Eredivisie Data [Discussion]

• Steven Berghuis should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi, Thierry Henry, Francesco Totti, Filippo Inzaghi(!) & Mezut Özil - proof 10:28 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBomEDzxMTQ (quite a few but there are a lot of players in the DB with multiple idols)
• Steven Bergwijn should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Ronaldinho, Ronaldo R9 & Lionel Messi - proof 01:00 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SBQTjpK9_U
• Jorrel Hato should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi - proof 01:47 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAb0ZDr_O54 and 02:48 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB43zRZ5igA
• Josip Šutalo should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi - proof 04:17 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5DJOensKds
• Isaac Babadi should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi & Ronaldo R9 - proof 02:42 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmcGg6BNSQ

Poster's note: Yes, I am a fan of Lionel Messi and would like his standing among his peers to be reflected in the game

Edited October 20, 2023 by preben

Vitesse:
Tim Cornelisse is the ass. coach of the B-team

Players should also go on Loan to Patro Eisden 

It does not seem Kleve and Vitesse play any friendlies

Guus Til showing transfer fee twice & for some reason Spartak Moscow in-between?

Groningen scout > Rutger van der Laan is missing.

 

https://nl.linkedin.com/in/rutger-v-740a92b3?trk=people-guest_people_search-card

Don't know if this is an data issue, but the values of some players are a bit weird.

Besides Bella-Kotchap is Ismael Saibari with 36 milion euros the most valuable PSV player. More than Lang (21m), Tezet (21m), Veerman (17m, Teze more than Veerman?)) and Bakayoko (who is only 8,8m).

At Ajax Kenneth Taylor has an value of 179m, Hato 169m and Rensch 114m. I think it's quite unbeleivable that Taylor is 158m more worth than a player like Lang.

Don't know if this is specifically a data issue, but I can give players under the age of 17 full-time contracts. As far as I have seen this only occurs in the Eredivisie.

In my personal opinion (PSV supporter):

I'd say Luuk de Jong is a PSV-icon at this point, not just favored personnel.

Joey Veerman has too high aggression (14 --> 10/11). He's not known to be a player who is willing to get stuck in. I'd also say the same about high work rate (15 seems to be way too high for what he has shown in games lately). Guus Til for example displays more work rate, while he is at 14.

Luuk de Jong should have slightly lower jumping reach (from 16 to 14/15), but maybe even up the Heading to 19.

Jerdy Schouten's decision-making should be higher than 13.

Ramalho's composure and positioning should be less than 15.

On 19/10/2023 at 21:24, DigiJoey said:

Alright, that's fair. Then coach is indeed the better option.

 

Another note: Maxi Romero is set to join Racing Club on 1 January 2024, but is at PSV until then.

In real life he is on loan to Racing Club until January 1st. He will sign a permanent deal with them if the conditions, as agreed by the two clubs, are met.

 

https://www.psv.nl/english-psv/news/article/transfer-maxi-romero-extends-loan-deal-with-racing-club-by-six-months.htm

 

Which conditions though?

I think everybody wants for Maxi to join Racing Club - but we will have to see how it goes - I think this will be answered in January.

On 19/10/2023 at 21:24, mmmufc said:

PSV has an partnership with Chivas

https://www.psv.nl/nieuwspagina/artikel/psv-sluit-partnership-met-club-deportivo-guadalajara.htm

 

There is a partnership set up with CD Guadalajara (which should be the same team)

 

On 19/10/2023 at 21:28, Zek said:

Eredivisie and KKD are missing the award winners of last season, aside of the Eredivisie Top Goalscorer.

Saibari signed a contract extension until 2028. https://www.psv.nl/english-psv/news/article/contract-news-ismael-saibari-signs-contract-extension-until-2028.htm

Ledezma signed a contract extension until 2025. https://www.psv.nl/english-psv/news/article/transfer-ledezma-signs-contract-extension-and-has-permission-to-complete-loan-deal.htm

 

Saibari has 100% been set correctly already.  Ledezma not so much, we'll look to update this for future versions.
Which awards are you looking at exactly? I think they were just recently handed out - during the season, so we didn't add them (yet) - although you could argue as they're for the past season....   but just to double check which ones you're missing.

