English Premier Division Data discussion

On 21/10/2022 at 10:44, evertonmarc said:

EVERTON :

Duncan Ferguson is no longer at the club (but is in game)

Amadou Onana only has "basic grasp" of english, when in reality his english is excellent! (there are interviews on youtube)

Conor Coadys agreed clause is apparently £4m not £7m as in game (although i can't remember where i saw that or if it was 100% accurate, so maybe ignore this for the time being!)

 

 

Thanks @evertonmarc - those are all sorted.

On 21/10/2022 at 10:13, george_nufc said:

For Newcastle:

Bruno should have English speaking set as good, he regularly does interviews in English now. He should also have the trait 'Likes to switch ball to wide areas' as he does this quite a lot, and 'gets forward whenever possible' as he manages to get into attacking positions even when playing as the deepest midfielder.

Almiron should not have 10 natural fitness. He's one of the fittest players in our squad. His running stats are massive and he rarely misses a game at all, I can't see him declining anytime soon. He should also have the 'avoids using weaker foot' trait, he's gets in brilliant crossing opportunities for his right foot, yet still cuts back on his left.

Murphy should have the trait 'Tries to lob the keeper' as he tries this all the time, to no avail.

Joelinton should have the trait 'runs with ball often'. He's currently up there with the highest dribbles in the league, outside of the top 6, with the highest success rate (reminds me of Mousa Dembele). He should probably have higher than 14 as this is one of his biggest strengths:

Board culture 'sign high-reputation players' is currently set as desired. To be honest I don't think this is the culture at all. We've been avoiding the big name players in favour of signing young talent for the future, i.e. Bruno, Botman, Isak - who weren't huge names at the time of signing. We've signed a number of lower reputation signings such as Pope, Burn, Targett, Wood etc. who other fans turn their noses up at. I'd argue the board culture should have a slight focus on youth instead.

The sleeve sponsorship is set as £5m/season in game, however the sleeve sponsorship (Noon) has been confirmed to be £7.5m.

Thanks very much @george_nufc - some interesting observations there that will be looked at by our Newcastle researcher.

Would you agree that Neco Williams (Forest) Should be able to play LB as Accomplished? As he has played LB for Wales, Liverpool in the past and seems like he will be involved in playing LB for Forest if required this season

 

On 21/10/2022 at 13:49, sigurthor8 said:

Liverpool

Anfield is missing it 61000 stadium expansion that is suppose to be finish by 2024.

 

1 hour ago, Pete Sottrel said:

Thanks @sigurthor8 - I'm afraid that stadium expansions that had been added in the database were not working properly in the beta.  This has now been sorted.

@Pete Sottrel Note this is incorrect the Anfield Road expansion should be finished in June 2023

3 minutes ago, diddydaddydoddy said:

 

@Pete Sottrel Note this is incorrect the Anfield Road expansion should be finished in June 2023

@diddydaddydoddy - yes, it is in the database to be completed in June2023

On 21/10/2022 at 08:58, hezie99 said:

only noticed a small one with the Playing time at Man U, David De Gea is set to a backup where as Debravka is set to first choice goal keeper, pretty sure this should be the other way around.

 

Thanks

Thanks @hezie99 - this issue is in hand.

On 21/10/2022 at 07:04, holmazz said:

Jorginho's english is listed as basic in-game but if you listen to him speaking it now I would almost say that he is fluent. Only a week back or two he starred in a mental health awareness discussion posted on Chelsea's youtube channel and he was very good at expressing himself there.
 

Armando Broja has the player trait of playing with his back towards goal but from having watched him he's definitely more of a "rin in behind" the defence type of striker. I would suggest that that PPM is removed.

Thanks, @holmazz!

1 hour ago, Lord Smart said:

Would you agree that Neco Williams (Forest) Should be able to play LB as Accomplished? As he has played LB for Wales, Liverpool in the past and seems like he will be involved in playing LB for Forest if required this season

 

@Lord Smart - yes, I would agree, thanks.

Hey Pete, 

Thanks for responsiveness - great to see from SI! 

Just wanted to say that I think a few arsenal players are rated pretty low in comparison to their performance IRL... and I'm not an Arsenal fan!

I know you don't like to make minor stat changes but given Arsenal are 9 wins from 10 in the prem this season - I think they should be stronger so we can make the prem more realistic for anyone who has a save in the prem. 

