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  1. Sorry for the late reply I've been quite busy with family and wanted to try out some new tactical ideas. I've not considered strikerless because I had my heart set on having Allen as a lone forward. I was hoping Allen's off the ball movement (16) would help create space for the Treq/IF and CMa by him drifting wide. Also his comes deep and holding up the ball - Strength (18) I wanted him to draw away central defenders providing space for the Treq and CMa to attack the box. Allen also has really good physicals so I saw him as the type of striker who would be able to be a goal threat on his own. So for me I'd like to have Allen play as a CFa if I can make it work, but at the moment he struggles only chipping in a goal every 2-3 apps and assists are even lower. Allen as a Treq is also something I never thought about, to me I wouldn't have thought he could play there because of his low Dribbling (12), Technique (12), Composure (13) and low Flair (11). Barry on the other hand has 14+ in almost all of the areas suggested for the Treq role so surely he would be a better fit? I'm not trying to sound unappreciative but you're suggesting making wholesale changes to my tactic but I'd like to understand why I'm making these changes and why my current settings don't work how I envisioned it. I have no issue switching to a DLPd or a CAR but why is it bad that that I have a BWMd there I thought that role would provide a bit of defensive stability to my right flank whilst also helping with my counter-press game? I understand WBa and overlap is really aggressive so that is definitely something I can tone down. I chose the overlap shout because I wanted the overlap to happen more frequently but perhaps it's not needed, I also thought that by using it, the Treq would hold up the ball allowing more of my players to get forward such as the DLPs, FBs and WBa all coming forward because the Treq is controlling the game. You make a point about the Mezz on the left, would this guy need to be left footed? I'm playing FM19 currently Why is it bad to have two creative roaming players close to each other? How does it water down their attacking bite? I started managing Liverpool after they had just been promoted from the Championship, I've been there a couple seasons now and we're predicted to finish 9th, we're doing okay but I'm not really satisfied because I like to greatly overachieve which I know is difficult because there are 6-7 teams with better players than us. I've also set myself some restrictions in regards to player selection as I've been trying to build a fully English team which means only signing English talent and slowly reducing my use of foreign players. I opted for the distribute to full backs because I kept seeing teams high press my defence and I thought that it would be a good option to use to prevent my central defenders from losing the ball in risky areas. Even when distributing to my DLP the pressing of the opposition makes me nervous because my central defenders aren't really good with their passing and composure. I selected the play out of defence shout in order to draw the opposition in a bit to create some space and to stop my central defenders from hoofing the ball which was happening more frequently than I liked. Against weaker teams I imagined us using the high press to our advantage by dispossessing them at their end of the goal and quickly countering from that, this was my reasoning for having counter selected. Thank you again for your replies sorry it took me so long to get back to you hopefully you guys can shed some light on the points I have raised.
  2. I'd love it if you could give me some more detailed feedback on where it's flawed, I'm not great at spotting these kinds of things. How can I improve the first tactic? The second tactic was built as a plan B because my first wasn't consistently successful so I have no issue focusing on the first tactic.
  3. Hi I'm looking for some critique for my two variations of the 41221. The first one Is supposed to be a controlling front foot kind of tactic, built around trying to get the most out of my player Barry. Mostly used when I play at home or when I'm strong favourites. The second tactic I've made is designed to try and sit back and counter into space which I use less frequently, usually against strong teams or playing away. Is there anything that stands out as really bad for these tactics, I'd love to hear your opinions or how you guys would set up. I'll post a few more screenshots of my players so you can see who I'm working with.
  4. I'd consider playing him as a Mezzala support or attack in MCL position with the ML position with a more conservative role such as WMd.
  5. Surely it all depends on what you're looking for from your tactic? For example in a narrow 4132 having an AFa on the right with him being right footed might be beneficial as it could add width to your attack as he may be better able to go to the right flank and offer crossing options. Alternatively you might want him on the left side of attack if you were going for a direct counter attacking system so he could drive inwards straight for goal and shoot on his favoured foot.
  6. This is going to be confusing for a lot of players including myself because the tactical creator suggests a cautious mentality - if choosing the counter attacking template, at least that's how it is in FM19.
  7. This is how I feel atm but I'm ridiculously stubborn so I'm intent on trying to get my tactical ideas to work. I wish I could speak to a developer in person because at the moment there's just so much that about FM that I just don't understand and if I think I do understand chances are I've misunderstood.
