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    Visit forum.turksportal.net for Turkish research

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    VfB TT Defects
  1. Being a citizen, having eligibility to play in the national team and whether the player is counted as a domestic player in Turkey are not mutually exclusive. For a player to be counted as a domestic player: He has to be eligible for the Turkish national team If he has represented another nation at international level, he must have had his debut prior to 1/6/2015 So for example Mesut Ozil, who debuted for Germany in 2009, can play in Turkey as a domestic player But Emre Can, who debuted for Germany in September 2015, can not play in Turkey as a domestic player If he is naturalized, he's eligible to be counted as a domestic player only after he makes his debut for the Turkish national team For example: Fernando Muslera has been playing in Turkey since 2011 and if he wanted, he is eligible to become a Turkish citizen for having lived in Turkey for 5 years. However he has played for Uruguay at national team level and so he's not eligible to ever play for Turkey. As such, he will never count as a domestic player in Turkey even if he acquires Turkish citizenship. In the game, we ensure this by making sure Muslera never takes up Turkish citizenship. In the case of Ofoedu, even if he would be eligible for the Turkish national team by becoming a naturalized citizen, he probably lacks the quality to play for the Turkish national team and wouldn't count as a domestic player until he played for Turkey. So in the game, he never gets Turkish nationality to ensure that he doesn't get to play as a domestic player. If he was of sufficient quality to be a good player for the Turkish national team, the game would award him the citizenship once he fulfilled his eligibility requirements. Aurelio, Tita, Wederson and Nobre received their citizenship before these new rules were introduced so they have not lost the rights they possessed when the domestic player rules were introduced. However examples like these are no longer possible under the current domestic player rules.
  2. [Turkey] (Official) Data Issues

    All we can do is get the clubs in the right divisions. This division is beyond our scope due to the massive amount of work necessary to maintain these clubs.
  3. [Turkey] (Official) Data Issues

    His situation is not very straightforward. From what we can gather, he has represented Brazil U23 in a competitive match, which would make him ineligible for the Turkish national team as per FIFA rules.
  4. [Turkey] (Official) League Specific Issues

    It is a permanent deal because A. Selcukspor is actually owned by Konyaspor, as my Konyaspor researcher informs me. So it's similar to taking control of Barcelona B. But since the Turkish FA rules prevent squad changes outside of the transfer window, regardless of affiliation, player moves between the two clubs are allowed only during transfer windows.
  5. [Turkey] (Official) League Specific Issues

    Right! Thanks Olly. @freakywarlock I'll have to re-check with my AR how organic the tie is between the clubs currently. In the past we had 1461 Trabzon who couldn't be promoted to the top division because they are owned by Trabzonspor. I can't recall if it's the same case with Konyaspor and A. Selcukspor but given this is how we have it set up in the db I assume they are under one roof (so they are essentially a B team of Konyaspor) and the FA won't get A. Selcukspor get promoted to the top division as long as Konyaspor are there.
  6. [Turkey] (Official) League Specific Issues

    Hmm.. This is strange and shouldn't happen. Do you have a save game before the league reset into the new season? If so, I would suggest reporting this as a bug in the bugs forum.
  7. [Turkey] (Official) League Specific Issues