William Saliba is France's starting CB, Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year last season and has been top-drawer in the prem but I don't feel his ratings reflect that. Anticipation, composure, concentration decisions and positioning are all 13... I think these should be around the 15 mark. 

Ben White is also a bit unfairly underrated - no stats are above 15. I think his stats should more accurately reflect his ability to play RB as he has been this year. Composure and concentration could be boosted, as well as crossing. 

I think Kieran Tierney is slightly OVER RATED. 

Reiss Nelson is OVER RATED. 

Elneny is OVER RATED. 

Jesus should have higher strength than 13 IMO (more like 15). And work rate should be 18 (Guardiola called him best pressing forward in the world). Positioning also higher than 7 to reflect how he leads the press. 

Martinelli work rate could be around 18 mark rather than 16. He never stops running. 

I believe others have mentioned Odegaard's leadership, that could defo improve. When you start a save you're told to change him as captain. 

Thanks as ever - can't wait to play the full game. Massive props to the SI team for another great Football Manager game!

2 hours ago, marcolamar said:

Hey Pete, 

Thanks for responsiveness - great to see from SI! 

Just wanted to say that I think a few arsenal players are rated pretty low in comparison to their performance IRL... and I'm not an Arsenal fan!

I know you don't like to make minor stat changes but given Arsenal are 9 wins from 10 in the prem this season - I think they should be stronger so we can make the prem more realistic for anyone who has a save in the prem. 

William Saliba is France's starting CB, Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year last season and has been top-drawer in the prem but I don't feel his ratings reflect that. Anticipation, composure, concentration decisions and positioning are all 13... I think these should be around the 15 mark. 

Ben White is also a bit unfairly underrated - no stats are above 15. I think his stats should more accurately reflect his ability to play RB as he has been this year. Composure and concentration could be boosted, as well as crossing. 

I think Kieran Tierney is slightly OVER RATED. 

Reiss Nelson is OVER RATED. 

Elneny is OVER RATED. 

Jesus should have higher strength than 13 IMO (more like 15). And work rate should be 18 (Guardiola called him best pressing forward in the world). Positioning also higher than 7 to reflect how he leads the press. 

Martinelli work rate could be around 18 mark rather than 16. He never stops running. 

I believe others have mentioned Odegaard's leadership, that could defo improve. When you start a save you're told to change him as captain. 

Thanks as ever - can't wait to play the full game. Massive props to the SI team for another great Football Manager game!

Thanks @marcolamar - Arsenal seem to be doing very well in our soak tests, so I'd be hesitant to make a lot of changes at this point.  Nonetheless, I am sure that Dan (Arsenal researcher) will consider your input and make recommendations accordingly.  I'm delighted that you're enjoying the game!

Brentford - Ivan Toney

Thinks he should have higher finishing (+1/2) , he is scoring 0.7 per game, while he is shooting 2.7 times/game. He missed just 7 big chanches this season. He also have good conversion of big chances, app. 6o % ( https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/ivan-toney ) and his pace and acceleration should be probably the higher +1/2 ( Dont have real proves, sorry beacuse of that,  but he is not slower than for example Canos).

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by HNLFan

Hi, just a small stat issue. In game it shows that Gelhardt scored 0 goals last season for Leeds. This is incorrect as he scored 2, one against Chelsea and one against Norwich.

1 hour ago, ciarankirby99 said:

Hi, just a small stat issue. In game it shows that Gelhardt scored 0 goals last season for Leeds. This is incorrect as he scored 2, one against Chelsea and one against Norwich.

That's a great spot, @ciarankirby99 - thanks very much!

2 hours ago, HNLFan said:

Brentford - Ivan Toney

Thinks he should have higher finishing (+1/2) , he is scoring 0.7 per game, while he is shooting 2.7 times/game. He missed just 7 big chanches this season. He also have good conversion of big chances, app. 6o % ( https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/ivan-toney ) and his pace and acceleration should be probably the higher +1/2 ( Dont have real proves, sorry beacuse of that,  but he is not slower than for example Canos).

 

 

 

Thanks for your input, @HNLFan - your views will be taken on board.

I'm getting Joel Robles asking for a transfer due to not having a WP to play for Leeds (Aug 22, no new contract etc) - I suspect this might be an error?

Hojbjerg at Spurs is listed as a "Squad Player". Yet he's played 1,330 minutes this season out of a possible 1,350. That's more minutes than Son. Last season he started 36/38 PL matches with 3,200 PL minutes total (3rd on the team). He's not a squad player.