On 19/10/2023 at 23:36, TheBladeSharp said:

At Almere City FC Fred Grim is an Icon which is understandable, but he was a manager for us and not a player. 
Also looking at player attributes I would argue that Nordin Bakker's not been done justice. A determination of 3 seems outrageously low, as does his PA given his growth since having joined us from Beroe. He was also one of the best goalkeepers in the KKD last season. 
Also Christopher Mamengi has not been moved to the club yet either, despite him having been signed by Almere from Utrecht on a deal until 2026. Another player who has not been moved to (Jong) Almere City yet is Stan ter Haar (player ID: 2000053501). Besides these 2 players there's also a lack of players in Almere City U18 in Rens Hut, Zito Abdul, Zep Boerboom, Jaiden Dorn, Gabriel Luciano Accord, Senna Szokol, Gino Mateo Hernandez, Sten Teunissen, Meli Arda Saygi, Bodi Booker, Joyano Levant, Tyran Ottens, Sophian van der Drift, and Emanuel Poku.
Anoush Dastgir has been given the Continental B Licence. I don't know how this ranks against the IRL KNVB licences, but Dastgir has passed his exam for Voetbalcoach 5 which allows him to manage any senior team.
Geert van der Heiden has been posted up as Head Physio, which also shows him as such on LinkedIn, however Almere City has Jeroen Bijl listed as Head Physio on their website. https://almerecity.nl/selectie/almere-city-1/spelerslijst/
As far as Chief Doctors can be changed/edited it'd be nice if it could be Ted van Iersel in name only.
As for scouting knowledge: Johan Hansma has stated in interviews that the club predominantly looks in Spain and France, yet the club's scouting team has 0 knowledge of any of them. Adding this knowledge to the scouting team or Johan Hansma could be a potential fix.
 

Hey!

Well, Grim is a licensing request - but at least he has been set there. I agree about Bakker - he has a randomly generated determination rating, so can sometimes unfortunately be 3. He's been doing allright, I agree. But he's not a bad goalie (for you overall, ignoring the determination)

 

Stan ter Haar is no longer with Almere -> https://www.excelsior31.nl/9341/nieuws/stan-ter-haar-20-terug-bij-excelsior-31

We haven't included most U18 players if a clear date of birth is missing.

We will look into the non-playing staff for future releases 

Unfortunately we missed Mamengi. I'm not sure how - but he will be addressed for future releases of course.

4 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Which conditions though?

I think everybody wants for Maxi to join Racing Club - but we will have to see how it goes - I think this will be answered in January.

There is a partnership set up with CD Guadalajara (which should be the same team)

 

Saibari has 100% been set correctly already.  Ledezma not so much, we'll look to update this for future versions.
Which awards are you looking at exactly? I think they were just recently handed out - during the season, so we didn't add them (yet) - although you could argue as they're for the past season....   but just to double check which ones you're missing.

The conditions are unclear indeed. But in the game Maxi is at PSV, until 1-1-2024 and then joins Racing. Irl he is on loan at Racing until 1-1-2024 (but maybe longer, permanently)

10 hours ago, LZmaster said:

Don't know if this is specifically a data issue, but I can give players under the age of 17 full-time contracts. As far as I have seen this only occurs in the Eredivisie.

Is this right or wrong?

But this should be possible. 

On 19/10/2023 at 23:46, Jorrick said:

Ted van de Pavert yesterday signed as a youth coach with De Graafschap. Would be very cool to add this De Graafschap legend to the staff in-game.

https://www.degraafschap.nl/nieuws/oer-superboer-ted-van-de-pavert-keert-terug-bij-de-graafschap

 

We'll look into this for future versions/releases. Thanks.

25 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Is this right or wrong?

But this should be possible. 

I mean they sign them immediately... So usually you would sign a pre-contract until you turn 17 years old. You keep the youth contract, but the second they turn 17 they sign their senior contract. Now I can give senior contracts to 15 year olds.

On 20/10/2023 at 10:42, mmmufc said:

Squad numbers of PSV are not totally accurate.

Sergino Dest has 13 in game, irl 8

Ismael Saibari has 28 in game, 34 irl

Jason van Duiven has no number in game, irl 19

https://www.psv.nl/psv/team/overzicht.htm

Thanks, we will look to fix those when possible. 

 

On 20/10/2023 at 11:16, preben said:

• Steven Berghuis should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi, Thierry Henry, Francesco Totti, Filippo Inzaghi(!) & Mezut Özil - proof 10:28 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBomEDzxMTQ (quite a few but there are a lot of players in the DB with multiple idols)
• Steven Bergwijn should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Ronaldinho, Ronaldo R9 & Lionel Messi - proof 01:00 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SBQTjpK9_U
• Jorrel Hato should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi - proof 01:47 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAb0ZDr_O54 and 02:48 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB43zRZ5igA
• Josip Šutalo should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi - proof 04:17 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5DJOensKds
• Isaac Babadi should have "Favoured Personnel (idol)" set to Lionel Messi & Ronaldo R9 - proof 02:42 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmcGg6BNSQ

Poster's note: Yes, I am a fan of Lionel Messi and would like his standing among his peers to be reflected in the game

Clearly  - will include these, it's nice to have

 

22 hours ago, Dropveter said:

Vitesse:
Tim Cornelisse is the ass. coach of the B-team

Players should also go on Loan to Patro Eisden 

It does not seem Kleve and Vitesse play any friendlies

Thanks, we will look to adjust these - makes sense to lower the "friendly percentage" - and will increase the likelihood with Patro.

