mark182lfc Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 **V5 of the Tactic is here Download - see posts for more information ** Download V4 Inspirational man that inspired this tactic I wanted to make a formation that keeps a lot of the ball and has an advanced playmaker due to my love of Jari Litmanen. I have been tweaking this tactic for a season and a half. Here are some screen shots :- Formation Form Most games I have about 55 – 60% possession. Against weaker teams it’s about 65% + Possession Have a look at my advanced playmakers key passes Key passes More stats I have only tested this with my Coventry team. General training – Attacking Match Training – Att Movement Weekly training I usually rotate between defending, attacking and tactics. Depending on who I am playing. In preseason it’s fitness, tactics and team cohesion. Your advanced playmaker will boss the game and your wingbacks will bomb forward and drill crosses in for fun. Your target man will hold up the ball score goals and bring others into play. Your two centre midfielders will stay in position when you don’t have the ball making it harder to break down the team. Here’s the Link here Let me know what you think – cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 Ah it wont let me upload my screenshots :confused: “Says I do not have permission to access this page” I will upload screenshots to imageshack now. I have now linked in some screenshots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilmalm Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Hi, looks really interesting! Will try it out with Leicester first season. Do you change anything away from home etc? cheers Edit: Could you upload a SS of the training during season? Dont really get what you mean?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 Hi, looks really interesting! Will try it out with Leicester first season. Do you change anything away from home etc? cheers Edit: Could you upload a SS of the training during season? Dont really get what you mean?! No, same home and away. You know under team training and you can pick week by week training, each week I have a different specialism (I don’t leave it at general) so depending on who I am playing it will be one of the following defending, attacking and tactics. I’m not home at moment so cannot post any screenshots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 End of second season here Ended on 95 points after 46 games with a +46 goal diff. Will post some more screen shots soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 Anyone with any feedback? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescefesso Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Will go to try with fiorentina. Did u use op instruction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 Will go to try with fiorentina. Did u use op instruction? No not at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescefesso Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Try it for few games..not bad.. The routine of defensive set pieces not working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 Change your training prep to defend set pieces for afew weeks and that'll fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 First 5 games in the championship and we are 2nd. I am working on the defensive side of the tactic at the moment. I would have general training set at defending and match training set at Def. positioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilmalm Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 First 5 games in the championship and we are 2nd. I am working on the defensive side of the tactic at the moment. I would have general training set at defending and match training set at Def. positioning. Nice! How would you settled with Coventry first season?! Must be a huge challenge since you cannot sign players or even extend the contracts with the current players cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Nice! How would you settled with Coventry first season?! Must be a huge challenge since you cannot sign players or even extend the contracts with the current players cheers I started unemployed in first season and got offered an interview at Coventry end of November. When I took over they were 24th on 10 points after 19 games (they started with minus 10 points) They had a squad of 14 players, I managed to sign Jari Litmanen, Matthew Bates and Sylvan Ebanks-Blake all on free transfers . I messed around with a lot of different tactics and found that having 3 centre backs so good at the back but found the opposition wingers kept cutting in, wingbacks solved that and they also offered a threat going forward. Ever since then I have been slowly tweaking it until I was reasonably happy with it. It's still a work in progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Information behind the tactic - I wanted to make a formation/tactic that was well organised and kept the ball. My way of thinking was if I have the loins share of possession then the other team cannot score if they do not have the ball. I did not want all my team attacking up the other end of pitch and leave me open to a counter attack or long ball over the top. This tactic is a balance between calculated risks VS odds. I will explain more below :- GK :- key roles in the team - Stop the ball going in the net. distribute the ball short (ball out of defence) This is a risk as the opposing team can intercept the ball on the edge of the area but if he just kicks it long then more often than not the opposing team wins the battle for the ball and we have lost possession. So risk VS odds. I have gone with risk and play it short from GK CB's x 3 :- Same as above but their job is to win the ball and then play it to a teammate who is more creative. their job is to stay in position win the ball and play it short. They will only go forward for corners Wingbacks x 2 :- These two have a very important job. When we have the ball they support the attack offering an outlet (pass into