Eredivisie Data [Discussion]

Not sure if this is a data issue, but the Vitesse sponsor is not correct.

In game we have XXL Nutrition, but it real life this is Bet City

 

5 minutes ago, Dropveter said:

Not sure if this is a data issue, but the Vitesse sponsor is not correct.

In game we have XXL Nutrition, but it real life this is Bet City

 

We have had a few sponsorship - kit changes due to licensing issues (due to betting companies etc.)

Fortuna Sittard is another example

1 hour ago, ^1Not^22^3B^4Reanimated said:

Some Ajax squadnumers are adjusted:

mika godts should have squadnumber 39 instead of 60
Kristian Nökkvi Hlynsson should have squadnumber 38 instead of empty
Sivert Mannsverk should have squadnumber 16 instead of 6

source: Ajax-selectie is compleet: de rugnummers voor dit seizoen op een rij (ajaxshowtime.com)

Thanks, these have been logged for future releases

I think that something is wrong within player roles... for example it says that Noa Lang best role at LAM is winger when it clearly should be inverted winger... same for Bakayoko (but on the right side) at PSV. I've seen many other examples like this where the player roles are completely wrong but the most that caught my attention were the winger/inverted winger as the example I said above. Thanks

5 minutes ago, sidbets said:

I think that something is wrong within player roles... for example it says that Noa Lang best role at LAM is winger when it clearly should be inverted winger... same for Bakayoko (but on the right side) at PSV. I've seen many other examples like this where the player roles are completely wrong but the most that caught my attention were the winger/inverted winger as the example I said above. Thanks

This is interesting.

Not necessarily a database / research issue - as in fact, we do have Noa Lang configured for his best role to be... an.... inverted winger:

For Bakayoko it's "regular" winger, but inverted winger not far behind.

If there are more examples (although Bakayoko is debatable) - then that's definitely noteworthy.

 

45 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

We have had a few sponsorship - kit changes due to licensing issues (due to betting companies etc.)

Fortuna Sittard is another example

Is Almere City FC not counted as one of those examples with them using OneCasino? Also, is there a reason for there not being the third, green, kit that we use in about half of our away games (like for example Utrecht and Feyenoord so far) due to kit clashes? EAFC for example swapped them out for SENS.

 

3 minutes ago, TheBladeSharp said:

Is Almere City FC not counted as one of those examples with them using OneCasino? Also, is there a reason for there not being the third, green, kit that we use in about half of our away games (like for example Utrecht and Feyenoord so far) due to kit clashes? EAFC for example swapped them out for SENS.

 

Thanks - As indicated all this stuff is licensed. No need to raise this - although you have a point of course. 

40 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

We have had a few sponsorship - kit changes due to licensing issues (due to betting companies etc.)

Fortuna Sittard is another example

Thought so, nothing to do about it then

10 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Which awards are you looking at exactly? I think they were just recently handed out - during the season, so we didn't add them (yet) - although you could argue as they're for the past season....   but just to double check which ones you're missing.

I meant awards like the Eredivisie and Keuken Kampioen Divisie Player of the Year award (see the top two pictures), but you're absolutely right they were handed out only last month.

Also a minor error, the highest scoring match in the JCS (see the bottom picture) should be Ajax - PSV 3-5, played on 30 July 2022.

1 hour ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

This is interesting.

Not necessarily a database / research issue - as in fact, we do have Noa Lang configured for his best role to be... an.... inverted winger:

For Bakayoko it's "regular" winger, but inverted winger not far behind.

If there are more examples (although Bakayoko is debatable) - then that's definitely noteworthy.

 

Almost all inverted wingers are now having their best roles set as wingers. Even players with a weak foot for that position (weak right foot for AMR as winger and vice-versa).

Missing staff:

Paul Van Der Kraan (Managing Director) Twente      Was on previous FM databases

Bestuur & Organisatie | FC Twente

Thanks

7 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

This is interesting.

Not necessarily a database / research issue - as in fact, we do have Noa Lang configured for his best role to be... an.... inverted winger:

For Bakayoko it's "regular" winger, but inverted winger not far behind.

If there are more examples (although Bakayoko is debatable) - then that's definitely noteworthy.

 

Sorry but I didn't know where to report it... I can give more examples of players that should be inverted wingers and are best suited as wingers. Rafael leao, Chukwueze, Berghuis, Antony, Sancho... All of them have the same star numbers on winger and inverted winger in their natural positions but the winger role is the the one that shows up more above. And honestly none of them should even have the same stars for inverted winger and winger role

Why is that? Doesn't make much sense...