 

21 hours ago, Craig_R.U.F.C said:

Guus Til showing transfer fee twice & for some reason Spartak Moscow in-between?

 

Indeed. This has been logged - looks like there's several other examples like this as well.

 

21 hours ago, Goeieherder said:

Groningen scout > Rutger van der Laan is missing.

 

https://nl.linkedin.com/in/rutger-v-740a92b3?trk=people-guest_people_search-card

We will need a bit more information - preferably with a date of birth as well

 

18 hours ago, mmmufc said:

Don't know if this is an data issue, but the values of some players are a bit weird.

Besides Bella-Kotchap is Ismael Saibari with 36 milion euros the most valuable PSV player. More than Lang (21m), Tezet (21m), Veerman (17m, Teze more than Veerman?)) and Bakayoko (who is only 8,8m).

At Ajax Kenneth Taylor has an value of 179m, Hato 169m and Rensch 114m. I think it's quite unbeleivable that Taylor is 158m more worth than a player like Lang.

We don't set these values - that doesn't sound right indeed - but this is not upto me (research/database)

2 minutes ago, LZmaster said:

I mean they sign them immediately... So usually you would sign a pre-contract until you turn 17 years old. You keep the youth contract, but the second they turn 17 they sign their senior contract. Now I can give senior contracts to 15 year olds.

That is possible.

https://www.ajaxshowtime.com/bijzaken-en-geruchten/knvb-neemt-besluit-contracten-vanaf-15-jaar

There might be a newer (more official) article somewhere, but this covers it.

55 minutes ago, Skky said:

In my personal opinion (PSV supporter):

I'd say Luuk de Jong is a PSV-icon at this point, not just favored personnel.

Joey Veerman has too high aggression (14 --> 10/11). He's not known to be a player who is willing to get stuck in. I'd also say the same about high work rate (15 seems to be way too high for what he has shown in games lately). Guus Til for example displays more work rate, while he is at 14.

Luuk de Jong should have slightly lower jumping reach (from 16 to 14/15), but maybe even up the Heading to 19.

Jerdy Schouten's decision-making should be higher than 13.

Ramalho's composure and positioning should be less than 15.

Luukinho (and others) have been set like this as per request of licensing.

I think Veerman is quite aggressive (and annoying, haha) - definitely makes some frustration fouls for example.

We will keep on evaluating players as the season(s) progress though. 

45 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Clearly  - will include these, it's nice to have

Thanks buddy - appreciate all the work you guys are doing with the DB

On 20/10/2023 at 08:53, Hanz said:

Hi Jeroen. Thank you for your good work. I have a couple of points. I'll do it with numbers because that makes it easier to respond for you

 

1. Remko Pasveer has ingame a injury of 5 months. IRL he was 17-9-2023 already part of the squad

2. Ajax works together with Sharjah from VAE. They pay Ajax a lot of money for coaching and talentdevelopment - Source https://www.ajax.nl/media/omzfie0v/ajax-jaarverslag-2022-2023.pdf page 41

3. Ricardo van Rhijn is retired. Source https://www.voetbalzone.nl/nieuws/achtvoudig-oranje-international-stopt-al-op-jarige-leeftijd-met-profvoetbal/422925

4. Van Axel Dongen speelt met Amourricho on his shirt. Source https://www.ajax.nl/artikelen/contractverlenging-amourricho-van-axel-dongen/ En Carlos Borges met Forbs https://www.ajax.nl/artikelen/ajax-contracteert-carlos-roberto-forbs-borges/

5. Ingame is Redouan El Yaakoubi mainly a VR - fullback. But he is never playing as VR. Only VC or DM. I suugest to make him even not stuiable to play as VR. Source https://www.transfermarkt.nl/redouan-el-yaakoubi/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/480730/plus/0?saison=&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=NL1&pos=&trainer_id=

6. Koki Ogawa can be buyed by NEC at the end of his loan for 1.2 milion https://www.gelderlander.nl/nec/nec-rondt-komst-van-ogawa-af-japanse-spits-wordt-voor-een-seizoen-gehuurd-met-optie-tot-koop~a4d51a26/?cb=c8917a319c2f968a0e21a748a5235ed2&auth_rd=1

