Muja

Can I take it back? I want to take it all back. With positional play it's quite easy to make the AMC move wider and participate more in the build-up: make one of the players behind him go forward, and he'll accommodate. Positional play. My god, this year's ME might have its faults, but overall it's fantastic.

The rule was devised this way to prevent teams leading in the score from using 5 stops to waste time. The windows remain a maximum of 3 as they were before this new rule, except that now 2 additional substitutions are allowed. Yeah that's true, but still, shouldn't it be possible? Why do we have the option to use an Enganche if it just doesn't work? Besides, it irks me to no end when my team makes an incredible win and everyone has a rating above 7... except for my single AMC, who's always struggling, the poor guy

But how could it be Placebo if I DIDN'T KNOW there was a new patch? My tactics started to behave differently, so I thought to check if there was a new patch and, lo and behold, there was, and I had already installed it without realizing it. That said, now I'm sure it must have been a coincidence. That means the AMC's issue has been there from day one... I think I'm gonna open a thread to discuss that.

I only noticed the existence of that patch because my tactics suddenly started behaving differently. Maybe just a coincidence? But I'm sure the AMC used to make more off-the-ball movements. I couldn't have dreamed that!

Nope, the first ME was 24.0.1. I mean, the 24.1.0 patch had no changelog, so I don't know exactly *what* changed, but my tactics started to behave differently, so I'm sure there was SOME change to the ME. Which undoubtedly undermined the AMC movement. Maybe indirectly, but it's much more static now.

Also... since patch 24.1.0, AMC is once again useless in creating chances. I've done countless tests. It can still be good as an attacker coming from deep (SS, Am-At) but I've observed he doesn't move much from the central position and that means he rarely makes decisive passes (since most of them come from wide areas), so he doesn't create chances, and if you want to use him as a pure creative player, he'll contribute very poorly to build up and get low ratings . Look, no offense, but... Is there a way to go back to the Beta ME? Despite GK injuries and weird results, it was much more fun.

Testing tactics with Atalanta... Some weird results here, especially 5-0 vs Juve 6-1 vs Roma 8-1 vs Inter

Seems that it fixed itself on its own... Everything's back to normal now. Weird, though!

Nevermind, today's patch seems to have reverted things. My tips are working once again, even better than before... maybe even too much, at least for the attacking tactic. I'm gonna run some tests with the defensive tactic now. That said, AMC is still performing poorly.

Look at this... THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. I mean, I'm quite sure that Lookman is black.

Not just Haaland. Just started a new save... and ALL players look like that now.

Unfortunately, is very, VERY hard to create a successful defending tactic in FM. After the new patch, even the defending instructions I posted here are not as effective anymore. And the AMC has become useless at creating chances once again. I'll have to update this guide after more tests.

*all of that without the "frequently waste time" instruction, it slipped!

Hi! Following my tips to the letter, I'd do something like this:

It looks fine, yes! give it a try, and let me know if it worked!

LOL!

I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough, I meant those formations give the best defensive performances, so they concede less goals.

In my tests with a 3 ATB formations, my above tips still apply: all three defenders were BPD, and on the flanks I used two wing-backs on support (this should make a 5 players defending line when you don’t have the ball). I actually found that the 3-4-3 or 3-4-1-2 formations (with 2 DMs and 2 wingbacks) had the best performances in terms of goals conceded. Thank you, and I hope it’ll work! I didn’t have great luck with the Gegenpress preset when I tested it with lower teams

I'm glad, that was exactly my intent! Let me know how it goes!

Yeah, good advice, makes totally sense! Unfortunately pre-season matches are not really indicators of the quality of a tactic. You'll see the real stuff once official matches begin. But if results should not come at first, don't be discouraged. It will take 2-3 games before players become familiar with the primary tactic.

Thank you! It seems you're on the right track. It'll probably work well as it is. But, following my tips to the letter, I'd give you these advices: Offensive formation - Use Inverted Winger instead of Inside Forward on the left side (inside forwards aren't very reliable this year) - Use Inverted Wingback on the right side, instead of the Fullback (because you already have the winder giving width on that side of the pitch) - Use Segundo Volante instead of Deep Lying Playmaker (Segundo Volantes are very, very effective!) Defensive formation - give support duties to all the players but the advanced forward (you want to defend!) - use another Box to Box midfielder instead of the Cm-At (again, you want to defend! The BtB will still push forward but will also help defending) - Use Inverted Wingback on the right side, instead of the Fullback (just like for the offensive formation) - move "trigger press" (in "out of possession") to the MAX! You're defending with a low block, but as soon as the opponents try to enter that block, you have to assault them! These tips should help you perform slightly better, but as I said, I think the formations you created are already good. Let me know how it goes! I'm rooting for you!

I agree with you guys, and I ended up downloading tactics, too... But once I found those meta, gamebreaking tactics, I could win the league with low-end teams, and the fun completely went out of the game. That's why I started making my own tests. I wanted a good framework, but not TOO good that I couldn't enjoy the game anymore, and also adaptable with any shape, so I didn't have to turn EVERY team I managed into a 4231 samey machine. That's basically my guide, I guess. "User Interface". I think he means "until we'll have better in-game guides". All I would need is a system within the match engine that is able to tell you the flaws in your tactics, not spoon-feeding you the solutions but letting you get there on your own. That would be enough in my opinion. For example, "your right wing is often losing the ball because he is too isolated." Okay, then I will look for a way to give him more support. Done, I am intrigued, and any tactical problem would be a challenge, and not an archaic mystery. The problem is that I think developing something like that would require a huge effort because after all these years the Match Engine must have become a BEAST of codes that is not easily interpreted even by the programmers themselves.

There's also a defensive strategy With this tactic, for example: https://imgur.com/vJHcT2D I didn't win the league (we came second) but we were the best defense of the league, with only 20 goals conceded, full-on Allegri-style

Thank you! And I absolutely agree with you. That's the best way, and you even get better results in the long run. The only downside of that method is that in-game documentation and tutorials aren't really much help to inexperienced players. "Watch the match and tweak the instructions a bit as needed," yes, but HOW? We are failing to keep possession of the ball, but why? My defense always gets pierced too easily, what am I doing wrong? Is it the players' fault? Or the tactics? There is really no way to figure these things out except to watch the games, often FULLY, and try to "guess" the problem... and then "guess" how to fix it. Or go on youtube and look for guides and study and... maybe in a couple of months you'll finally know how to play a game that you've spent quite a bit of money to be able to play. Not everyone wants to, or even can, spend that much time on a videogame. I'm trying to help those guys. This is also true, but I can assure you that I have tested these suggestions thoroughly and can guarantee that they give results. Not EXTRAORDINARY results, because I am not really looking for the meta. But acceptable results, allowing you to finish eighth in the league with a team that should have finished tenth. Or to fight for the championship with a team that was not the favorite. In short, to have fun and reduce frustrations :P

Glad I could be of help! And that’s the Flut skin. Some people don’t like it because every page is so condensed with info… but that’s exactly why I like it! I pick one League in full level of detail, delegate everything, holyday for a season with “always use this tactic” and after that, I watch the games that catch my eyes. If everything seems to be working fine, I go on for another few seasons and then I test the tactic again with other teams and leagues of different level. Since I’ve been doing it for years, I also have a good base to start with.