mcgaffer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Loving this tactic set Mr Hoo, didn't even think it was possible to play this well on this M.E. Just one question, when Chelsea or some 3 at the back teams go to a 3421 when they need goals and the full backs are pushed up to wide midfielders and 2 behind the striker as SS or Am etc.. How do you then set up to counter this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 19 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: Loving this tactic set Mr Hoo, didn't even think it was possible to play this well on this M.E. Just one question, when Chelsea or some 3 at the back teams go to a 3421 when they need goals and the full backs are pushed up to wide midfielders and 2 behind the striker as SS or Am etc.. How do you then set up to counter this? dont press and mark no. 17/6/16，increase your WB's press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 in fact i have changed SKs to SKd and limit the pass range of SK WB CD DM CMa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealmason1986 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Is it possible to swap the F9 for another attacking role? I have just started with Man Utd and don't really want to waste Lukaku. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 小時前, Nealmason1986說: Is it possible to swap the F9 for another attacking role? I have just started with Man Utd and don't really want to waste Lukaku. Thanks i think a F9 is much better than DLFs in this tactic. mourinho should change his 4231 to 433 to improve MU' performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealmason1986 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Kurt Hoo said: i think a F9 is much better than DLFs in this tactic. mourinho should change his 4231 to 433 to improve MU' performance. Thanks. I love the look of this tactic but I cant see how Lukaku can fit in and quality F9 are few and far between? Would the next best option be a DLF? have you any recommendations to some tweeks to still get lukaku into the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 11:58, Kurt Hoo said: in fact i have changed SKs to SKd and limit the pass range of SK WB CD DM CMa. Have you updated all the tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 18 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: Have you updated all the tactics? nope im lazy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 19 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: Have you updated all the tactics? ill update in this weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 一小時前, Nealmason1986說: Thanks. I love the look of this tactic but I cant see how Lukaku can fit in and quality F9 are few and far between? Would the next best option be a DLF? have you any recommendations to some tweeks to still get lukaku into the team? lukaku is very suitble to 4231 but pogba is suitble to CMa of 433...its a paradox.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 11/01/2018 at 09:27, Kurt Hoo said: remove F9 and dont press opposition's keeper and central defenders in OI. and drag back the the advanced guy to defend in freekick and corner kick. Interesting take. Thanks for the reply. Still works great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 11/01/2018 at 11:58, Kurt Hoo said: in fact i have changed SKs to SKd and limit the pass range of SK WB CD DM CMa. What reasons for these changes. Always interested to know thoughts behind tweaking a successful tactic. Does shorter passing for these people make it more clinical or safer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 小時前, loisvale說: What reasons for these changes. Always interested to know thoughts behind tweaking a successful tactic. Does shorter passing for these people make it more clinical or safer? maybe its a wrong move....the low possession ratio really troubles me. i spend the whole weekend to improve it but get nothing whats your possession and pass ratio？ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 15/01/2018 at 01:44, Kurt Hoo said: maybe its a wrong move....the low possession ratio really troubles me. i spend the whole weekend to improve it but get nothing whats your possession and pass ratio？ Have to say I’m very happy with the numbers. Most of the time my possession is in high 50s or early 60s and pass completion in the 80s. I don’t see anything needing changed there. This has been consistent with a number of teams across a long career save. The real weakness if there is one is being caught over the top with the high line and attacking wing backs. In tougher games I might look to either have the wing backs on support or back in full back position as attacking wing backs. They should still attack from there but be in a better position when defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 小時前, loisvale說: Have to say I’m very happy with the numbers. Most of the time my possession is in high 50s or early 60s and pass completion in the 80s. I don’t see anything needing changed there. This has been consistent with a number of teams across a long career save. The real weakness if there is one is being caught over the top with the high line and attacking wing backs. In tougher games I might look to either have the wing backs on support or back in full back position as attacking wing backs. They should still attack from there but be in a better position when defending. i have drag back my WB in my own save. l'll release the updated version in the following days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
campos08 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I have a feeling that latest hotfix made a tactics worse defensively. Do you guys noticed the same ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 25 分鐘前, campos08說: I have a feeling that latest hotfix made a tactics worse defensively. Do you guys noticed the same ? drag back WB to normal position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
