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Hello Everyone, 

So after having a great start in the Bundesliga and Champions League we struggle winning games. We didn’t win the last 6 games and before that we played against Benfica, spurs, Bayern and Leipzig and did really well but now it goes down like the titanic and I don’t why. I thought this is the tactic I need for fm 20, I’m not scoring a lot of goals and my striker isn’t scoring much and the overall performance of all players are pretty low, but I was winning matches and won the season before the DFB Cup

Im no expert about tactics but finding a good tactic this year seems really hard for me. 
 

I appreciate every kind of help and tips . 
 

so when the enemy is on the ball I want to play gegenpressing, don’t let them having possession and after winning the ball playing a good Counter Play. 
 

and with the ball we have to play patiently, but with High Tempo and still having a great amount of possession. Passing, with high tempo and after finding space it has to be fast and a wonderfully style of football 

 

Every time I’m playing with high tempo , the possession for my team is really low so I thought I should reduce it on standard and since now it was not bad playing like this. 
 

i was thinking of making one of my WB to IWB ( maybe both of them? ) but I’m not sure about that. 
And maybe Changing my striker to an AF but the analysis shows the big red place which shows me that playing an AF doesn’t seem right ( or maybe it is I don’t know honestly) 

The Main Goalscorer should be my front three, and winning the ball back my midfielders, one of them who feeds my front three with passes and my dlp is doing that really good. 
 

The WB should overlap for a complete dominance on their side 

and the defensive line should be high I think for having much possession and don’t let them playing around my midi field 

I aprecciate  every kind of help and I’m sorry for my Englisch, I’m from Germany :) 

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I think even Bosz would look at this tactic and go "This might be a tad too offensive".

In possession you have 7 players running forwards and with the DLP on support he'll also show his face up front so your 2 defenders are completely on their own. Looking at your recent losses, it seems to be mainly big teams, 2 matches in Europe and two top teams in the Bundesliga, who will actually try to attack you, so  it doesn't really surprise me you struggled against them with this set up.

So I would start by toning down the offensive roles a tad and personally I'm not a fan off having three players up front who all want to score goals first and worry about the rest second, how are you gonna create chances when they all just want to rush into the box?

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16 minutes ago, Freakiie said:

I think even Bosz would look at this tactic and go "This might be a tad too offensive".

In possession you have 7 players running forwards and with the DLP on support he'll also show his face up front so your 2 defenders are completely on their own. Looking at your recent losses, it seems to be mainly big teams, 2 matches in Europe and two top teams in the Bundesliga, who will actually try to attack you, so  it doesn't really surprise me you struggled against them with this set up.

So I would start by toning down the offensive roles a tad and personally I'm not a fan off having three players up front who all want to score goals first and worry about the rest second, how are you gonna create chances when they all just want to rush into the box?

Oh what I meant is that the games against spurs, Bayern or Leipzig was really good, it was the first time winning these games. 
But then those winless streak begins, after my big win against Bayern. Now Sitting 5th in the Bundesliga, and didn’t win the last 6 or 7 games against teams like, hoffenheim, Mainz, Wolfsburg and a loss in the dfb cup against Hertha :/ 

 

 

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Well, my advice remains the same to be honest. You play way too attacking in my opinion. I'd change the DLP(S) to a defend duty so he actually holds position, take Cengiz down a notch (Even an IF(S) has an attacking mentality this FM), Brandt, he has the "looks for pass rather than score" PPM, not sure how you see a goal scoring IF in him? I'd try him as an IW(S) so you actually have another creator. Then you'd have Alcázer as your main goal threat, Cengiz as a secondary attacking outlet and some runs from deep. Also with the DLP sitting deeper you'll actually have someone sitting deep to recycle possession. You don't need every single player to run into the box.

Perhaps also consider switching to a split block to keep your defensive stability while still putting pressure on your opposition with your front players.

