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I feel you. Fullbacks just do not attempt floated crosses from deep towards a target forward, they simply don't. I forgot which thread but I calculated how often my FBs attempted crosses at all even with extremely direct passing, cross more often, cross from deep etc and the number was so low. CBs with attempts long passes trait hoofs it a bit more to my TF, from my observations. GK has a habit of missing my TF when doing long kicks, I don't understand why. My solution to this is simple, have two tall forwards instead of one Wingers with instructions to put in floating crosses works great. I'm doing a save playing route one if it's of any interest. Not much deep diving into how route on plays in FM, but I might in the future.

Rekindling the Clarets: A Journey to Restore Burnley's Grit and Glory - 2024/25 Disclaimer: This will be a short term save, as you can only expect so much out of a team that will play direct football in a 442. This is my favorite type of save to do it, as I normally only play FM online where everything is about playing the meta. This is very different. I've done something similar twice before, but that was more about emulating Tony Pulis. Jean Duche has brought Burnley back to the Prem and it was time to see how extreme direct passing fairs in the worlds best league. We set up in our trusted 442 DM as mentioned in a previous post, in a mid block 80% of the time, with balanced or cautious mentality. This is how FM views Jean Duche based on how we played so far. After have looked at all other manager profiles in the prem, Duche is the only one with the route one tactical style. August didn't start too well, with matches against or newly promoted colleges in the first two matches and a narrow loss to Man Utd. After the mediocre start we had an impressive run and managed to hold both Spurs and Arsenal to a draw. Three wins goes a long to make us feel more secure and confident in our tactic. Probably not the most entertaining match of the season. November and December look bleak with only two wins in ten matches. Duche keeps backing the boys, saying how pleased he is with the performance, even when losing. The boys are putting in a shift and every loss is narrow. Only losing by one goal and/or drawing to team like Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle shows that there is potential to win these games. As expected with this playstyle, and true to the real life version, goals are hard to come by. Maxi Gomez hasn't exactly been prolific, and Lyle Foster hasn't managed to prove that he is good enough for the prem. Defense is a different story, we are among the team with the least conceded, OUT: It was a busy January to say the least. Dyche was never the one to stand in the way if a good offers comes in, and Duche aims to stay true to that, Our magnificent GK Muric has been rumoured away since the summer, and Man City stepped up their interest with a £30mill bid. He managed 10 clean sheets in 20 matches before leaving, a big loss for us. Ivan Azon made a move to Southampton for £15mill. He didn't develop at the rate that Duche expected, and changes had to be made in attack. Ben Johnson complained about being behind Connor Roborts in the pecking order and was told that he could leave if he wasn't okay with it. A Saudi club came to the rescue and offered £23mill. Luke McNally was sold to Norwich for £24.5mill. Other not so important players also left. IN: It was sad to see Muric leave, but nothing is ever so bad that it isn't good for nothing. Muric leaving left us with a lot of money and we could bring in more domestic players. Dean Henderson will replace Muric and cost us only £9mill from Crystal Palace. Nathan Baxter joined from Bolton as a backup GK. In attempt to fix our goal scoring form, Duche looked to the championship and concluded that West Brom forward Daryl Dike was the man that would solve our problems. Dike has been in good form for West Brom, scoring in every other game this season and the last. A partner for Holding was needed and Philipp Lienhart from Bayern came in for £14mill . The Austrian has international experience, the mental capacity to remain calm under pressure, and the aerial ability to win any header. Tommy Doyle joined us from Man City for £7.5 mill. The ambition is for him to learn a role that is almost extinct in modern football, the wide midfielder. Last but not least, with Ben Johnson leaving we had no backup at right back. Dyche was known for bringing in veterans of the game like Phil Bardsley and squeezing that last bit they had out of them. Duche decided to bring in Stuart Dallas on a loan, certain that his work ethic and professional attitude would be good for the dressing room. Dary Dike aka quadzilla After reinforcing, draw quickly became wins. A major boost was winning 1-0 at Turf Moor against Man Utd. But our biggest upset of the season was yet to come: Lucky? Maybe, but who cares! We aren't here to make friends after all. Our impressive results continued for the remainder of the season. I'm extremely pleased, not necessarily with ending up mid table, but more with how it happened. Getting 9th while scoring only 42 goals and conceding only 35 is extremely Burnley-esque, which is the sole purpose of this save. Next season will determine if this was just luck with all our opponents underestimating us, or if Burnley will stay strong in their second season.