Stengs natural position is right winger altough he last year he played mostly as an CM/AM and this year only as an AM. I think his natural position should  be CAM now.

https://www.transfermarkt.nl/calvin-stengs/leistungsdaten/spieler/409344/plus/0?saison=2022

And for Lingr, in my game he has a contract until 2024 however he extended untill 2025 at Slavia to make the loan work. Also it is not just a loan it is a accounting trick to not pay the full sum at once. He wil get a definitive transfer to Feyenoord in 2024, or at least an option to buy.

https://www.feyenoord.nl/nieuws/nieuwsoverzicht/ondrej-lingr-nieuwe-versterking-voor-feyenoord-240823

12 minutes ago, caesare said:

Stengs natural position is right winger altough he last year he played mostly as an CM/AM and this year only as an AM. I think his natural position should  be CAM now.

https://www.transfermarkt.nl/calvin-stengs/leistungsdaten/spieler/409344/plus/0?saison=2022

And for Lingr, in my game he has a contract until 2024 however he extended untill 2025 at Slavia to make the loan work. Also it is not just a loan it is a accounting trick to not pay the full sum at once. He wil get a definitive transfer to Feyenoord in 2024, or at least an option to buy.

https://www.feyenoord.nl/nieuws/nieuwsoverzicht/ondrej-lingr-nieuwe-versterking-voor-feyenoord-240823

There is an option to buy set for Lingr.

Stengs has played almost 150 games as a right winger. This should probably remain his natural position for another 2-3 seasons - if not his entire career - but we will continue to look at his performance of course.

On 21/10/2023 at 12:51, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Hey Hanz,
thanks for the feedback

1) Thanks, will amend this. 
2)  We have Sharjah set as affiliated club
3) Thanks, I suppose we should retire him!
4) Adjusting for future releases
5) Hmm - he is originally a right back, since we have him as DRC - that's not wrong - I think that gets overlooked a little bit. We'll adjust his positional ratings.
6) Thanks! We did have  the option there, but not the right amount
7) Not sure if Urawa agreement is still there....
8) Well, Ramaj sucks, Kaplan has been injured forever and ASE is playing for both sides - so not sure.  Vos has had a quite a big improvement and is a very talented player. Also not convinced if Vos is a mainstay, realistically he would have been behind Mannsverk and Tahirovic in the pecking order for sure.  But I do agree Ramaj and Vos should probably be there - it's not something easily to portray though, as it's AI that mostly decides. We'll have to monitor this.
9) Agreed, we will look to adjust
10) Will look into it
11) Tough one. Have a feeling he could wind up at RKC somehow - but it's difficult to deal with this situation
12) They were still set to youth contracts unfortunately - although we did renew the contracts.
13) Thanks, logged before - missed this one unfortunately
14) Hmm, that's strange - Mokono is nowhere near Almere in the database?
15) Which one is really the better GK though. Mulder definitely historically. Made some changes, because Mulder was a lot better a few months ago (in our database) - now they're pretty much equal. Mulder dropped, De Lange raised. They're pretty much equal
 

 

Thank you for your reaction! Point 8 is more meant as factual their first team players. Not based on quality but based on Ajax A team. 14 is a mistake from me

 

Is there something wrong with the display of the skin tone?

Some players have skin tone 11 but seems almost white in the match engine Yhis was nebver the case in former editions.

For instance Silvano Vos below with skin tone 11. If this really the final display I suggest increasing the skin tone by al lot of players like Devyne Rensch, Lucas Jetten, etc.

Record period adjustment AFC Ajax: most matches without winning  should be: 7 : starting 21/3/1965 ending 22/08/1965

 

Dávid Hancko is in my opinion quite underrated still this year, especially in his attacking stats. He was generally considered to be the best player in the league last year (together with Xavi Simmons and Santi Gimenez). The images added below (from ESPN and FBRef, both using Opta data) showcase his attacking threat, which is aboslutely elite in the Eredivisie (for centre backs) in all facets. If you watch the Feyenoord games, it's not uncommon at all to see Hancko pop up in the oppositions box from open play, in dangerous positions, which I feel is quite rare for a centre back and thus deserves to be reflected in his stats . With that being said, I'd like to propose the following changes, especially considering he's 25 so his big development years in FM terms are behind him already:

Off The Ball: 11>14 (this is the main stat I feel deserves an upgrade, and a big one at that,for the reasons mentioned above)
Technique and First Touch: 11>12/13
Vision: 13>14
Passing: 14>15
Work Rate: 12>13/14 (to reflect his drive forward, alternatively this could be reflected by adding a trait (Runs with ball down left side, gets forward whenever possible)
Marking: 12>13/14

His main position should also probably be Centre Back, although I'm not sure if it is already and it's just my scout that sets his profile to left back by default
 

Edited October 22, 2023 by JeffDaniels

1 hour ago, ^1Not^22^3B^4Reanimated said:

Is there something wrong with the display of the skin tone?

Some players have skin tone 11 but seems almost white in the match engine Yhis was nebver the case in former editions.

For instance Silvano Vos below with skin tone 11. If this really the final display I suggest increasing the skin tone by al lot of players like Devyne Rensch, Lucas Jetten, etc.

 

Hey - thanks, hmmm - you'd say 11 would be correct - but it doesn't seem to come off how we'd like it...

