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Hi, So as I was frustrated of playing roles that were not behaving like they should (F9, IF). I decided to run a test with other roles and... Right now, no matter which role you are playing in the ST strata, the only thing that slightly changes is the rate of runs forward based on the duty of the striker. If you play a striker on support duty, he will sit in between the opp defensive line and the opp DM, wait for the ball and occasionally attack the def line. If you play it on attack duty he'll sit on the def line and run behind the line more, that's it. Okay maybe the rate of runs in behind will change slightly between a P, an AF and a CFa, but all in all it's the same role with different names. The instructions to roam and move into channels (without PPM) are for decoration and basically do not work, the roles are also for decoration because they all behave the same depending on if you play attack/support duty. Also, the IW/IF/W roles differ only by their names without the appropriate PPMs. I can't count how many times I've seen my IF and IW run down the flank and cross like they are wingers. I remember that in the feature road map, there was a statement about players making less runs down the flanks and slowing down as they progress. I don't remember seeing this in game. Could you please change the behaviour of roles in the attacking third so that they each behave differently? Also could you please fix the instructions to move into channels and roam from position, and allow players to overload zones intelligently? The players recognize when a zone is occupied by another player, and refrain from occupying the same space, that's cool, it brings structure and avoid width collapsing. But if every player stay static in his zone and waits for a pass, not only is this not realistic, it's also so easy to defend against, to press players down and the game feels like table foosball and not football. The game should allow 2 players or more to occupy the same zone, at least momentarily.

Hi, after I've played couple seasons in this edition,I began to notice that something was wrong in the OTB movements of the players, as well as their positioning, I have simulated a game, and I'll try to pinpoint the issues which are coming in most of the matches I've played so far (before we start, I edited the players to have the PPM I want to, and they have completely mental attributes, in order to recreate what I'd like to see on the pitch): 05:46 Messi has the PPM to drop deep, he should occupy the hole in midfield but stay attached to the defensers (even though he is a F9). Balde should be higher because he's playing CWBa but still somehow sits in the midfield strata. This issue is recurring a lot. 06:48 Messi is behaving like an AF and runs into the box, he's a F9 he should roam and run to help Yamal and not behave like an AF. 08:54 Messi is again behaving like an AF, he should be dropping in to link up but stays way too high for his role. 17:10 Balde behaves like a FBs and does not run to help Fati which behaves like a winger and runs down the flank, again Balde is a CWBa and Fati is an IFs, this should not happen, and Messi stays central when he should move into the channel to help. 23:00 This sequence shows both good things and bad things, messi takes his sweet time but finally drops where Prado is when he should be dropping as soon as the build up starts, Gavi gets the ball and both Messi and Pedri start running forward while Messi, as a F9 should stay deeper to collect the ball. At 23:18 there is a clear opportunity for Messi to run inside the channel, or even Pedri which plays mezzala. Pedri runs in late but still tries to do it, which is a positive thing. However Messi is completely oblivious to the run and stays deep, now is the time to run forward mate, not to stay deep, where is your 18 OTB attribute gone to? During the whole sequence Fati could stay more central and behave like an AF trying to make a run in behind, but half-asses it and stays in the channel. 23:30 Messi has the perfect opportunity to move into the channel, but stays central and waits for the ball. 23:56 There is a complete hole in between Fresneda and Yamal where either Pedri, or Messi could drop to, given that Messi has both "likes ball played into feet", "comes deep to get ball", and I've almost maxed his OTB, I'd expect from him to recognize this and drop into the space. Instead he wobbles around the defensive line. You're a F9 mate, not a poacher, neither an AF. 24:00 Perfect opportunity here for Balde or Fati to run in behind, but no they prefer to wait for the ball to get into their feet. 24:07 Both Fati, Messi and Pedri try to run into the box at the same time, again Messi has the PPM to drop deep, Fati has the PPM to beat the offside trap, Pedri is a mez on attack. Messi should drop deep to link up, Fati should attack the left channel, Pedri the right channel (maybe not at the same time but with a bit of delay between them). How do they all push at the same time given their role, attributes and PPMs? 31:55 Another wasted opportunity for Messi to attack the channel and link up with Pedri, for Balde to run up and attack the left flank, for Fati to play centrally. 