Yup, or the diminutive winger for some reason. Some GKs don't even manage to hoof it far enough up the field, which is weird for a pro GK considering that even an average 16yo can hoof it in a straight line to the forwards.

Rekindling the Clarets: A Journey to Restore Burnley's Grit and Glory - 2024/25 Disclaimer: This will be a short term save, as you can only expect so much out of a team that will play direct football in a 442. This is my favorite type of save to do it, as I normally only play FM online where everything is about playing the meta. This is very different. I've done something similar twice before, but that was more about emulating Tony Pulis. Burnley transfers: With promotion secured Jean Duche need PL quality players who can step up and save Burnley from relegation. In true Dyche fashion the domestic marked will be preferred destination to look for players, especially players who are "PL proven". Rob Holding - £10mill from Crystal Palace: A defender who has played at a high level for a numbers of years and ready to take responsibility in the center of defense for Burnley. Came from a relegated Crystal Palace. Leif Davis - £9mill from Ipswich Davis is a perfect left back for a club like Burnley. Defensively solid with a decent work rate and excellent crossing and corners. Came from a relegated Ipswich side. Harvey Barnes - £6.5mill from Newcastle Perhaps the biggest bargain, despite high wages for a side like Burnley. Loads of experience and still in his prime as a player. Maximiliano Gomez - £10mill from Trabzponsor No domestic players that improved our striker situation or fit our profile was available, so we looked abroad and purchased Maxi G. Strong, tall, hard working, good finisher.

There is a guy on FM-Arena who has submitted every preset tactic for testing, every tactic was used with a few different formations and tested over 1200 matches. This is not the best method because the players used on FMArena are not suited for all playstyles. For example, the strikers are well rounded and pacy, but not super tall target forward types, so not suited for route one. From best to worst, this was the ranking: Gegenpress (by a large margin) Vertical Tiki-Taka Fluid counter attack Wing play Control possession Tiki-Taka Route One Direct counter Catenaccio Park the Bus Take the list with a pinch of salt because there is more than playstyles that impacted the results, such as formations used. The best preset without a shadow of doubt is gegenpress in a 4231, 4222, or 433 type formations, nothing else was even close.

I see. I try to rotate in early cup rounds, and easy CL rounds (vs scandinavian teams etc). In the league I just can't rotate at all, even vs relegation teams. I have potato players who can play in several positions. DMs who can CB, wingbacks who can play on both sides, and strikers who can play out wide. It's a 30 man save so abusing cheap wonderkids/bargain players isn't very easy because everyone does the same thing = those players are no longer cheap.

So one guy saying it has minimal to no impact on development, another one saying it will reduce development (because of overplaying).

I'm currently in an online save and have a strong XI but rather weak bench players. To combat this I've setup resting/intensity like this: Most injuries I get now happen during matches, very few injuries occur during training. This only seem logical since my best players rarely are fit enough to train (EPL+cups+CL). I don't know much about how this will affect development of my best players, many of which are 20-23 (still developing). My players seem to develop a little, but don't have anything to compare it to. Am I stifling the ability development of my starting players for short term sporting results, or will they still develop at an decent rate? I know EBFM have a lot of videos on training, and I've seen a few but can't remember if this was addressed.

