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    ME - FM19 v FM20

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by robot_skeleton

    On 19/09/2020 at 11:44, amer said:

    My question is which ME is better fm19 or the now almost fully patched up fm20?

    I'd say FM19 ME is better. 20 has this annoying bug where the striker  (99% of the times) presses the keeper and moves out of place when defending, and your whole team does not move up the field to press if there is a backpass. It is unbearable. You could find it in the bug section. But FM 20 is maybe more fun to me? Weird. There are more goals, quicker gameplay and 19 is just very tedious, so now I just don't play any of it, waiting for 21.

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    broken game engine

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Overmars said:

    Both complaints are true. Passive opponents can keep possession too easily, and the only way you can really counter this is to max out your pressing urgency and aggression. If you don't try to press your opponents, they will hold the ball for a 0-0 result. If you do press them, at least then you can occasionally force a mistake, though nowhere near as effectively as would happen in real life if a crappy team tried to hold the ball all match against Liverpool-esque teams.

    This has been going on since FM19, right? I don't remember seeing it in older editions.

    If they don't improve this aspect of the game I'm gonna be so pissed, right now it is the only thing keeping me from enjoying the game.

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    broken game engine

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    On 09/07/2020 at 12:44, Novem9 said:

    the worst thing for me when AI Barca vs AI Granada 1-1 and possession 49%-51% for Granada.

    Its just because mentality works incorrect. AI low teams play cautious but this is no counter, this is possession. And this is no sence at all :seagull:

    When AI team starts to play positive/attacking - they start to play much better because their attacks are faster. Mentality needs to be rethink and start to be no-dual 

    I actually don't mind that lower mentalities keep the ball and play possession. But then pressing should be improved so that we could take the ball away from these teams. Right now I see ridiculous things when trying to press the opposition in their own half, not sure how it can be in the game.

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    Suggestions on preventing inferior teams from maintaining long spells of possession in their defensive third?

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, Columnarius said:Setting aside the offensive side for City for the moment, it seems strange that teams can keep possession and complete so many passes in their own third even against a high press / high defensive line tactic...

     

    If anyone has some suggestions on how'd they'd set up a 4-1-2-2-1 to achieve something similar to the opponent's possession , # of passes and passing accuracy stats I highlighted, I'd love to learn your approach.

    Sorry to be "that guy" and provide no real helpful advice here but the problem is with engine and you can't really do anything about it unless you change formation or make minor tweaks that could give you a bit more possession.

    In single striker formations in FM20 you will see that the striker lacks any kind of intelligent positioning and awerness, he will recklessly press the keeper even on lower mentalities and lower pressing, he will press the keeper alone (of course the rest of team just jockeying around not following) who will have no problem passing the ball to the defenders around the halfway line. You will see the bug section with reports of this exact issue.

    If the striker presses the back line and the keeper without the midfield close enough, your first line of press is broken, you are on the back foot and the opponent can advance easily. 

    It means that you are always trying to play a short build up possession game by going up and down the pitch trying to chase the ball because if you are advanced you can't get the ball back, so you fall more and more back and if you get the ball back deep you have to get to the final third again with this slow possession based style and the opponent will have all the time in the world to reorganize.

    I disagree with the idea that you can tell the striker to mark the holding player, tried it multiple times, never worked.

    But I want to offer something that you can keep an eye on.

    1. Watch the first 10 minutes of games on "full match mode": do you see that your defenders/midfielders have enough space/passing options? Can they bring the ball out?If not why? Are they booting the ball long? Is there a specific place where you lose possession?

    Then you can make small adjustments.

    This can mean dropping the playout of defence instruction and go direct, or tell Ederson to throw the ball out to someone who is always free, change the def mid to half back who drops deeper and doesn't congest space or change the line of engagement and def line etc

    2. Who do you expect to recycle possession in this team? How does your midfield link up?

    3. Who is going score goals and get into goalscoring positions other than the CF, who is providing support, supply, movement?

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    Football Manager 2020 January & February Transfer Updates Feedback Thread

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, Mitja said:

    It would take big changes to how mentality works. For example passing game is much more suited to lower mentalities. Higher mentalities are simply too quick and impatient and look more suited to running with ball or counter-attacking style. Practically it's the opposite to what it should be.  

    I don't think that it is true that you can only play possession football on lower mentalitites, or that it is better suited. @herne79 and @Cleon wrote about it. I am far more concerned about certain things regarding pressing or just the inability to do so. I would write about it extensively but I don't think it would be beneficial, others have done it in the bugs fourum.

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    Football Manager 2020 January & February Transfer Updates Feedback Thread

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    On 17/03/2020 at 12:24, fidelitywars said:

    Thing is, those possession statisitcs absolutely do not happen in real life - teams that don't want the ball, tend not to get it. Absolutely huge issue with the ME in both FM19 and FM20 is the ease and margin by which overtly defensive teams win the possession battle. Badly needs rectifying for FM21 if it's to be in any way a better product than what we have now.

    Oh my freaking God, you just absolutely nailed one of the most annoying features of both 2019 and 2020 FM. It seems so easy to be defensive and pass the ball around at the back especially if you play against a lone striker. Pressing is practically all over the place and because of this I have spent the last two years playing this game and banging my head against wall. If you happen to play with a lone striker your midfiled will stay deep, your striker will go on his own and press like a headless chicken. But deep down I just want FM to be great and playable again, because this is not just a bug it is seriously undermining my experience and to wait another year when they will maybe adress this issue is just so painful.

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    The most compact defensive width isn't compact at all

    in Match Engine - AI and Tactics (Pre-20.2.4 Issues)

    Posted

    Hi, if defensive width really was an issue (which I'm not saying it isn't), the dev team could still not use this as an example unfortunately. We do not know your exact tactic, no pkms, who knows if the issues you are facing are due to players or bad setup or just actually a bug. I think this is a very complex issue and if you want to report something with regards to this you would have to be very clear and consice and simple especially with tactics and problems.

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    PLayers not following throw-in instructions

    in Match Engine - AI and Tactics (Pre-20.2.4 Issues)

    Posted

    22 hours ago, Pasonen said:

    I think these throw-in instructions only work when player have good long throws and trait long flat bullet throws. Correct me if I'm wrong.. would like to get confirmation too.

    That is interesting, I just simply do not want my striker and holding mid to come short, and all they do is come short. It really is dangerous especially now that players seem to be able to run with the ball uninterrupted it leads to a clear cut chance. I am interested in knowing if I am doing something wrong or it is a bug.

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    Striker isolation

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    Hi there, well first of all, you need runners from deep. You have runners from wide, but I do not see anyone making forward runs from deep positions in the midfield. I suggest changing the role of the AP to a simple attacking mid and see how the duties work together. But other runner can be a as shadow striker as well.

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