    This is how TV money is distributed. There is an upfront payment at the start of the season. Some of the money is distributed based on match performance (full share for a win, half share for a draw). Some money distributed based on finishing position. And some money distributed based on previous league titles won.
  8. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Just to clarify. I don't believe there is a correlation between developing relatively later (developing after mid 20s) and potential. In my experience late bloomers are those that didn't stand out in their early 20s because they did not have any discernible quality like speed which has immediate value to the senior club. Relatively late bloomers tend to be players who require a strong knowledge of the game to be effective. They know how to position themselves well or they can anticipate situations better or they can make quick and correct decisions. One good example I can think of right now is Jason Denayer. His main asset at this point is his great speed and well above average ability with the ball as a centre back. These qualities make him valuable despite his many shortcomings in reading the game and decision making. He needs to improve his game mentally in order to go up one notch but since his speed bails him out of many situations, his mental development in football seems quite slow. He's making the same positioning mistakes as he did 2 years ago, albeit not as frequently. Take another central defender who doesn't have as much speed as Denayer, naturally he has lower CA and he hasn't attracted the interest of bigger clubs. This guy has to learn how to position himself better because he doesn't have the speed to bail him out. If he does have the mental capacity (football intelligence) and drive to improve the mental aspect of his game, it's entirely possible for him to catch up or get past Jason Denayer as these players get into their late 20s. Theo Walcott is another good example in my opinion. He burst into the scene at a very young age with his blistering speed, this made a lot of people think he had loads of potential because he was so effective at such a young age but Walcott never really reached the levels expected of him. Henrik Mkhitaryan is the same age as Walcott. He was playing for Pyunik Erevan when Walcott first came into the scene at Arsenal. While Walcott's game continued to rely on pace as he aged, Mkhitaryan never had blistering pace like Walcott so he had to develop his reading of the game. Eventually Mkhitaryan overtook Walcott who had peaked by the time he was in his early 20s. As researchers, we need to do a better job of identifying players like Mkhitaryan. Players like Theo Walcott are in our face at a very early age so there is no mistaking them. But players like Mkhitaryan can be missed because they start out with a relatively lower CA than players like Walcott but may still have the potential to overtake.
  9. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Of course you consider limits. But these are technical, mental and physical limits. Not the player's dedication. And if no one could have predicted this player's development, then so be it. The database is a snapshot at a moment in time to reflect the researchers' opinions on players. I would much rather have a newgen created to make up for a high potential player that I missed than the game randomly making a real player have potential when he shouldn't.
  10. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Once again. You are basically saying that you want the game to bail you out of a choice you made which you later realized wasn't a good choice? If you thought the player had the talent to play in Serie A, you should have given him a PA that matched with that. You don't have to reduce a player's potential because he's a poor professional and probably won't develop. You're ruining the player twice (once with low PA, second time with poor mental traits) by doing this. If you didn't think the player had the talent to play in Serie A and made an error in rating the player's potential, the game already makes up for researcher underrating of potential by creating newgens when, necessary, in order to keep the game balanced and close to the starting database. So if it's not player X that makes it, then it's newgen Y. As for the game adjusting the PA of a player upwards, I certainly wouldn't want the game to make a player that I am quite sure to not have much potential get bumped up. If I thought he had the potential, I would have given it to him. I also really think you should forget about your experiences in the past 20 years and see what happens in FM 2018 first. Especially with respect to players with potential that you think won't develop due to their mental traits. The player progression gets tweaked every year.
  11. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    I urge you to forget about CA and examine how players with very strong mental attributes perform in the game. I'm sure you'll see a huge difference.
  12. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    You're confusing CA with performance. CA is not performance. CA is not much more than a way of quantifying the level of club for which the player is suitable. It's the player's attributes (including those that are not tied to CA) that define his performance.
  13. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    I am not sure what your definition of young is here. Studies I have seen on footballer performance suggest that they reach their peak level by about age 24 which they retain or get only very slightly better until their late 20s and then start to decline. The rate of decline for the athlete is correlated with how much the athlete depends on his physical attributes for performance. Those who rely more on physical ability suffer a much sharper decline while those who rely more on technical and mental aspects of the game decline much slower. Examining our ratings of CA going several years back, I found that our ratings of match up quite well with these studies above as players only see 2-3 point CA improvements after age 24, on average. So it's quite clear, at least to me, that there is a point at which players stop improving their CA and it happens relatively early in a player's career. These are averages and there are of course exceptions where players reach their peak earlier or later. But this doesn't mean the player stops developing. As he gains experience, his mental attributes can improve while his physical attributes start to decline. This turns the player into a more well rounded player who substitutes energy with skill/know how. Even if CA doesn't increase, it's certainly possible for a player to become better at performing his role on the pitch.
  14. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    A player moving to a big club in real life signals he may have a higher potential than researchers initially thought, so the estimate may be revised. A player with a sufficiently low PA will not get shortlisted by a big club and not bought by said big club in the game because the player will be deemed not to have enough potential. If the game starts to increase the potentials of players transferred by big clubs, what is to stop a 50 PA player from being bought for pennies by Real Madrid and then have his PA boosted as a result? Clubs don't have a magic potion to improve players' potential. They look to help players realize their potential.
  15. Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    A player's potential doesn't improve because he moves to a bigger club, a player transfers to a bigger club because he has potential.