it looks like you've done nothing about tactics, but you get very good results. P.S. I wouldn't say farrow on GK isn't logical, this approach was used in dutch football, with GK playing like sweeper behind the defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevelevee Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 I want to say that this tactic is a possible tactic present in real life. May be. But can you win with this tactic 20 matches in row IRL?)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fan Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 You could use a lot of formations for the big clubs and win on this game. Try using this formation with a relegation candidate in the EPL (excluding West Brom) and see how you do. This tactic isn't as good as it's being made out to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevelevee Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 Look on my "big club". )) http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t1/shevelevee/17aaec42.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeLikeFM Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 anyone know how to make this a more consistent tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Play around with teamtalks etc. Just depends whether you're home/away and whether you're favourites or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 This tactic can show you so stupid and unrealistic is match engine in FM09. The only stupid and unrealistic thing this shows is the inability of the AI to exploit player created tactics in detail and the solid basic standard of the default settings. You have made the screenshots appear to be rediculous when infact the actual instructions are pretty conservative and instruct players to make careful decisions based only on their positions. Your backline running forward constructs an offside trap and gives you plenty of passing options, and your closing down settings tells your players to get back into position before challenging for the ball. It is as stupid and unrealistic as Rio Ferdinand running down the right wing or dribbling into the box and works for pretty much the same reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 It's another flaw in the FM engine, this is a reason why Arsenal dominate so much on FM, by playing an extremely short passing game on FM, you don't need extremely high-paid footballers with very high CA, just a good passing stat and ability to make good decisions. However, this tactic can backfire and you can concede a lot of goals in some matches, try playing Mourinho's system against this and this will crumble. It just shows you how simple a complicated game is. A simple tactic with everything in the middle can make you win everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uknownick Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Good job, Dude~ This is very similar to how I play against The Gunners. Often I can score more than they can. Sometimes tactic is just that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkpunk Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Apart from the Forward Runs and the customised individual tactics its a conservative tactic. Whilst I can why people think its stupid and might ruin the game, maybe test it playing against customised tactics to see if it can be countered. I can imagine that tactic (or something similar) being torn apart by more custom tactics. I don't really think it shows the engine to be any more or less realistic than the engine is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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