space) when we don't have the ball their job is to win it back as soon as possible and side wide not allowing opposing teams wingers any space or time on the ball. Centre Midfielders x 2 :- one is set to Deep laying playmaker. His job is to sit there and collect the ball from the defence (The link between the two) then he now has multiple options available to him. He can see the wingbacks bombing forward running into space or he again can play it short to the other Centre midfielder to choose to play it up field. without the ball he will stay in position. The other centre midfielders job is to win the ball but not chase all over the field for it, again stay in position making it harder to break down. Advanced playmaker :- His job is nit everything together, get the ball and only think about laying on others for clear cut chances. He will stick to his position at all times and always be available for the ball. He will boss the game. CF - target man :- Main job is to win the ball, shoot or lay a team mate off. He will sit quite deep. CF - advanced forward - His job is to feed off the playmaker and target man but unlike a poacher he must also provide when the time arises. *Team Instructions* Team Philosophy With the ball - look for a short pass at a slow tempo and keep possession and wait for the right time to shoot or pass. This looks at having a 5x5 system. eg 5 people attacking and 5 defending but all doing this balanced. Without the ball - The team always keep a solid shape and be hard to break down. always win the ball back as quick as possible and hassle opposing players to win the ball back. Now we play the odds game. The odds are if you have the ball the opposing team cannot score. Odds are if you are putting the ball in the opposing teams box you will score but we do not want to be aimlessly pumping into the box. I will add more details later about the tactic. This is just a quick overview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Now some more information about my attacking triangle 3 players CF - Target Man stats after first 5 games 3 goals one assist and 1 POM. He has also had 9 key passes in 5 games CF - advanced forward stats after first 5 games 3 goals 2 assists and 5 key passed in 5 games Advanced player maker between two players they have 2 goals 3 assists and 14 key passes The above shows that all 3 positions are working well together and interacting in different phases of play. Later on I will post about my centre midfielders & wingbacks and how they are involved in play. Then if anyone is following the posts I will post about my defence and how I am tightening it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 Centre Midfielders and wingbacks Centre Midfielder (Deep laying playmaker) He is set to support, his job is to link defence to attack. The defence will pass him the ball and he should always have 3 options open to him. The wingback running into space, his midfield partner or the advanced playmaker. His job is to be the first phase of the attack. Set the foundations. I will post a screenshot of the passes my DLP On average he's about 80 passes with a 90% success rate (I'm assuming if I had a better player ( Xabi Alonso) type player the stats with be even better) Centre Midfielder (Box to box) He is also set to support as we are looking for a 5x5 system. 5 attacking players and 5 more defensive minded players. The box to box midfielders job is to make late runs into the box but he is also has a lot of player instructions set for a ball winning midfielder as I want him to stay in position when my team does not have the ball and win it back as quick as possible. He needs to be a fit and strong player and also able to pass a ball and get on the end of things. I will post a screenshot of his stats later He's all about the miles, tackles and shots most games its close between him and my wingbacks who does the most miles in a game. Wing backs Are set to attack, I want them running into space and pinning back the opposing teams full backs. their job is to get the ball, run and look for the correct option, a short pass or cross into the box. They even chip in with a few goals. When we don't have the ball they drop back and stay tight to the opposing wingers and hassle them for the ball offering my 3 centre backs wider protection. I will post some screenshots of them later. These two boys are about miles, tackles and key passes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 Anyone tried the tactic and got any feedback where it's going wrong or right for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 hi, tried this with blackburn save and won championship, Jordan Rhodes was scoring for fun in targetman position but i could not get whoever i played in advanced forward position to score very often, i was wondering if you could recommend a few good strikers who could play there ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 hi, tried this with blackburn save and won championship, Jordan Rhodes was scoring for fun in targetman position but i could not get whoever i played in advanced forward position to score very often, i was wondering if you could recommend a few good strikers who could play there ? Who did you use and did they chip in with many assists? Good stuff you won the league, not sure about the choice of team as I’m from Burnley! Ha. These are the key stats you need for the advanced forward for the tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 haha, i was using Carlos Fierro mostly, he went 30 hours of football without a goal! he didnt have too many assist either no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 other than that its a good tactic, playmaker and wing backs all played really well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 other than that its a good tactic, playmaker and wing backs all played really well Good Good, how are you getting on in the prem with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 fairly well, i am in 8th atm, highlight of season so far was beating