Bissouma at Spurs is listed as an "Important Player" but Conte has publicly stated that he's struggling with the "tactical aspect" and that he's only likely to be used in a midfield 3 at the moment. His minutes reflect this and Hojbjerg and Bentancur are clearly preferred and have a higher squad status.

I think it's been posted elsewhere, but Hugo and Forster at Spurs have their squad statuses reversed.

Edited October 24, 2022 by The_Batmantis

I don't like to complain about attributes and I know it's still early in the season but Lisandro Martinez should not have lower PA than Maguire. At the very least, Martinez's bravery, anticipation, and agility deserve an upgrade.

Son's freekick rating is far below where it should be.

It's unclear why he doesn't take all free kicks for Spurs (Kane demands to take most of the direct opportunities and his FK rating of 10 is more than fair).
https://theathletic.com/3633452/2022/09/28/son-should-take-spurs-free-kicks/

But Son has scored multiple excellent free kicks in the past year for South Korea, including recently scoring a FK goal in two consecutive matches:
https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/xm3v60/sonny_specialises_in_free_kicks_a_collection_of/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzKs79h2nYw

 

Son also makes regular excellent free kick deliveries from indirect situations including these match winners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZkfo2vWbwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdqBO4FAx68

These are all from the past year only. I'm not even showing older examples.

Edited October 24, 2022 by The_Batmantis

Djed Spence was a crucial part of one of the best EFL Championship sides last season. He won EFL Championship Player of the Month and Young Player of the Month in March 2022 while also scoring the Goal of the Month.

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/djed-spence-scoops-young-player-of-the-month-award/

He was also named in the EFL "Football Manager" TOTS:
https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/football-manager-efl-team-of-the-season-line-ups-announced/

As well as being named in the PFA Championship TOTS:
https://www.thepfa.com/news/2022/6/9/pfa-awards-22-championship-toty

I explain this to then make the assessment of his attributes compared to other Championship RB/RWBs.
I've included comparisons from game start with zero attribute masking. First I looked at 4 other top rep/value RB/RWBs in the Championship (Aarons, Baldock, Bogle, Roberts) Djed's attribute spread is well below each of them. This is particularly the case in terms of mental attributes, which makes some sense when compared to older much more experienced players, but doesn't seem accurate when compared to Aarons/Bogle who are both nearly the same age and experience level. Keep in mind that Djed has over 100 Senior appearances now.

So then I started looking at other young RB/RWBs in the same league with similar appearance numbers (Ngakia, Hayden, Sanderson, Laird).
I'm seeing more favorable attribute spreads (for the specific position) in these players when compared to Djed even though they have not performed at the same level across a season.

Now, I understand Djed only has one excellent season on the books. But based on my napkin analysis (and without use of the full database editor) it appears that he's being rated well below many other Championship RB/RWBs including those who are younger and have shown far less in terms of performance.

I don't want to single out any specific attribute, but I think this demonstrates that Djed should get a significant bump to his current attribute spread. He was regarded as the best RWB in that league last season and his attributes are not close to reflecting that. I'd be curious to know where his CA ranks compared to all Championship RB/RWBs. My guess is he currently wouldn't even be in the top 10.



 

Edited October 24, 2022 by The_Batmantis

Hojbjerg's combined passing attributes are too low for his performance. He's proven to be an excellent passer of the ball for a long time now. I've included his comparison graphs to all midfielders over the past year. He's well in the 90th percentile in nearly every important area.

https://fbref.com/en/players/8b04d6c1/scout/365_euro/Pierre-Hojbjerg-Scouting-Report

I think the main attributes to look at improving are:
Passing - 13
Vision - 13
Technique - 13
Decisions - 12

Currently, in the same squad, Ben Davies is being rated as a better passer and that's well off the mark.
I've also included Bissouma's passing comps over the same time period. In these 4 core attributes, Bissouma has the much higher rating and, in all honesty, I think their passing attributes could be entirely swapped and it would be more representative of the actual players.

Here I'm trying to highlight the specific discrepancy in passing, but overall Hojbjerg is an excellent player.
He's been a key player for multiple top managers and I don't believe his current attribute spread reflects his overall performance.

Edited October 24, 2022 by The_Batmantis

38 minutes ago, The_Batmantis said:

Djed Spence was a crucial part of one of the best EFL Championship sides last season. He won EFL Championship Player of the Month and Young Player of the Month in March 2022 while also scoring the Goal of the Month.