7. Feyenoord works together with Tigres Mexico and Urawa Japan . Source and details https://www.feyenoord.nl/nieuws/nieuwsoverzicht/feyenoord-gaat-samenwerken-met-mexicaans-kampioen-tigres-190723
https://www.feyenoord.com/news/overview/partnership-between-feyenoord-and-urawa-red-diamonds

8. Ramaj/Vos/Kaplan and Salah-Eddine are ingame B squad players but irl First team players. I suggest also a little tweak of Vos his CA becasue of his starting spot irl

9. Danny Blind is ingame a Manager but he wants only work as Director. Source https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/blind-is-klaar-als-trainer-voor-mij-is-het-wel-goed-zo

10. Freek van Herk is not a referee irl. He is retired in 2019 . Source https://blad.covs.nl/03-2019/toppers-betaald-voetbal/
2 new names a referee for the Keuken kampioen divisie Thomas Hardeman en Boyd van Kommer. Source https://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/scheidsrechters/aanstellingen/68154/serdar-gozubuyuk-fluit-de-klassieker-amsterdam#:~:text=In de Keuken Kampioen Divisie,duels beginnen om 20.00 uur.

11. And maybe you can look to Ihatarren. Ingame he playes in 3 simulations 3 times for RKC but that is not realistic with al his problems. Maybe reputation lower?

12. Ugwu and Alders ingame a youth contract and Alders until 2025. Irl both signes pro contract until 202. Source https://www.ajax.nl/artikelen/ajax-contracteert-ugwu-en-alders/

13. Christopher Mamengi ingame plays for Utrecht but he signed for Almere this summer. Source https://almerecity.nl/almere-city-1/almere-city-fc-bindt-mamengi-voor-langere-tijd/

14. Sylian Mokono is ingame loaned to Almere but IRL he is still playing for Heracles without a loan https://www.transfermarkt.nl/sylian-mokono/profil/spieler/150663

15. At go Ahead Eagles. I think that the situation ingame with Mulder a better goalkeeper and better reuputation than de Lange is not refleting the irl situation.

Hey Hanz,
thanks for the feedback

1) Thanks, will amend this. 
2)  We have Sharjah set as affiliated club
3) Thanks, I suppose we should retire him!
4) Adjusting for future releases
5) Hmm - he is originally a right back, since we have him as DRC - that's not wrong - I think that gets overlooked a little bit. We'll adjust his positional ratings.
6) Thanks! We did have  the option there, but not the right amount
7) Not sure if Urawa agreement is still there....
8) Well, Ramaj sucks, Kaplan has been injured forever and ASE is playing for both sides - so not sure.  Vos has had a quite a big improvement and is a very talented player. Also not convinced if Vos is a mainstay, realistically he would have been behind Mannsverk and Tahirovic in the pecking order for sure.  But I do agree Ramaj and Vos should probably be there - it's not something easily to portray though, as it's AI that mostly decides. We'll have to monitor this.
9) Agreed, we will look to adjust
10) Will look into it
11) Tough one. Have a feeling he could wind up at RKC somehow - but it's difficult to deal with this situation
12) They were still set to youth contracts unfortunately - although we did renew the contracts.
13) Thanks, logged before - missed this one unfortunately
14) Hmm, that's strange - Mokono is nowhere near Almere in the database?
15) Which one is really the better GK though. Mulder definitely historically. Made some changes, because Mulder was a lot better a few months ago (in our database) - now they're pretty much equal. Mulder dropped, De Lange raised. They're pretty much equal
 

I think I've caught up with everybody for data/research issues (everything) - thanks for the input - it's much appreciated

55 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

That is possible.

https://www.ajaxshowtime.com/bijzaken-en-geruchten/knvb-neemt-besluit-contracten-vanaf-15-jaar

There might be a newer (more official) article somewhere, but this covers it.

Oh wow, didn't realise this changed. Thank you very much! Another thing, players that won the Eredivisie last year don't have a mention in their profile of doing so. I added a screenshot.

4 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

I think I've caught up with everybody for data/research issues (everything) - thanks for the input - it's much appreciated

Appreciate the quick and detailed responses! 

6 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Hey!

Well, Grim is a licensing request - but at least he has been set there. I agree about Bakker - he has a randomly generated determination rating, so can sometimes unfortunately be 3. He's been doing allright, I agree. But he's not a bad goalie (for you overall, ignoring the determination)

 

Stan ter Haar is no longer with Almere -> https://www.excelsior31.nl/9341/nieuws/stan-ter-haar-20-terug-bij-excelsior-31

We haven't included most U18 players if a clear date of birth is missing.