Swansea 8-1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 fairly well, i am in 8th atm, highlight of season so far was beating Swansea 8-1! HA! nice one, did you sort your advanced forward issue out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 i decided to buy Mitrovic and use him as targetman, then put J Rhodes in af position, i have only played a couple of games since then but hopefully it will work well, do you have plans to make anymore tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 i decided to buy Mitrovic and use him as targetman, then put J Rhodes in af position, i have only played a couple of games since then but hopefully it will work well, do you have plans to make anymore tactics? Good stuff. How are you finding the tactic defensively? and do you score many from corners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 Quick update after 12 games and sitting 2nd only defeat from Wolves. Scoring plenty just adjusting the defence at the moment. I will next post at end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This tactic seems good, the amount of attacks and shots alot but sometimes doesn't score as much, opposition defence seems to block alot and shots fail quite abit too, however possession is high. I can get alot of shots but end up with low 0 to 2 goals while opposition just need a chance to score, often a lop or long shot off counter attack. how to have more goals from the shots to be more realistic with the amount of tries. also mark, you support lfc? whose suitable as targetman, or is that position virtal or can change to another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 This tactic seems good, the amount of attacks and shots alot but sometimes doesn't score as much, opposition defence seems to block alot and shots fail quite abit too, however possession is high.I can get alot of shots but end up with low 0 to 2 goals while opposition just need a chance to score, often a lop or long shot off counter attack. how to have more goals from the shots to be more realistic with the amount of tries. also mark, you support lfc? whose suitable as targetman, or is that position virtal or can change to another. Thanks for trying it and the feedback Who are you managing? I think the target man is key but I'm changing the advanced forward part. Are you having alot of long shots? How are you doing with attacking corners? I think I have sorted the defense part out. will release a new tactic this weekend. Do you have match prep set to def set pieces? Yeah, I'm a Liverpool fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orionas Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 great tactic so far my friend mark ..i've tried a few tactics uploaded in this site but i honestly believe that yours is the best up to now..i'm managing liverpool(it's my favourite team of course). Now i'm at the second season with the team and the tactic working brilliant(i've tried it at the middle of the first season helped me won the premiership and the capital one cup).I have to say that the most important thing especially this year in FM for any team is to be familiar with the tactic you choose.After that everything goes according to the plan. Coutinho is brilliant as advanced playmaker and Luis,Daniel score a lot.Also Steven is a monster at the middle Nice work keep it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Ah nice one it's working for you. Glad you're bossing it with Liverpool! Yeah, tactic really comes into its own when fully fluent. It's all based around your advanced playmaker bossing it. How are you doing with attacking corners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Thanks for trying it and the feedbackWho are you managing? I think the target man is key but I'm changing the advanced forward part. Are you having alot of long shots? How are you doing with attacking corners? I think I have sorted the defense part out. will release a new tactic this weekend. Do you have match prep set to def set pieces? Yeah, I'm a Liverpool fan. I used your tactic with Liverpool for a while when i was in 3rd seaon before deciding to start a new game because i couldnt find some german national team players due to the fake inc. I mostly manage LFC in my games and another LLM team as time progress. Yes having many shots when they drive in into the penalty area and often gets blocked or shoots directly. I am sure there would be more goals if the striker could have done more, dribbling or rounding keeper. Corners wise, seems majority of the goals comes from either the attacking farpost player/dc or a header from there to an open player to get his shot in. Normally once tactic is fluid, i set to defensive position, have yet to try def set pieces. I think Stevie does fine on the amc or mcl slot, normally i have lucas or hendie on mcr, hendie seems to do well on mcr, allen rotates. When the strikers click, you get the goals, when they blunder themselves its that one or two goals out of tons of shots that counts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 great tactic so far my friend mark ..i've tried a few tactics uploaded in this site but i honestly believe that yours is the best up to now..i'm managing liverpool(it's my favourite team of course).Now i'm at the second season with the team and the tactic working brilliant(i've tried it at the middle of the first season helped me won the premiership and the capital one cup).I have to say that the most important thing especially this year in FM for any team is to be familiar with the tactic you choose.After that everything goes according to the plan. Coutinho is brilliant as advanced playmaker and Luis,Daniel score a lot.Also Steven is a monster at the middle Nice work keep it up Who do you play as targetman? we dont really have a good tall jumper for STL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Who do you play as targetman? we dont really have a good tall jumper for STL Try swopping target man for Complete forward and see how you get on? how and where do you play Luis Suarez? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Do you let your Assistant coach set pre-match instructions on opposition players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Try swopping target man for Complete forward and see how you get on? how and where do you play Luis Suarez? I play suarez on STL or AMC and his form is on and off, banging in 1 or two when good but needs to be sub half the time with 7 or less ratings. I didnt really check, do you have any specific instructions that would affect me changing targetman to other roles for stl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm gonna sign a few young targetman and put them on STL specifically. Already landed Alberto Cerri. Bidding for Ezequiel Rescaldini, Ronny Rondelin, Richairo Zickovic these players can play on STR too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm gonna sign a few young targetman and put them on STL specifically.Already landed Alberto Cerri. Bidding for Ezequiel Rescaldini, Ronny Rondelin, Richairo Zickovic these players can play on STR too Nice one, let me know how you get on mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Some games your just unlucky! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 I am half way through the season. I have been tweaking away and think I have solved the main two issues that have been bugging me with the tactic. One the advanced forward blowing hot and cold and the defensive side with the other team countering or long ball over the top leading to a clear cut chance for the other team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I am half way through the season. I have been tweaking away and think I have solved the main two issues that have been bugging me with the tactic. One the advanced forward blowing hot and cold and the defensive side with the other team countering or long ball over the top leading to a clear cut chance for the other team:-Starting with GK – changed him to sweeper keeper. Two centre half’s set to stoppers One centre half set to cover Wing backs remain the same Box to box told to shoot less often Deep laying play makers is the same Advanced playmaker the same Target man changed to Complete Forward and he now “shoot more often” “More direct passes” and “hold position” Advanced forward changed to Poacher with “shoot more often” and “move into channels” Now my triangle top 3 are all playing really well together. I will try to finish the season this weekend and make sure I’m happy to release the tactic. Ok cool, anticipating the new updated tactic with improved roles. The two problems bugging you are also bugging me. Also I am wondering if the MCL being deep lying playmaker can be improved upon to ensure better ratings and play from the player playing on this position with some minor changes. Often but not, somehow on certain forage and attacks up, I see movements into the right side outside penalty box (more often) and left with clear chance to through ball or putting a pass into the box where players are in or running in but I see the player there passing back a long pass to dc. Not sure if you observed this but I think I got a bit frustrated seeing it happens, maybe it’s just me lol On some away games, it’s still rather frustrating not scoring or hardly scoring with the amount of efforts and shots, quite a few unlucky games sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Yeah, i think i will be changing deep laying playmaker role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orionas Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 if i want to find something less effective in the tactic is the attacking corners...i score a little..i have my best header at the second post but the effeciency is poor...i suggest you to change something there.Generally the tactic is perfect for the away games than the home games in my opinion.I have some strange draws when i played at home but this is football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orionas Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 i know this is a problem with the attacking players in liverpool...neither luis nor daniel are tall attackers..don't expect to score with a header from both of them I have Valdano as director of football and he brought me Vydra at the beginning of the second season..so now i'm under experiments with him as STL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 I have made some changes and I am happy to release the tactic. I will post a little screenshot. I have won the last 5 games in a row and played some big teams. Both my forwards are scoring more and the defence is tighter. I have changed afew roles. I will post some more information later. Link for it is here download Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orionas Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 did you change anything at the attacking corners in the tweaked version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 did you change anything at the attacking corners in the tweaked version? No not at the moment. Still working on that to be honest. I found with the changed roles of some players I'm scoring more corners? I don't understand it. I scored 2 in 10 games then when I changed a few things over I've scored 3 in last 5 games. Maybe a coincidence I don't know. I will keep testing anyhow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orionas Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 ok i'll try it also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark182lfc Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 V5 should look like this You will notice I have changed a few roles of some players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Yet to switch to v5, while v4 is 1 to 2 notches to totally fluid. got my best result to date and it's sweeter against the blues Uploaded with ImageShack.us"] Uploaded with ImageShack.us[/url] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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