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/djed-spence-scoops-young-player-of-the-month-award/

He was also named in the EFL "Football Manager" TOTS:
https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/football-manager-efl-team-of-the-season-line-ups-announced/

As well as being named in the PFA Championship TOTS:
https://www.thepfa.com/news/2022/6/9/pfa-awards-22-championship-toty

I explain this to then make the assessment of his attributes compared to other Championship RB/RWBs.
I've included comparisons from game start with zero attribute masking. First I looked at 4 other top rep/value RB/RWBs in the Championship (Aarons, Baldock, Bogle, Roberts) Djed's attribute spread is well below each of them. This is particularly the case in terms of mental attributes, which makes some sense when compared to older much more experienced players, but doesn't seem accurate when compared to Aarons/Bogle who are both nearly the same age and experience level. Keep in mind that Djed has over 100 Senior appearances now.

So then I started looking at other young RB/RWBs in the same league with similar appearance numbers (Ngakia, Hayden, Sanderson, Laird).
I'm seeing more favorable attribute spreads (for the specific position) in these players when compared to Djed even though they have not performed at the same level across a season.

Now, I understand Djed only has one excellent season on the books. But based on my napkin analysis (and without use of the full database editor) it appears that he's being rated well below many other Championship RB/RWBs including those who are younger and have shown far less in terms of performance.

I don't want to single out any specific attribute, but I think this demonstrates that Djed should get a significant bump to his current attribute spread. He was regarded as the best RWB in that league last season and his attributes are not close to reflecting that. I'd be curious to know where his CA ranks compared to all Championship RB/RWBs. My guess is he currently wouldn't even be in the top 10.



 

Thanks @The_Batmantis - Spence's CA compared to other, current Championship DRs sits at third; marginally behind Aarons and Roberts.  Of course, it is hard to make changes based on this season's performances (I believe that Spence has had a total of less than 10 minutes on the pitch across 3 sub appearances).

Just now, Pete Sottrel said:

Thanks @The_Batmantis - Spence's CA compared to other, current Championship DRs sits at third; marginally behind Aarons and Roberts.  Of course, it is hard to make changes based on this season's performances (I believe that Spence has had a total of less than 10 minutes on the pitch across 3 sub appearances).

Thanks for checking. That's really odd he's 3rd in CA because, I feel like I'm not seeing that reflected in the attribute pages I posted?
All those players are Championship RB/RWBs (some are on loan).

28 minutes ago, The_Batmantis said:

Hojbjerg's combined passing attributes are too low for his performance. He's proven to be an excellent passer of the ball for a long time now. I've included his comparison graphs to all midfielders over the past year. He's well in the 90th percentile in nearly every important area.

https://fbref.com/en/players/8b04d6c1/scout/365_euro/Pierre-Hojbjerg-Scouting-Report

I think the main attributes to look at improving are:
Passing - 13
Vision - 13
Technique - 13
Decisions - 12

Currently, in the same squad, Ben Davies is being rated as a better passer and that's well off the mark.
I've also included Bissouma's passing comps over the same time period. In these 4 core attributes, Bissouma has the much higher rating and, in all honesty, I think their passing attributes could be entirely swapped and it would be more representative of the actual players.

Here I'm trying to highlight the specific discrepancy in passing, but overall Hojbjerg is an excellent player.
He's been a key player for multiple top managers and I don't believe his current attribute spread reflects his overall performance.

Thanks, @The_Batmantis - that is an interesting analysis.  The passing amounts certainly favour Hojbjerg over Bissouma, yet Bissouma's scores in the completion percentages are all higher.  There have been changes made since the beta was released that see favourable changes to Hojberg in areas that you have highlighted.

Some more observations and advice for Brentford.

Thomas Strakosha has first choice gk status at the beggining, while he is backup option for Brentford, or maybe cup gk.

Bryan Mbuemo dribling should maybe increased +1, he has approximetly 60% of succ. dribles, which is not so bad indeed ( https://www.sofascore.com/player/bryan-mbeumo/927083 ) Next, for example, Jack Harrison has dribbling 14, while his succ. of dribbles are 46% (https://www.sofascore.com/player/jack-harrison/829570 )

Edited October 24, 2022 by HNLFan
New info

10 hours ago, PawoftheCoop said:

I'm getting Joel Robles asking for a transfer due to not having a WP to play for Leeds (Aug 22, no new contract etc) - I suspect this might be an error?

Thanks @PawoftheCoop - I have fixed this (contract start date had not been changed since his move from Spain).