  8. I'm currently in the process of trying to make my tactical ideas work in FM18 but due to the limited time I have to play the game thanks to work and family commitments my progress has been unexpectedly slow. What I had hoped to do was play 1 to 3 matches at a time then go back and analyse by viewing the whole match and then make changes to my tactic based on what I saw. However due to my lack of time available viewing whole matches at a time and then analyzing isn't going well because of time constraints. What I'd like to know from more experienced players is whether realistically would I be able to pick up on certain flaws in my tactic without having to view the whole match but rather viewing on comprehensive or extended highlights? (from a 1-3 match period) Would it be possible to pick up on these flaws and then change and adapt to make a successful tactic?
  9. After the Palace match I decided to apply these changes to my tactic: CFs was changed to a DLFa Low Crosses TI was added I removed the closing down PI for my DR I removed the Gets Forward PI from the DL DL Now has Pass it shorter PI Our run of results after the Palace match looks like this: As you can see we started doing a bit better but results have been fairly stagnant towards the end so I decided I should try to analyse the Arsenal match. The West Brom match wasn't really significant to me because I rotated quite heavily. Against Sheff Wed we were faced with a 442 again and we conceded a goal from a header at the far post Tuta was unable to beat his man in the air. Replacing Tuta may be required if I keep conceding these types of goals, I did change my tactic after I saw this happen. The Half-back was changed to DMs because he was helping in these kind of defensive situations, I'm starting to think that having a defence minded DM is wasted on a 442 unless I actually start seeing their STK's drop deep. To balance this change I also changed the Tuta from WBs to FBd, that way we still had 3 players told to stay back. Just before half-time Shef Wed made it 2-2 after we conceded a penalty which is possibly a concern due to our hard tackling instructions. Later on I saw Tuta get beat in the air again so I don't think the change I made had much difference defensively. I think what I could maybe try next time is to have a specific aerial threat man marked by a tall player. Vs Arsenal It was a heavy defeat against a really strong side and we were away from home so I should have considered using my 4141 defend tactic but I chose to stick with my main variant. After looking back through the game I picked up on these points: Guillem was an issue up front, he was unable to win clearances, he couldn't hold the ball up, he failed at passing and he continually got himself offside. The conclusion I take from this is that Guillem is just not good enough in this role against better teams. 11' we saw our offside trap exposed 50' we were passing the ball around controlling the ball but we were lacking in any real penetration 51' Their MCL drags my players out of position and nobody really engages him with a tackle attempt...it leads to Tuta being beaten in the air once again at the far post. 55' Freeman gives away a Pen, meaning we have conceded 3 Pens in just 9 league games 64' Arsenal were allowed an easy shot, a lack of closing down and nobody tackling seems to be an issue 75' Their MCR was able to hold up the ball and allow his teammate to overlap causing a good chance to develop - I'm thinking about maybe there's a need to be more aggressive in our closing down settings or maybe change one of our midfield roles to something like a ball winning midfielder 81' Aguiar, Guillem's replacement had been isolated at times but he also had some success creating chances on his own 88' Martinez fails to hold up the ball which resulted in Arsenal creating a chance, this I believe is down to his attributes
  10. It is my intention to put it in the tactics forum because I believe at some point during the season I will run into issues tactically at which point I hope to analyse and try to find out what went wrong. At the moment I guess it could quite easily fit into the FM career updates section as I've fleshed out the thread with a lot of stuff maybe not relevant to tactics. I've done this however to try and provide a lot of information about my players. Also to show my thought process with regards to player recruitment and tactical changes in game.
