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@VinceLombardi Are you still developing your playbook? I’m still using it and enjoying experimenting with various things. Still works great. Haven’t heard from you in a while.

This was an enlightening read and contains some solid principles I will try to incorporate into my own tactics. It is especially interesting the positive effect small changes to roles and duties can have. I am always interested in examples of this. What I find difficult at times is to fully understand the effects the TIs can have under the hood on the match engine. For example I am not sure that I have always appreciated that tempo has an effect on passing and wbib and pood also can have an effect on each other. Thus I’m not sure even having read your thread whether I still fully understand the effects. Is there a source that explains the effects of TIs in greater detail than contained in the game to further understand this?

Interesting. I have experienced this kind of thing many times in the season with Liverpool on the journeyman save. What you have described above works well. The team has a great deal of pace and skill and given we have won 23 games drawn 2 and lost only one in the league I am coming up a against a lot of parked buses home and away. I almost exclusively use 34 formation away from home and the nickle at home. My experience of dealing with matches is mostly based around decisions taken on TIs and using the base formations. If really trying to force things then really attacking space on the left or the right along with tempo changes (no huddle) or changing to two strikers is very effective. If the opposition is backing off control TI works very well. The cover TI and base formations is very solid when protecting what you have or taking on difficult matches. Beat Man City away doing this and they are very strong in my save which is now in 2024.Pep still there and have won EPL last four years. in game shouts of demand more and get creative have an effect. Finally attention to player traits and getting the right personnel for the positions is critical. Football is great and this team is having great success but keeping Man City at bay is challenging in this save as despite the run of wins I am only 4 points ahead.Hopefully on track to end Liverpool’s long wait to win title in my first season. All in all the system is brilliant has lots of variety and is great fun to use and experiment with. Love it. Congratulations -many people would get a lot of enjoyment using it . I know sharing has helped you sort it out in your own head but very glad you did!

Thanks to all for the replies. Helpful stuff and agree with all the points.

Thanks for the response. I am just going by the player instruction screen that has a warning triangle next to my player instruction “more direct passes” that says “instruction affected by player trait” and then indentifies Dictates Tempo as the culprit. Didn’t see it as a problem myself but this would say otherwise. Thanks for the other advice

Hope this is the right forum for this as I am very happy with the tactics I am using and what I am trying to do. However I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction to find out a source where the full list of player traits and more importantly the effect they have on certain player instructions can be found. I know exactly what I want each of my players to do but don’t always appreciate the effect a player trait can have. This can be frustrating when you buy a player and then find from the tactic screen that they have a trait that conflicts with the PIs I have set. I then have to try and get him to unlearn it which is not always easy. I appreciate that in most cases this is obvious but I have been caught out a few times and would like to make sure I avoid this issue. One example is that I on occasion play with a dlp on defend duty with more direct passing and mark tighter in addition to the defaults of the position. This works well for me but only discovered that dictates tempo conflicts with direct passing after buying the player. When I think about it maybe it’s obvious but didn’t seem so at the time, When choosing PIs I want the player to do the PIs I have set more often than not and thus would also like to understand the traits that encourage certain PIs. Understand that a definitive source may not be available but thought I would ask anyway. If not will keep trying to use common sense which for the most part works!

How much affect do player traits have on PIs? Does it mean they ignore instructions? Tactic is working very well with Liverpool on journeyman save and leading league after 16 games with only one loss. However very difficult to find a dlp that doesn’t have contrary traits. Fabinho should be perfect but his traits of plays one twos, knocks ball past opponent and gets into opposition area all conflict with what I want him to do. That is a lot of coaching of a 30 year old to reverse and now play him as a box to box instead. All my first ream defenders have some issue or other with their traits but can be coached. Basically how much attention to traits should be paid?

How much affect do player traits have on PIs? Does it mean they ignore instructions? Tactic is working very well with Liverpool on journeyman save and leading league after 16 games with only one loss. However very difficult to find a dlp that doesn’t have contrary traits. Fabinho should be perfect but his traits of plays one twos, knocks ball past opponent and gets into opposition area all conflict with what I want him to do. That is a lot of coaching of a 30 year old to reverse and now play him as a box to box instead. All my first ream defenders have some issue or other with their traits but can be coached. Basically how much attention to traits should be paid?

Agreed. Thanks for the response.

Ok completed first season with this system on journey man season with Dortmund. 3rd place 5 points behind Schalke. 21 wins 7 draws and 6 losses. Didn’t lose at home all season. Both 34 and Nickle are really strong at home. Nees to work on away strategy especially against the big boys. Think it is mainly down to poor choices I make. Will be trying the cover TI much more to focus the defence and carefully pick the plays. Overall really enjoy this system. Have just moved to Liverpool as Tuchel skipped over to Barcelona. Very surprised to get the job as reputation lower than the other candidates but maybe as it is listed as my favourite club and I said what they wanted to hear! anyway am now where I wanted to be since starting the save and will not move again. @Vince Lombardi do you have a particular thought process when away from home and tips/suggestions? Really enjoying it and the football is tremendous.

@Vince Lombardi out of interest what packages, formations and plays do you have the most faith in at present. I feel the Base 34, base Nickel and the inside blitz for both work the best at the moment. Top German sides away from home are very difficult at the moment and having to work very hard to get points off them. As it should be.

Thanks for the reply. Helpful info as always.

Great read and thanks for sharing. Much to take in! Have been trying the 34 for a few weeks now and a big fan and it works well. The difficult bit is now working out when to use the right packages, formations, plays etc. There are so many options! Think I will concentrate on 34 and Nickel and get to know them first before delving any deeper. Maybe also use the Dime package against the many 442s you get in Germany. Do you give the Libero any PIs? Brilliant post.

Further to the other comments on this I can confirm the combination of loe and def line in this system is very effective and my current team is proving very hard work to score against. Only played 13 games which does included friendlies. Only given up 4 goals so far and scored 42! Also 11 wins, one draw and one loss. With defenders with pace and good mentals and hard working midfielders this loe and def line combination is very effective. No complaints at all but the team I currently have is very good but also has 9 new recruits to settle in. It seems effective to slightly change the formation in match to drag opponent in different directions and having pace and good dribblers with defensive traits out wide can be devastating. Love this set up and experimenting is an enjoyable experience.

I would agree. This works great in the current match engine. Have begun using the system at beginning of new season at Dortmund in my journeyman save having progressed through various jobs successfully with my own tactics. Early days at the moment but early observations; The football is great and space creation is a real plus. The balanced TI and base formation works very well and in my view can be used for more than 5 mins. I have had big wins without changing this formation or TIs. In any case it is a great set up to probe the opposition and establish patterns of play. With the right personnel the inverted wingers can be devastating. The CDs again if the right type work really well with the low line of engagement. I could certainly be better at choosing the right plays at the right time. As I say early days but the system is working brilliantly and results are great so far. Kudos to @Vince Lombardi this system and the thinking behind it is so refreshing to see and has completely reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the game and how I like to play it.