Rekindling the Clarets: A Journey to Restore Burnley's Grit and Glory Disclaimer: This will be a short term save, as you can only expect so much out of a team that will play direct football in a 442. This is my favorite type of save to do it, as I normally only play FM online where everything is about playing the meta. This is very different. I've done something similar twice before, but that was more about emulating Tony Pulis. After a promising start to the season our performance dropped into November and December. Our game plan was not working and some tactical tinkering was needed. At first glance it doesn't look by much of a drop in results, but when looking at the highlights and xg it's very worrying. Main changes made is more compact defense and more intense pressing. Overall game plan is still the same, with some variation in roles depending on what players are available. Out: Weghorst £9mill -> Rangers Sander Berge £11mill -> Norwich Both players wanted to go. In: Ross Stewart (LOAN) from Southampton. Jaden Philogene £15mill from Hull. Jaden looks like a young version of former Burnley man Aaron Lennon. Agile, pacy and with a good cross on him Ross Stewart is our TF back up. Results: 2023/24 Table: Norwich and Leeds really had us on our tails the entire season and we got lucky that Leeds form dropped towards the end of the season. A great feat to note is goals scored against which ended at 34, proving that our team has an impenetrable defense! A lot of credit goes to our super tall GK, Muric, with 19 clean sheets. We might lose him in the summer with Saudi clubs starting to sniff at him. Player of the season: Lyle Foster scored 24 goals in 26 matches + 11 subs. If Lyle managed to stay injury free he would probably score lots more. Duche will need Lyle to keep it going on the premier league next season. Honorable mention to Ryan Fraser who managed 9 assists and 4 goals in 19 starts, also struggling with injuries.

Depends on what you mean by 442. A flat 442 with no DMs is awful because of how it easy it is to attack against formations with nobody between the lines when defending. Even if you set CMs on (D) duty they still don't control that space between midfield and defenders. If you go full out high press etc it can hide the flaws, but that's the case for any formation. 442 DMx2 is a different story, it has been an easy formation to build around for some time.

Gonna guess he gave up, have to be a masochist to enjoy route one in FM.

I think Dyche had them aim at the back post more often than not. I wouldn't bring in a long thrower just for the sole purpose of launching long throws. Burnley used it at times but it was never a huge part of their style. Nothing like it was for Pulis with Delap.

Posted it now. With Everton I would probably use an asymmetric AM+ST instead of ST+ST. If you buy some more strikers for backup then DCL+Beto can be very lethal. Two tall, strong strikers with pace is a lot to handle for defenders.

Rekindling the Clarets: A Journey to Restore Burnley's Grit and Glory Disclaimer: This will be a short term save, as you can only expect so much out of a team that will play direct football in a 442. This is my favorite type of save to do it, as I normally only play FM online where everything is about playing the meta. This is very different. I've done something similar twice before, but that was more about emulating Tony Pulis. Jean Duche will be looking for the right kind of players to gain promotion back to the premier league. The initial budget was a measly £2million, so players had to be sold fast. With the help of some intermediaries, players had to leave for their next club before the managed to get back from holiday. Tresor was on loan the previous season with obligation to buy, so Duche had no say in the matter. Tresor is a good player but as a natural attacking midfielder with no ability to play on the wing or deep midfield, he just isn't very useful to Burnley. Players like Ryan Fraser, Patrick Bamford and Kortney Hause came in to get some much needed experience in the team. Patrick Bamford unfortunately didn't come off to the best of starts as he was sidelined as quick as he entered the pitch. While it's not exactly Dyche-esque to buy players from Spain, the two young Spaniards Serrano and Azon are very similar to two former Burnley profiles, McNeil and Chris Wood. Ivan Azon in particular have very similar strengths to Chris Wood, apart from being a fair bit shorter (but comparable jumping reach). Veteran Jack Cork is still at the club and is for sure at the end of his career at 35yo, so Danish/Norwegian midfielder Clem comes in as his heir to the midfield spot. Great work rate and stamina to run up and down the pitch for 90 min week in week out. Clem will get some mentoring from Cork this season. The new recruits and a reborn Burnley are off to a flying start in the championship, undefeated after 10 games in a very competitive environment. First in the league and bottom on passes completed in the league, brilliant. In Duche's playbook, we're rocking a 4-4-2 formation. Muric is our go-to goalie, slinging those long passes like nobody's business. On the left, we've got Taylor charging up, creating chaos. On the right, it's either Johnson or Roberts doing a solid defensive hustle. In the center, Ekdal's the fancy ballplayer, doing his thing with a bit of freedom, while McNally's all about no-nonsense, keeping it tight. Serrano or Twine on the left wing are our creative sparks, allowed to roam and cause trouble. Fraser's our man on the right, sticking wide and delivering killer crosses or cheeky through balls. In the middle, Cullen holds the fort, spraying those long passes, and Clem or Brownhill covers ground like there's no tomorrow. They are told to dribble more in order to progress with the ball. Up top, Azon's our main goal-getter, or Lyle Foster with his muscle and pace. Weghorst, even with an eye on the exit, still rocks the preferred number 10 spot, giving his all. Old Jay Rodriguez will also be getting some minutes, especially with Bamford out for a long time. Our game plan? Wings are the go-to, lofting crosses, and defenders slamming those direct balls from the back. Defensively, we stay tight, and when we lose the ball, we hit that counter-press just enough to slow down the other team's hype. And yeah, we're cool with losing the ball – it's part of our wild symphony. Dyche default 442.fmf The tactic will probably change frequently, but this i the one I've used the first ten rounds.