35:07 There is a space to fill, which Fresneda try to fill because he's an IWB-s, however, it's still early in the build up, why don't either Messi or Pedri drop deep? Why don't they recognise that there is a space where they can drop to? 10 seconds later we see that Messi could again attack the channel, even Pedri, but they do not do that. Messi's movement is so passive when he should be the most roaming player on the field. 40:59 Look again, at Messi's, Fati and Balde's behaviour. Balde is still in the midfield strata, Fati is a bit more central but again I think Messi's hindering him from going totally central. And Messi tries to attack centrally way too early in the build up, no mate, you should stay deep and link up with Gavi, you're a playmaker with all the PPMs for that, not an AF. 49:22 The vertical space between Fresneda and Pedri is large enough to park Mourinho's bus in it, but again both Messi and Pedri are pushing the defense, why? Lamine, you're a winger with the PPM to beat the offside trap, why do you wait for the ball to come to you? Why don't you make the run in behind? 49:35 There is a gaping hole in the midfield, does anyone with the PPM to come deep drop to receive the ball? No, let's push the defensive line because we're all playing poachers today. 56:24 there is a hole the size of a crater in the midfield, why does Messi attack the defensive line instead of dropping deep? Also why is Pedri knocking the ball with 2 CB ahead of him instead of passing to Messi? Where did his 17-18 decision and first touch go to? I could go on, but I think that this is enough to make my point. The OTB movements are broken, the PPM movements are overwritten by positional play, players do not try to attack free space or drop deep into space that is not occupied, even with PPMs and the instructions to roam and be more expressive. They stay in their position because of positional play. It makes the game way more static than it should be. The F9 role is stuck in between behaving like an AP and a regular poacher, he does not roam, does not attack channel, just drops a tiny bit but far from enough, and attack the defense centrally like a poacher with 6 OTB and anticipation. He half asses everything instead of being the mobile player he should be, collecting the ball, dribbling and attacking channels to create. Other than that, even the MEZ should recognize the free space behind him and PPM as well as instructions make it impossible for an attacking minded central midfielder to drop to collect the ball and run into space. Balde as a CWBa should recognize that there is a whole flank to run into, he has like 16-17 in work rate, the PPM to get further forward, and maybe even the PPM to beat offside trap (I think I gave it to him but not sure). Fati, as an IFs with sit narrower, should recognize that there is space to attack centrally when Messi drops. Also both Yamal and Fati should try to run behind the ball way more than they do right now. The defensive line, as well as the Gavi and De Jong, should recognize that the distance betwen them and the opp defensive line is too short, the pitch is too compact, and therefore they should recycle and start to create space between the opposition lines for the attacking line by dropping deeper. But right now, if you play a high d-line, your defensers will go as high possible, and therefore against an opposition high d-line the pitch is completely squished. Add to that the fact that every offensive players attack the space together and they rarely make runs in behind and you kill possession based tactic unless you play possession in your own half. Defensers and defensive midfielders should drop deep to create space, this is imperative to play tactics like Guardiola's, and this should not be linked to how high is your d-line out of possession. Also, the offensive line lead by Pedri, Fati, Messi and Yamal feels like they are all effectively playing on one line and pushing all together simultaneously like they are all linked by an invisible line, to be honest it just feels like they came out straight of table foosball and they are linked by a metal bar. This is wrong on many levels, why are there duties and roles if at the end of the day, all offensive players behave the same? These issues could be remediated by: having the CWBa attacking the defensive line sonner letting players with roaming from position bypass the positional structure, allowing players to quit their zone for a moment to go into zones occupied by other players in order to link up having the F9 effectively dropping and collecting the ball more instead of trying to attack the def line and bypassing positional structure blurring the line between support and attack duties, right now attack duties are somehow forbidden to drop to attack free space left behind allow for more recycling of possession no matter where you are on the field, at least for positive mentality allow the CBs and DMs, as well as the CMs (even the attacking ones) to drop deep to create space between lines deleting this invisible metal bar that is present between players in the offensive strata allowing for more nuanced movements in the offensive third, not everybody has to attack the area at the same time allow for players to recognise free space and channels and leave their position to attack it intelligently create more rotations between players in the offensive strata