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36 minutes ago, Freakiie said:

Well, my advice remains the same to be honest. You play way too attacking in my opinion. I'd change the DLP(S) to a defend duty so he actually holds position, take Cengiz down a notch (Even an IF(S) has an attacking mentality this FM), Brandt, he has the "looks for pass rather than score" PPM, not sure how you see a goal scoring IF in him? I'd try him as an IW(S) so you actually have another creator. Then you'd have Alcázer as your main goal threat, Cengiz as a secondary attacking outlet and some runs from deep. Also with the DLP sitting deeper you'll actually have someone sitting deep to recycle possession. You don't need every single player to run into the box.

Perhaps also consider switching to a split block to keep your defensive stability while still putting pressure on your opposition with your front players.

I'will give it try ! Thanks for ur advice 

I removed the ppm "Looks for pass rather than shoot" from brandt so he can be a better IF A but it seems like it is not working well ..

Let’s see how it works and I will response to your advice after a few games 

1 Question : should I stick with balanced or better playing with positive ? 

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5 hours ago, VinSulti said:

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Before I give you some more specific suggestions, I want to ask you - how are you faring defensively? Do you concede goals on the counter and/or via long balls over the top of your defense?

I am asking this because of the combo of the higher D-line and more urgent pressing you are using at the same time.

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8 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

Before I give you some more specific suggestions, I want to ask you - how are you faring defensively? Do you concede goals on the counter and/or via long balls over the top of your defense?

I am asking this because of the combo of the higher D-line and more urgent pressing you are using at the same time.

I would say yes, but it is really a mix. Sometimes it is a counter play and /with balls over the top, sometimes it is an individual mistake by Hummels ( which happens really often in the last few games) and then there are possession plays By the enemy. Making 20-30 passes and then scoring the goal, lust but not least quite often after the corner taken.

I didn’t concede much to be honest, the highest loss was the 3-0 loss against Leverkusen, but as I said it is a mix of all  

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8 hours ago, VinSulti said:

I would say yes, but it is really a mix. Sometimes it is a counter play and /with balls over the top, sometimes it is an individual mistake by Hummels ( which happens really often in the last few games) and then there are possession plays By the enemy. Making 20-30 passes and then scoring the goal, lust but not least quite often after the corner taken.

I didn’t concede much to be honest, the highest loss was the 3-0 loss against Leverkusen, but as I said it is a mix of all  

Okay then. Here are some initial suggestions/ideas for you to consider:

- if you want to play a PF on attack duty, then having a winger on attack makes more sense than IF on attack

- if you still want to keep the IF on attack and have the striker also on attack duty, then DLF on attack should work better than PF in that particular case

Therefore, when it comes to the front 3, go with either this combo:

PFat

IW/IFsu                              Wat

Or this:

DLFat

W/IWsu                               IFat

In the midfield, the mezzala on attack duty in MCL position makes sense in both cases, so that's okay (assuming you have a suitable player for the role) :thup:

But If you want to use a BBM as the other CM, then your DM should be a bit more conservative IMHO. I would change his duty into defend (instead of support). Because neither of your CMs is played in a holding or covering role.

Like this:

MEZat       BBM

DLPde

There are more potential tweaks I would propose to you, but let's go step by step. Try these changes first and see what happens. If it works as you want - great. If not, then report back and I'll tell you what else you can/should do to improve the tactic :thup:

 

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7 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

Okay then. Here are some initial suggestions/ideas for you to consider:

- if you want to play a PF on attack duty, then having a winger on attack makes more sense than IF on attack

- if you still want to keep the IF on attack and have the striker also on attack duty, then DLF on attack should work better than PF in that particular case

Therefore, when it comes to the front 3, go with either this combo:

PFat

IW/IFsu                              Wat

Or this:

DLFat

W/IWsu                               IFat

In the midfield, the mezzala on attack duty in MCL position makes sense in both cases, so that's okay (assuming you have a suitable player for the role) :thup:

But If you want to use a BBM as the other CM, then your DM should be a bit more conservative IMHO. I would change his duty into defend (instead of support). Because neither of your CMs is played in a holding or covering role.

Like this:

MEZat       BBM

DLPde

There are more potential tweaks I would propose to you, but let's go step by step. Try these changes first and see what happens. If it works as you want - great. If not, then report back and I'll tell you what else you can/should do to improve the tactic :thup:

 

Thank you, I'll go for it too and Report u back ! :)

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