  11. 10 games in: I've hit a bit of a blip and I'm really concerned about the Palace game so I've decided I'll try to analyse what went wrong and see how I can improve going forward. Here is a bit of info about how Palace were expected to line up: Palace go into this game as slight favourites. We're away from home and they're expected to have the stronger squad so I thought I'd need to be wary of being to aggressive attacking wise against them. The screenshots above show that they are inclined to attack the wide areas which is something I don't mind when I'm playing a low block, I checked their strikers out and neither are particularly tall so I thought they shouldn't trouble me in the air. Here I've uploaded highlights from the match, the 1st video being comprehensive highlights and the second being extended. Changes made throughout the match: 13 minutes in - I kept seeing Guillem receive the ball with only the last line of defence to beat so I changed his duty to attack in the hope that he could fashion out a goal scoring opportunity on his own. 17 minutes in - Guillem has a chance on goal, it was my hope that the change I had made was vindicated. 20 minutes in - From what I can tell it looks as though we were being tight marked so I considered passing into space or increasing the tempo so we could play our way through, but I made no changes at this point. 22 minutes in - Palace 1-0 26 minutes in - I increased our tempo because I saw our team lose possession in midfield, I assumed it was because they were taking too long on the ball. 34 minutes in - Guillem was put back on a support role because I saw him lose the ball one too many times. Start of second half - We were behind and I felt like we needed to come out of the blocks fast so I changed to my 4141 attack tactic and swapped the positions of Guillem and Jefferson. I did this because I think Jefferson could do a better job holding up the ball and laying it off as he has better strength than Guilem. 61 minutes in - I replaced Wilson for Holden because Wilson had played poorly and was getting tired. I put Chust at DR in the hope that I could get more support during out attacking transitions. Tuta just wasn't cutting it for me, Tuta I replaced with Mance as he's a more accomplished Central Midfielder. 67 minutes in - I'm starting to get frustrated and so I guess are my team, I watch as they shoot another long range effort which prompts me to add the TI - work ball into box. 69 minutes in - Palace 2-0 69 minutes in - it's all gone wrong, I revert back to the 4141 Base tactic. I still think we could do better with the lone striker holding the ball up and laying it off so I swap Jefferson to ML and Holden goes up top. Jefferson is also better equipped to deliver crosses and be more of a threat down the left wing. Holden being tall and strong could be better for hold up play. Guillem I replaced for K. Hass because he hadn't had much of an impact so I hoped Hass could off something different such as running down the right flank as per his player trait. Higher tempo was removed because I saw no benefit since adding the instruction. 79 minutes in - Palace 3-0 I know it's game over at this point, I just want to know what I could have done better. 82 minutes in - Palace 3-1 Staines Holden grabs one back for us. 82 minutes in - I wondered how Palace's strikers were beating me in the air? The only thing I could think of was maybe it was down to me tight marking them so I removed tight marking. Full time. Post match analysis 1st Half 0:15 - Everything looks okay apart from Coria's positioning which I believe should be in line with Vargas. 1:36 - Bernadino makes a last ditch tackle to prevent Guillem getting in on goal - this is good to see that Guillem can still be a threat even if being on support duty. Their CB Perrin hoofs it forward and Chaparro beats Coria to it due to quickness I think. Chaparro then wins his header rising above Vargas and Diegmann I don't know how imo my players should be winning that header. How do I defend against this situation? 4:26 - We lose possession due to their high press, Veljovic only has 9 composure so rolling it out and playing out of defence could be an issue if this keeps happening. 5:07 - Palace's D-line is really high up, should I have looked to take advantage of that? Maybe by using TI pass into space, or by changing Guillem to poacher, or maybe a compination of changes i.e more direct. 5:16 - Wilson does actually release Guillem into space so maybe no change is needed. Guillem unfortunately only comes away with a corner. 7:05 - Carey's pass gets intercepted I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't be able to make that pass. He could have passed back. 7:55 - Half Chance for Carey shot is saved and we get a corner. 9:38 - I want Guillem to be dropping deep like a DLF would in those situations something I thought the CF role offers, perhaps it doesn't. Maybe I need him to have the player traits - plays with back to goal and plays one-twos? 9:44 - Carey finds Wilson with a nice pass, Wilson crosses but Perrin wins the header. Maybe I should have low crosses instructed. Eventually Carey brings our move to an end with a long shot even though there was an easy passing option in Chust. 12:42 - Martinez gets a free shot from their corner, I don't think there's anything more I can do here. 17:02 - Guillem has a Half Chance played in by Carey, possibly was a result from Guillem's change to an attack duty. 17:58 - Williams is forced into clearing the ball because he was being pressed, this may be down to his composure being only 12. 