Rekindling the Clarets: A Journey to Restore Burnley's Grit and Glory Disclaimer: This will be a short term save, as you can only expect so much out of a team that will play direct football in a 442. This is my favorite type of save to do it, as I normally only play FM online where everything is about playing the meta. This is very different. I've done something similar twice before, but that was more about emulating Tony Pulis. Step into the aftermath of a seismic shift at Turf Moor. As the 2024 season dawns, the landscape has drastically changed. Vincent Kompany's tenure, marked by an unfortunate descent into relegation from the Premier League, has come to an end. In the wake of this transformation, enter Jean Duche, the newly appointed manager and a distant relative of the revered Sean Dyche. Tasked with steering Burnley through the rough waters of the Championship, Duche is set to initiate a major rebuild. Transcending borders and drawing inspiration from the Dyche legacy, the challenge ahead is clear – restore Burnley's former "glory". Drawing inspiration from the tactical prowess of Sean Dyche, Jean Duche is set to implement a robust and disciplined playing style reminiscent of Burnley's golden era. Mirroring Dyche's renowned approach, Duche's Burnley will prioritize a solid defensive foundation, with a compact and organized backline that aims to frustrate opponents. Offensively, Duche's Burnley will look to capitalize on direct and purposeful attacks, utilizing target men up front and exploiting wide areas to deliver crosses into the box. The emphasis on team cohesion and a collective work ethic will remain pivotal, ensuring that every player contributes to the overall defensive and offensive efforts. A lesson Sean Dyche tactics at Turf Moor. There are loads of resources out there to learn about how Burnley played, but it's best to hear it from the man himself. He explains well that there are nuances to how they played, and that they played differently depending on the quality they played against. A good example of this is that they often find themself in a mid to low block, but they also like to press high directly after loosing the ball. Against certain teams that try to play out from the back, but aren't that good at it, they also press very high at times. That being said, the default is a mid/low block with players not straying too far from their position, and attacks coming in the shape of direct balls from the back or wing play. This is the team I want to use as a starting point. Pope : Launch it long and fast to start an attack Lowton: Support the winger but be wary of straying too far. Tarkowski: Freedom to keep the ball a bit and pick out a long pass. Mee: Just hoof it. Taylor: Get higher and wider than Lowton, overlap on the flank. McNeil: Drift inside or get wide, his choice. Westwood: The deeper midfielder in possession, license to make risky passes. Cork: The dynamo of the midfield, box2box/volante. Guðmundsson: Wide midfielder/winger, get wide and cross it. Barnes: The number 10. Wood: Primary goalscorer. When it comes to attributes, the CBs need to be intelligent and good in the air. The fullbacks need a good cross and work rate. The wide players need a good work rate and be decent passers, bonus if they are good 1v1. The midfield duo have to do a lot of work in defense and attack, so high work rate and should either be a deep-lying playmaker/holding midfielder or a box to box type player. The strikers have to be good in the air, but can also be fast and strong like Andre Gray. Key attributes: - Work rate - Determination - Concentration - Anticipation - Jumping reach The rebuild: As the transfer window unfolds, flashy players are making way for those who align more seamlessly with Burnley's distinctive style. Duche is currently scouting the marked for fitting players. More to follow in the next update.