We will look into the non-playing staff for future releases 

Unfortunately we missed Mamengi. I'm not sure how - but he will be addressed for future releases of course.

In general the attributes of the players, or at the very least the ones who played the most matches and were the best players last season, would be best having their full attributes filled in as opposed to leaving them blank and open for the game to generate on its own. But that's a whole 'nother discussion on and off itself. In regards to Bakker he's just the victim of having randomly assigned attributes which show on his profile as him being not a good SK when he has played as an SK-De in one match, and then the next be a regular GK. 

As for other rating/attribute issues I do feel like Manel Royo, Jochem Ritmeester van de Kamp and Stije Resink have been let down somewhat. I would argue that Jochem's Off The Ball should be higher than an 11, as should his Decisions be higher than a 9. For Stije I'd argue a higher Tackling than 10 and a higher Concentration than 10. As for Manel his Marking, Bravery, and Composure should be higher than 10 each. His Teamwork should also be above a 9, seeing how he sticks to his tasks and doesn't drift away all that often like for example Thomas Poll did last season. 

As for players given too high attributes in some places I'd say Thomas Robinet's composure should be either 10 or 11, not 12. Lance Duijvestijn's Decisions would be better suited as an 11 or 12, not a 13. Last season wasn't as immense for him as an individual than 2021/22.

I also noticed that Tim Receveur is only put up as Favoured Personnel while he should either be an Icon or Legend, seeing how he played over 160 games for the club across 2 spells spanning a total of 9 seasons which is among the most loyal in the club's history.

As for verifying a player's age, what sources are acceptable? Only if published or posted by the club directly on either social media or their website? Something else? This to prevent me from sharing, for example, Facebook profiles of players merely to verify their ages so they can be added to the database.

8 minutes ago, TheBladeSharp said:

I also noticed that Tim Receveur is only put up as Favoured Personnel while he should either be an Icon or Legend, seeing how he played over 160 games for the club across 2 spells spanning a total of 9 seasons which is among the most loyal in the club's history.
 

Again, just like Grim - this is a licensing request we require to follow. - Unless if it's pure nonsense - we did have a social media manager requested to be added with other clubs - and also a Club Mascot.   But yeah, that was a little out there 

5 minutes ago, TheBladeSharp said:

In general the attributes of the players, or at the very least the ones who played the most matches and were the best players last season, would be best having their full attributes filled in as opposed to leaving them blank and open for the game to generate on its own. But that's a whole 'nother discussion on and off itself. In regards to Bakker he's just the victim of having randomly assigned attributes which show on his profile as him being not a good SK when he has played as an SK-De in one match, and then the next be a regular GK. 

As for other rating/attribute issues I do feel like Manel Royo, Jochem Ritmeester van de Kamp and Stije Resink have been let down somewhat. I would argue that Jochem's Off The Ball should be higher than an 11, as should his Decisions be higher than a 9. For Stije I'd argue a higher Tackling than 10 and a higher Concentration than 10. As for Manel his Marking, Bravery, and Composure should be higher than 10 each. His Teamwork should also be above a 9, seeing how he sticks to his tasks and doesn't drift away all that often like for example Thomas Poll did last season. 

As for players given too high attributes in some places I'd say Thomas Robinet's composure should be either 10 or 11, not 12. Lance Duijvestijn's Decisions would be better suited as an 11 or 12, not a 13. Last season wasn't as immense for him as an individual than 2021/22.

I also noticed that Tim Receveur is only put up as Favoured Personnel while he should either be an Icon or Legend, seeing how he played over 160 games for the club across 2 spells spanning a total of 9 seasons which is among the most loyal in the club's history.

As for verifying a player's age, what sources are acceptable? Only if published or posted by the club directly on either social media or their website? Something else? This to prevent me from sharing, for example, Facebook profiles of players merely to verify their ages so they can be added to the database.

Any credible source is fine, Facebook can work as well - sometimes you can catch someone wishing a player (or coach) a happy birthday - and if you know his age or year you get there as well 

the rest is up for debate, but we'll have to keep on monitoring and tweaking - which gets done.

Some Ajax squadnumers are adjusted:

mika godts should have squadnumber 39 instead of 60
Kristian Nökkvi Hlynsson should have squadnumber 38 instead of empty
Sivert Mannsverk should have squadnumber 16 instead of 6

source: Ajax-selectie is compleet: de rugnummers voor dit seizoen op een rij (ajaxshowtime.com)