18:34 - Tuta goes closing down Hank, this is too much I only want him closing down opposing wingers. Is this due to his high work rate? or PI? 20:43 - Another misplaced pass from Carey, can't explain why. 21:21 - Poor corner from Wilson and they break, Somehow Chaparro goes straight by Diegmann and Chaparro scores. Don't know what I could have done about the goal, Williams has stay back if needed set on corners. Diegmann and Tuta should have been enough to deal with the threat. 29:46 - I'm concerned by Diegmann's position I want him to be a support option in line with Chust but he's moving too far forward, he's actually more attacking than my Box to Box midfielder who has gets further forward. Possible solution maybe to remove Diegmann's get further forward PI. Also a second later I think that my DR is isolated he could do with sitting narrower. I also want Guillem to drop deep which is not happening. 37:51 - Again Tuta is too isolated because of how deep and wide he is. Play breaks down here as Chust passes to Jefferson who's already marked and then gets tackled. That is Chust's only viable passing option perhaps we would have been better served with Jefferson on support duty that may allow us to keep the ball better because losing possession in this area is very dangerous. 2nd Half 51:01 - Doesn't show on Comprehensive highlights but Carey loses the ball I think because he has noone behind him he can pass to. Chust is too far forward probably due to his player trait gets further forward. 51:09 - Guillem has his pass towards Chust intercepted. 51:37 - Player position from the opposition throwing is all wrong, for some reason Williams and Tuta have switched position. The Half Back is at DR position and Tuta is closing down the ball carrier who is just past the half way line, Tuta is being far too aggressive with his closing down. They end their move with a shot on the edge of the area I wouldn't call that a very good scoring opportunity. 55:14 - Palace play the ball around at the back and although Jefferson gives a half hearted attempt at pressing them they get it to Bernardino who plays a long direct ball into space for Chaparro to get onto. This shows to me that my D-line is too high with the 4141 attack variant preferable I want my D-line to be deeper than that. Chaparro ends up one on one with a decent Half Chance. 56:01 - Fernandez with an early cross to the far post somehow Chaparro gets on the end of this! I don't understand why he keeps beating my defenders in the air the only thing I can think of is he has a bigger leap because of a running start. Does my tighter marking have something to do with it? The only consolation I can take from this is that the game didn't consider this move a scoring opportunity however it did with the shot 51 mins. 62:39 - Diegmann again is too far advanced he's positioned higher than Jed Holden (ML) and also higher than Guillem who's at IWa. Diegmann then finds himself with nowhere to go and loses possession in a dangerous area which Palace then exploit. 67 - Carey has two long shots when passing options were available hence why I added Work Ball Into Box. 68:47 - Palace go 2-0 up from this move, I'm a little bit critical over Holden's positioning but really I don't know what I could have done to prevent this goal, again the only thing I can think of is remove the TI - tight marking. 71:06 - Williams plays it to Diegmann who then attempts a through ball? It was an awful pass which surrendered possession and left us open against another quick and direct attack. 76:03 - Fernandez goes past Hass and gets his cross in and yet again Chaparro wins a header at the far post and almost scores. This is move seems to be a common theme but I don't know how to stop it. Maybe I could have relinqueshed the need to have a Half Back and instead employed a more defensive minded Full Back? 76:28 - Despite all the bad at this moment we made a really good move, Holden held up the ball well and layed it off to Carey. Carey then found Jefferson who stretched Palace by hugging the byline and crossing to Hass who came inside to head at the far post. It was an excellent move which deserved a goal. 78:08 - Palace score again, similar to what we've seen before. 81:31 - This was another excellent passage of play from my side and I believe it shows me that Jed Holden could really play the CFs role well, he holds it up lays it off and manages to finish the move off. Possible Tactical changes:- Play a DMs/DLPs in the DM position and play a defensive minded Full Back to combat the 2 opposing strikers. The Half Back wasn't getting deep enough and their AFa, CF and wingers were causing me problems down the flanks. At stages 1:36, 21:21, 51:06, 68:47, 76:03 and 78:08 their early crosses caused me major problems. Because they had quick players with good off the ball one possible reason they kept getting on the end of the crosses could have been down to my Tight Marking team instructions. Solutions could be to remove the tight marking TI or set never tight mark with the OI. Our keeper could have rushed out and commanded our area better to cut out those crosses therefore a solution could have been to choose a better suited keeper. Guillem might work better in my system as a DLFa I want him to come short a lot more and play a simple pass and then get into a good attacking position. So I try him out as a DLFs also I could have him attempt to learn the player traits - Plays with back to goal and