 

1 hour ago, ^1Not^22^3B^4Reanimated said:

Record period adjustment AFC Ajax: most matches without winning  should be: 7 : starting 21/3/1965 ending 22/08/1965

 

OK, we will look to amend this

 

44 minutes ago, JeffDaniels said:

Dávid Hancko is in my opinion quite underrated still this year, especially in his attacking stats. He was generally considered to be the best player in the league last year (together with Xavi Simmons and Santi Gimenez). The images added below (from ESPN and FBRef, both using Opta data) showcase his attacking threat, which is aboslutely elite in the Eredivisie (for centre backs) in all facets. If you watch the Feyenoord games, it's not uncommon at all to see Hancko pop up in the oppositions box from open play, in dangerous positions, which I feel is quite rare for a centre back and thus deserves to be reflected in his stats . With that being said, I'd like to propose the following changes, especially considering he's 25 so his big development years in FM terms are behind him already:

Off The Ball: 11>14 (this is the main stat I feel deserves an upgrade, and a big one at that,for the reasons mentioned above)
Technique and First Touch: 11>12/13
Vision: 13>14
Passing: 14>15
Work Rate: 12>13/14 (to reflect his drive forward, alternatively this could be reflected by adding a trait (Runs with ball down left side, gets forward whenever possible)
Marking: 12>13/14

His main position should also probably be Centre Back, although I'm not sure if it is already and it's just my scout that sets his profile to left back by default
 

 

Hi, thanks for this. (I cut out all the images but not to ignore them) - well Hancko is set as DC 20, DL 19 - so he should be a DC foremost. He has a 15 WBL rating as well, which might be some influence too.

He has been rated as a very good player, but he's instantly again one of the silent forces (well maybe not so silent) this season again.  We'll keep on monitoring him and make adjustments when possible and/or required.

12 hours ago, sidbets said:

Sorry but I didn't know where to report it... I can give more examples of players that should be inverted wingers and are best suited as wingers. Rafael leao, Chukwueze, Berghuis, Antony, Sancho... All of them have the same star numbers on winger and inverted winger in their natural positions but the winger role is the the one that shows up more above. And honestly none of them should even have the same stars for inverted winger and winger role

Thanks for this - it will do for now - that's a few names to check.

I'll admit that I'm not such a fantastic actual FM game player that I know 100% of all the effects - but I do think we have to consider that this is not dramatic. They might not be portrayed exactly as what it says on the box - but they should still be fine - so if you were to play Noa Lang as an inverted winger, he should be very much capable of this. It may have to do with some tweaking of tactics as well.  So I think Winger is the role for 433 while Inverted Winger is the role for 4231...

Ajax goalie Diant Ramaj is twofooted. Left foot should be increased to 15

Josip Sutalo's left foot can also be increased to 14 as he's nearly 2 footed (not that we can notice so far )

Can Maarten Stekelenburg (ID: 850897) attributes be adjusted so he appears as a goalkeepercoach instead of a coach?

Can Rene Stam (ID: 601542) be set as goalkeepercoach Holland U19. See https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rené-stam-683878123_ik-heb-een-nieuwe-functie-als-goalkeepercoach-activity-7105220856762490880-p_oq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

Can Alexander Palland (ID: 37075217) and IRL assistant-manager Holland U17) be set as Holland coach U19?

Can the Dutch records be adjusted (if not mentioned before)

Duurste Nederlandse speler: Frenkie de Jong á €86.000.000

Hoogste transfersom betaald in land: Steven Bergwijn €31.250.000

Hoogste transfersom ontvangen in land: Antony 95.000.000

 

 

3 minutes ago, ^1Not^22^3B^4Reanimated said:

Ajax goalie Diant Ramaj is twofooted. Left foot should be increased to 15

Josip Sutalo's left foot can also be increased to 14 as he's nearly 2 footed (not that we can notice so far )

Can Maarten Stekelenburg (ID: 850897) attributes be adjusted so he appears as a goalkeepercoach instead of a coach?

Can Rene Stam (ID: 601542) be set as goalkeepercoach Holland U19. See https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rené-stam-683878123_ik-heb-een-nieuwe-functie-als-goalkeepercoach-activity-7105220856762490880-p_oq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

Can Alexander Palland (ID: 37075217) and IRL assistant-manager Holland U17) be set as Holland coach U19?

Very strongly doubt Ramaj is fully capable to do things with two feet just like most field players. A 7 should do.
Not really keen on changing Sutalo until after the winter break either.

The rest will be looked into - and feel free to have look at the players yourself (and Stekelenburg) as well at some point.... 

24 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Very strongly doubt Ramaj is fully capable to do things with two feet just like most field players. A 7 should do.
Not really keen on changing Sutalo until after the winter break either.

The rest will be looked into - and feel free to have look at the players yourself (and Stekelenburg) as well at some point.... 

Can live with this. But can't Ramaj left foot be at least a little bit higher (like 11)  so i won't get the "Mijdt gebruik zwakker been"-comment ingame,  while IRL he isn't afraid to use his left foot.