Lol no. I'm sure they could make the game much more difficult if they wanted. I think most people prefer FM to be fairly easy, so why make it difficult.

Make AI managers use better tactics, improve AI transfers, improve AI morale managment, improve AI fitness managment.

You don't really have to make any major changes to make your pacy strikers work. Physical attributes are so important in a large amount of situations in FM, so if you already have a good tactic it should just become even better with good physical players. Certain team instructions like Pass Into Space would be mandatory imo, even if some claim it's situational. Maybe add take more risks to your midfielders/winger. Don't make them do direct passing, they will still pace into space even with shorter passing. When it comes to strikers with high jumping reach, I wouldn't change much just to make use of their strong points. Even if you tell your team to use low crosses, they will still put in a high cross when that's clearly the best/only option. The Gk will also use him as a long ball option at times, even if you use shorter passing.

From what you posted you seem more likely to concede 0-1 goals when having scored 3+, than conceding 2+.

100% agree. Those of us who have played for a long time are able to make sense of it, but it's horribly confusing for new or casual players. It would be much better if things like width, passing etc was always adjustable in one set spectrum.

For season two I decided to test a flat 442 with the same roles (just switched volante for b2b). Upped the def line to compact the space more, making up for the lack of DMs. I ended up being relegated and sacked. The difference in results is rather staggering considering how similar the tactics are. Results:

I'm rekindling this thread, we pulisball lovers need a thread to call home. I've used the editor to quickly test the state of pulisball in FM24, I welcome others to do the same! - Took charge of Bournemouth - Used the editor to transfer in players that suited the style I wanted - Used the editor to maximize tactical familiarity, and to remove injures from key players. - Holiday mode for 1-2 months, quickly reviewed some matches, holiday again etc. Tactic: - Structured tactic with clear roles, attackers attack, defenders defend. - Wingers and forwards have adjusted passing one notch down (making it slightly more direct or standard?) - Fullbacks told to cross from deep, CBs clear it long, GK aim for the TF. - Volante role to get a player closer to our TF, for winning second balls. - Narrow width to win more second balls. - High line mid block on defensive mentality to be narrow and compact in defense. - Low pressing to maintain shape. - Long throws and first post corners. - CBs press more to attempt to close down long shots. Stats and screenshots: Average possession: 37% Pass completion: 79% (second lowest) Headers won ratio: 53% (second highest) Goals from corners: 10 (4th highest) Crosses completed: 174 (second) Clearances: 696 (7th highest) Interceptions: 844 (4th highest) Blocks: 201 (7th highest) Observations: - GK routinely launch the ball to our TF as instructed when taking a goal kick, however, when he kicks it as a part of open play he often kicks it to our small wingers for some reason. - Long throws work and results in goals/dangerous situations. I don't know of any stat to confirm this. - NFB almost never cross the ball. Diakite played 40 games, completed 6 crosses (12%). Which means that he attempted 50 crosses, and that means he attempted 1.25 crosses per game!!! This seems insanely low with deep crosses and Much more direct passing. - Our FB (d) in comparison attempted 3.10 crosses per game. - Lofted crosses seems to work as expected when observing, our TF is getting lots of high crosses towards him from our wingers.

I haven't tried playing much route one in FM24, but I miss one thing that I've never seen in FM to the degree I want. When using GK to distribute it to a target forward with long kicks, I expect this to happen: The whole team goes really narrow and surround the TF (Kenwyne Jones) as they get ready for Begovic to hoof it. In FM the GK barely even gets the ball anywhere near the TF most of the time, and players aren't ready to jump on the second ball.

Have you tried including take more risk, deep crossing, cross more etc on them?