Plays one-twos. I don't really have anyone to take advantage of floated crosses so a change to low crosses or whipped crosses may be more suitable. Tuta's closing down was too aggressive I may need to remove the PI closing down more from the DR role. The DR role seems to be quite isolated in my system I may try adding sit narrower or changing role to something like CWBs Our DL Diegmann kept getting too high up the pitch for my liking so I might remove the Gets further forward PI Chust may need more passing options, changing Jefferson from IWa to IWs may help. The D-line for our 4141 attack tactic was too high I think I need to drop it even deeper. If Carey is having too many long shots consider asking him to shoot less Diegmann has lost the ball with his passing in dangerous areas for us so I think I need to reduce his passing directness or add fewer risky passes. Holden played well as a CFs I could try him out there more often
  12. 3 Games in: The first 2 matches were never going to be much of a challenge due to the gulf in quality, the 3rd game however I will have a look at in more detail. Middlesbrough (2.75) vs Staines (2.25) I go into this game as slight favourites, the season preview predicts Middlesbrough to finish 17th and Staines to finish 8th. I take a look at their predicted line up and see they will play something along the lines of a 4231 wide, Standard mentality and Structured shape. They field some good wingers with good crossing and a 6"6 Target Man with good jumping reach. This has me concerned that he might be able to dominate my two centre backs so I considered raising my D-line but thought that instead due to me being favourites and likely having a better squad I should choose to start with my more attacking tactic. This I think will see my D-line raised simply down to the higher mentality. I also wasn't sure it would be a great idea to change the D-line via TI because then I'm trying to anticipate what will happen rather than actually see it happen on the pitch, for all I know their TM might have a bad game and not be able to win many headers. Before the game began I took a quick look at the opposition wide players, anyone who had good crossing and who seemed a threat from wide I applied OI's to show them inside. I did this to attempt to limit their success with crossing. I proceeded to play out the match and jotted down what changes I made and when as follows:- 8 minutes in - Middlesbrough have 60% possession, they've just created a decent chance to get a shot in on goal and my star player Jefferson has already lost the ball twice both dribbling into a crowd of people. This leads me to believe that I'm approaching this match too aggressively, maybe I'm too attacking I thought? I changed my tactic from 4141 Attack to 4141 Base. 30 minutes in - not much is happening and I notice Aguiar is on a 6.6 rating, attribute wise he's more suited to an attack duty imo so I decide to switch his duty from support to attack for more goal threat (this is something I previously mentioned I'd consider altering from the first post). I hoped this change would give their defence more to worry about. 36 minutes in - and Jefferson gives us our first goal, I'm really pleased to see Holden get the assist he played outstanding in the first 2 games so I couldn't bring myself to take him out of the starting line up, a choice I certainly did not regret. 39 minutes in - I want to take the sting out of the game now that we're ahead and hopefully go in at half time with the lead so I add the TI Retain Possession. 42 minutes in - 2-0 Middlesbrough give away a free kick and we score from it! Coria rising up in the air and heading home. I'd like to think this was a result of my tactical change but that maybe hopeful thinking. 47 minutes in - Rodrigo is booked, I instruct him to easy tackle rather than hard tackle. Half Time - Safely in at half-time 2-0 up I remove the TI Retain Possession I feel it has served it's purpose. 51 minutes in - 3-0 A Scorcher from Carey!!! 60 minutes in - 4-0 Jefferson, Game, set and match! 61 minutes in - I decide it's time to freshen the squad up I have a few tired players. Diegmann replace Holden, I put Diegmann at DL and ask him to tackle harder. Rodrigo now at ML I ask to ease of tackles because he is booked. Wilson replaces Carey, I think about Wilson's trait Run's with ball down the left and consider if that will result in him getting in the way of Rodrigo's positioning, he also has the same trait. I add Roam from position to Rodrigo thinking that might help if Wilson runs down the left maybe Rodrigo can move himself in to some space. I have no idea if this was a positive change or not. Finally I subbed Williams for Tuta. 66 minutes in - They sub on a new AML Winger whom I deem a threat so I use OI to show him inside. 72 minutes in - Second yellow and a Red for Middlesbrough. I change to 4141 attack but ask them to retain possession in order to stretch them and wear them out. 74 minutes in - I realize they have their AMC at DL so I try to exploit this by using the TI - Exploit the right flank. Full time. I'm no expert at analyzing from statistics but I think the passing combinations look pretty good with little isolation. The shots stats concern me though by the looks of it I had a lot of long range opportunities something I may need to look at reducing if this becomes a common occurrence, also the opposition appeared to have 4 shots in a dangerous area something I'll have to look at.
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