vasilli07 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I'm not good at writing long stuff but this thread is just to discuss the weaknesses of each formation and maybe the ways to counter them...my default formation is a 4-4-2, which I think is most balance is terms of attacking and defending... For eg, a 4-1-2-1-2/4-4-2 diamond narrow, the weakness would be flanks as this formation is without wingers. So to counter them, you would probably want your team to attack the flanks and pin their fullbacks/wingbacks back. 2 other formations I feel that are weak at the flanks are the 4-4-2(2 dms and 2 side midfielders) and 4-2-3-1(2 cms and 3 amc). I would like to hear if people have ways to counter formations like 4-3-3(1 dm, 2 cm, 2 wingers and 1 striker) or the 4-2-3-1(2 cms, 1 amc, 1 aml, 1 amr)...these are the formations that I have problems with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poola21 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 the 4-1-2-2-1 (DM CM CM AMR AML ST) is used by Barcelona and its deadly when used correctly, it has a strong defence and a lightning quick attack however I managed to defeat this tactic using home 4-4-1-1 system and 4-1-3-2 away, your defence must push-up and you must play narrow it was very frustrating to find a system to defeat this tactic especially when Barcelona has Ibrahimovic as ST, Messi, Ribery, Ozil in my game as wingers the 4-2-3-1 (CM CM AMR AMC AML ST) was used previously by Barcelona in older FMs, I suppose a 4-1-3-2 should work too because this is the advanced version of the previous system, DM position moved to AM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalfury833 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Well the easiest way is to mirror the formation, then its all down to player ability. I myself have problems with highly central formations like 4 2 3 1 or the 41212 diamond. Posting to keep this thread alive and after reading the TT&F10 about the bolton portsmouth game, I'm wondering if someone can do an a more detailed guide about 'creating' and extra man. I'm playing the game in Spain and it seems every game brings a new formation to me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 But you wouldn't change your formation every game just to mirror each team, right? IRL, I don't think any team does that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poola21 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 mirroring is a bad tactic unless you have better players, try to outplay Real Madrid or Barca with their systems and they will trash you 7-0, I tried it, it never worked try to play wider and use the wings to create superiority if you have problems with teams that are advantaged by the centre midfield the formation you play must be a dynamic one for example in one match scouts say Team X plays well with teams that play 4-4-2, so you change to 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-3, next match Team Y struggles against 4-4-2 so you keep 4-4-2, deep/push-up, narrow/wide, quick / slow has a big influence in the game you can play slow with slow defenders but against fast defenders you have no chance and so on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 There are a lot of tactical frameworks which have strengths and weaknesses, I'm interested in this thread but I'd definitely suggest that one formation/tactic is picked first and then we work from there on the weaknesses it has rather than randomly talking about different tactics. Bestie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalfury833 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 how about picking the 4-2-3-1 (CM CM AMR AMC AML ST) apart for now. I have so much trouble with this tactic playing in Spain. Someone mentioned a 4-1-3-2 to counter this? Any specifics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poola21 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 ok 4-2-3-1 is a pain in the ass, because this is the 4th year when I find it hard to defeat teams that use it In previous versions of FM Barcelona and Roma used it quite remarkable why is this system hard to defeat? because it's a dynamic system when they attack they are like a 4-3-3 with the two wingers, when they defend they are a 4-5-1 the main advantages of this position are that offers good defence and good attack assuming you have 2 good wingers and one good target man so let's see most of the time they play deep they play wide because the wingers need space to move the wingers will try to eliminate your fullbacks(if you're playing with 3 defenders you're more vulnerable), dribble or run past them and then get into the box or cross the ball to the attacker their forward will try to get through, he will pass the ball to the wingers,and AMC or he will try to shoot at the goal watch out for the two MC's they will shoot long my ideas to counter this is with a 4-1-3-2 ( DM CM CM CM ST ST) your team must play narrow, since you have no wingers, maximize the potential of your midifield your 2 centre-backs must not let the opposite attacker breathe your full-backs must constantly press the wingers and close them down, reducing the threat from that part defence must be push-up, attention if you play too high in the field combined with the offside trap they can suckerpunch you so take care the DMC should take care of their AMC, tackle him hard and close down close down their CM's so they can't shoot from long distance at your goal so you will play narrow,push-up,quick a quick direct attack two of your MC's must have forward runs often so 4132 counter push-up narrow quick defending zonal closing down (AMR AML AMC MC MC) build your attack how it suits you better quick direct passing or quick short passing tell me if that works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 how about picking the 4-2-3-1 (CM CM AMR AMC AML ST) apart for now. I have so much trouble with this tactic playing in Spain. Someone mentioned a 4-1-3-2 to counter this? Any specifics? The 4-1-3-2 would be a decent way of countering the 4-3-2-1. The way I would do it would be to go back to the old way of man-marking. My full-backs would play tight on the wingers, one centre-back takes the striker and my DM the other teams AM. You've then got basically a sweeper/Libero playing behind a three-man defense who can clean up any mistakes and move the ball forward to your own midfield. The biggest weaknesses I see with the 4-2-3-1 is its strengths, the fluidity of the front 4 can be nullified and if that happens the team is forced to rely upon technique vs technique. Bestie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalfury833 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Interesting. I'll give this a try out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poola21 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 the advantage is if you pass the ball quick and short the opposition has less chances to take away the ball from you, and if you play narrow and you have 4 midfielders they are easier to find each other on the field, the problem is you need a creative midfielder to link the midfield to the two strikers please view this match, barca was not playing 4-2-3-1(CM CM AMR AMC AML ST) but had a similar system 4-1-2-2-1 (DM CM CM AMR AML ST) practically instead of the AM they had a DM which was harder for me match FC Barcelona - FC Steaua Bucharest please watch at least key moments and check the match stats enjoy! Barcelona v Steaua.pkm - 0.07MB direct link http://www.zshare.net/download/688891604f7cb5f5/ sorry for the 50 seconds waiting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 a 4-5-1 is nullified by the formation which Valencia play on game (similar to Chelsea under Mourinho) it destroys teams like Sao Paulo 6/7-0 in friendlies but 0-0 vs Valencia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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