campos08 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Kurt Hoo said: drag back WB to normal position ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyg7 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 First of all, great tactic, works wonders. Only problem is, Chelsea... they use the 3-2-2-2-1 formation, any tips? I put the OI as you say to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, dannyg7 said: First of all, great tactic, works wonders. Only problem is, Chelsea... they use the 3-2-2-2-1 formation, any tips? I put the OI as you say to. I was barca vs Chelsea and I played balanced away and control until half time then attack at home and ticked tight marking on Luiz or whoever is the central defender and Fabregas or whoever was the main playmaker, I also set my IF to man mark the R+l WB'S. Never lost in 4 meetings although having messi helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Hey Kurt, I'v also changed ATT Free kicks to have the WB's and DM to always stay back as I was getting killed by the counter attack from my own free kicks since the patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 小時前, dannyg7說: First of all, great tactic, works wonders. Only problem is, Chelsea... they use the 3-2-2-2-1 formation, any tips? I put the OI as you say to. one single forward and two wingers or two advanced attacking midfielder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyg7 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Kurt Hoo said: one single forward and two wingers or two advanced attacking midfielder? 2 wingers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 小時前, mcgaffer說: Hey Kurt, I'v also changed ATT Free kicks to have the WB's and DM to always stay back as I was getting killed by the counter attack from my own free kicks since the patch. i have no idea actually... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 一小時前, dannyg7說: 2 wingers try to show onto LWB's right foot& RWB's left foot& LCD's right foot& RCD's left foot, and dont press& mark middle CD in OI.... good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 小時前, mcgaffer說: Hey Kurt, I'v also changed ATT Free kicks to have the WB's and DM to always stay back as I was getting killed by the counter attack from my own free kicks since the patch. remove the man beside the taker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Have you posted new tactics or will we do them ourselves? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 13 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: Have you posted new tactics or will we do them ourselves? new tactics with some little changes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 14 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: Have you posted new tactics or will we do them ourselves? but i dont change freekick settings.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Just now, Kurt Hoo said: but i dont change freekick settings.... No problem, I've been doing my own for years. Have you tested much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 15 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: No problem, I've been doing my own for years. Have you tested much? test what? the new tactics? draging back the wingbacks is a smart move according to my tests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I'm getting some terrible performances from my full backs though and defenders in general are making loads of mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: I'm getting some terrible performances from my full backs though and defenders in general are making loads of mistakes. with the new tatics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 No I just done what you said with the old ones, have updated now and admittedly I'v made too many signings. Going to start a new long term career now and see where how far I can go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: No I just done what you said with the old ones, have updated now and admittedly I'v made too many signings. Going to start a new long term career now and see where how far I can go. ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyg7 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Kurt Hoo said: with the new tatics? Dropping the wing backs has worked absolute wonders. you are the GOAT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kurt Hoo Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 9 小時前, dannyg7說: Dropping the wing backs has worked absolute wonders. you are the GOAT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 9 小時前, dannyg7說: Dropping the wing backs has worked absolute wonders. you are the GOAT but the CMa' performance still troubles me, his pass ratio is low though i have limited his pass range, and he likes shoot... i dont know if i should minus 1 to his close down coz it seems he lost his defend position sometomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 22 小時前, dannyg7說: Dropping the wing backs has worked absolute wonders. you are the GOAT it seems like the WB should be push up if u r using a HB, or the HB wont drop so deep to help your centerbacks.. for example, when u face a 3232... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 03:14, Kurt Hoo said: but the CMa' performance still troubles me, his pass ratio is low though i have limited his pass range, and he likes shoot... i dont know if i should minus 1 to his close down coz it seems he lost his defend position sometomes. The CMa is doing way better now with that little tweak, mine has gone from averaging 6.9 to 8.2. Great Shout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 15 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: The CMa is doing way better now with that little tweak, mine has gone from averaging 6.9 to 8.2. Great Shout i have to rewrite the tweak part due to the change of wingback... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Dribble less makes this tactic unbelieavable, I;m unbeaten all season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 小時前, mcgaffer說: Dribble less makes this tactic unbelieavable, I;m unbeaten all season what dribble less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just ticking dribble less in the team instructions, moves the ball around faster and doesn't waste possession. 9 hours ago, Kurt Hoo said: what dribble less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
campos08 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, mcgaffer said: Just ticking dribble less in the team instructions, moves the ball around faster and doesn't waste possession. Do you mean to remove it with the new tactics set? the old ones working better for me tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 小時前, mcgaffer說: Just ticking dribble less in the team instructions, moves the ball around faster and doesn't waste possession. really? i ticked it coz in FM15 my player who dribbles are tackled for 50 times in 1 game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgaffer Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Only 1 loss all season and that was the first game of the season vs Real Madrid in the Super Cup. Unbeaten in the League, FA Cup, League Cup and Champions League What a Tactic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 29 分鐘前, mcgaffer說: Only 1 loss all season and that was the first game of the season vs Real Madrid in the Super Cup. Unbeaten in the League, FA Cup, League Cup and Champions League What a Tactic... what a player! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Hoo Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 在 2018/1/20 在 PM6点57分, dannyg7說: 2 wingers i've updated the tactic and rewrite the tweak part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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