Jonathan_Liu Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I am using Mr Hough's 433 tactic, and it played well for a period of time. However, several months later, when i encounter the AI team which uses the similar formation, such as 451, the game became tough and hard to win. It there the possibility that AI stealed my tactic? Hope some experts can give me a clear answer. I'm really worry about it, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I actually think sometimes it does, depending on the stats of their manager i think. I've noticed a few times it plays either my exact formation when they dont normally use it or they use a formation that is typically designed to counter mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan_Liu Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 If that is true, then how to deal with it? 2 completely same tactics, no one can win the other, get a draw is the best result you can dream about. May be that is the ultimate level of AI? Right now i only think out the method of changing my tactic, is there better ways, i.e, clear the cache? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineOne Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I don't think it uses your tactics. It just adapts it's tactics to your results, so you were doing well -> they're gonna play more defensively against you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I just keep the same tactic and maybe change certain team settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 If that is true, then how to deal with it? 2 completely same tactics, no one can win the other, get a draw is the best result you can dream about. May be that is the ultimate level of AI? Right now i only think out the method of changing my tactic, is there better ways, i.e, clear the cache? It doesn't. Regardless, tactics is only one small element of the game. The most obvious other variable is player attributes, but there's also morale, motivation, the language barrier, form, fitness, and many more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 It doesn't.. how do you know for sure? Its just ive been suspicious recently having seeing the AI's set up v me in certain games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan_Liu Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 Tacitc is really important, that is undoubt. So I hope it doesn't, otherwise it may be a little unfair. I just want a confirmation and your expreiences. As most of you said it doesn't, i am released! Thanks a lot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I still havent had an answer on how he knows for sure, so don't feel relieved yet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMagpies Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 the game can only do what it has the scope to do npc mangers have fixed settings for team playstyle (width, tempo, closing down etc) npc managers have 4 slots for formation preferences - 1st preferred (viewable on manager profile) - 2nd preferred - Attacking - Defensive it is NOT AI ....... it does not think, it only reacts in pre-determined specific ways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 the game can only do what it has the scope to donpc mangers have fixed settings for team playstyle (width, tempo, closing down etc) npc managers have 4 slots for formation preferences - 1st preferred (viewable on manager profile) - 2nd preferred - Attacking - Defensive it is NOT AI ....... it does not think, it only reacts in pre-determined specific ways Ah cool, thanks for that. I thought it might've been programmed to be a bit more clever and be able to counter tactics in certain ways as i mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan_Liu Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 Ah cool, thanks for that. I thought it might've been programmed to be a bit more clever and be able to counter tactics in certain ways as i mentioned. Yes, that is the most possible and reasonable explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 how do you know for sure? Its just ive been suspicious recently having seeing the AI's set up v me in certain games. PaulC said. "Tactics cracking" is a myth. Its not in the game. The two most likely reasons for a downturn in form are: - A drop in morale or happiness - People over-fiddling with tactics, when trying to reverse an initial slide IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsoluteGenius Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 The more I win the more the opposition plays with a 4-5-1 and I love it because I always thrash formations with lone strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 PaulC said. I wasn't fiddling with tactics though, so i can only put it down to the squad harmony bug, maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montanaro Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I've seen the computer use the corner exploit on me. I don't think it realized it was doing it, but I've had them score off it a couple times. Freaking annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I've seen the computer use the corner exploit on me. I don't think it realized it was doing it, but I've had them score off it a couple times. Freaking annoying. Yup me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4L Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I wasn't fiddling with tactics though, so i can only put it down to the squad harmony bug, maybe. Out of curiosity, what is it that you are referring to as the "squad harmony bug"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Out of curiosity, what is it that you are referring to as the "squad harmony bug"? That it always goes to 'very poor' regardless of whether i have success or not, or whether i fine the players or not, it doesnt matter WHAT i do,my players become unhappy. It doesnt matter what i do, it always happens. well by unhappy, i mean the report in the 'confidence section' always becomes'very poor' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pembo3000 Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 yes it does peeps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4L Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 That it always goes to 'very poor' regardless of whether i have success or not, or whether i fine the players or not, it doesnt matter WHAT i do,my players become unhappy. It doesnt matter what i do, it always happens.well by unhappy, i mean the report in the 'confidence section' always becomes'very poor' Hmmm, that is quite a different experience from what I have had then. The lowest I can remember having is like 48% in my current save. A poor start and a board takeover in the making caused some problems but other than that it always seem to stay between 70-80% in my saves most of the time. I can't even imagine what you are doing to get such a poor rating, but it doesn't seem like a bug to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Hmmm, that is quite a different experience from what I have had then. The lowest I can remember having is like 48% in my current save. A poor start and a board takeover in the making caused some problems but other than that it always seem to stay between 70-80% in my saves most of the time. I can't even imagine what you are doing to get such a poor rating, but it doesn't seem like a bug to me. the thing is, i'm not doing anything, except for just getting on with what a manager should be doing in fm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosson Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 That it always goes to 'very poor' regardless of whether i have success or not, or whether i fine the players or not, it doesnt matter WHAT i do,my players become unhappy. It doesnt matter what i do, it always happens.well by unhappy, i mean the report in the 'confidence section' always becomes'very poor' Happened to me, cost me the BSP title with York. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Saint Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Just saw this happen myself. My team have played great in the pre season games and now all of a sudden the oppossition had the same lineup as me, 4-1-3-2. First time i saw that lineup from the computer manager. Must have made an impression on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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